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Off-Topic Discussion  » "Swatting" becoming a real problem. 400 cases per year, one of which was featured on ABC tonight.

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  jircris

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8/29/14 1:44:37 AM#21
The fact that "Gamers" have to resort to this kind of stupidity is saddening. My friend had this happen to him because he beat some little prick on CoD a few months ago. Its nothing new sadly but it is within the past 4 years. So newish i guess you could say, its usually done by those who are to lazy or un skileld to better them self in a game so they remove the competition all togeather. I honestly think this should be 20+ years in jail for it seeing how your abusing the 911 system and tax dollars not to mention the risk invovled.
  syntax42

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8/29/14 1:47:44 AM#22
Originally posted by Saur0n
Plus, it's not like a false raid is costing more tax dollars than swat teams buying military surplus that they don't need without telling anyone...

This makes you sound as if you have no idea what you are talking about.  They don't get to just spend money on a whim.  It isn't like they say, "No swat calls today so I'll go out and buy a bunch of guns."  They have a budget and the department head usually makes the decisions on how to spend that budget.  

The only part about government budgeting that I don't agree with is that if you don't spend all of your budget, they take some away next year.  This only encourages spending to the limit of the budget to ensure your budget doesn't shrink.  It is likely that at the end of the fiscal year they decided to spend their excess on some things they felt were needing to be replaced or upgraded.

 

The real cost here is that the police could be doing something better than responding to fake calls.  They get paid if they sit in the office, their car, or if they go out on a call.  The gas money to transport them is usually negligible.

  Saur0n

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8/29/14 1:54:59 AM#23
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Saur0n
Plus, it's not like a false raid is costing more tax dollars than swat teams buying military surplus that they don't need without telling anyone...

This makes you sound as if you have no idea what you are talking about.  They don't get to just spend money on a whim.  It isn't like they say, "No swat calls today so I'll go out and buy a bunch of guns."  They have a budget and the department head usually makes the decisions on how to spend that budget.  

The only part about government budgeting that I don't agree with is that if you don't spend all of your budget, they take some away next year.  This only encourages spending to the limit of the budget to ensure your budget doesn't shrink.  It is likely that at the end of the fiscal year they decided to spend their excess on some things they felt were needing to be replaced or upgraded.

 

The real cost here is that the police could be doing something better than responding to fake calls.  They get paid if they sit in the office, their car, or if they go out on a call.  The gas money to transport them is usually negligible.

Yeah and I'm sure we can all trust those department heads to be honest... And why would they need to replace or upgrade to assault vehicles and M4s to do police work?  

  syntax42

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8/29/14 3:08:14 AM#24
Originally posted by Saur0n
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by Saur0n
Plus, it's not like a false raid is costing more tax dollars than swat teams buying military surplus that they don't need without telling anyone...

This makes you sound as if you have no idea what you are talking about.  They don't get to just spend money on a whim.  It isn't like they say, "No swat calls today so I'll go out and buy a bunch of guns."  They have a budget and the department head usually makes the decisions on how to spend that budget.  

The only part about government budgeting that I don't agree with is that if you don't spend all of your budget, they take some away next year.  This only encourages spending to the limit of the budget to ensure your budget doesn't shrink.  It is likely that at the end of the fiscal year they decided to spend their excess on some things they felt were needing to be replaced or upgraded.

 

The real cost here is that the police could be doing something better than responding to fake calls.  They get paid if they sit in the office, their car, or if they go out on a call.  The gas money to transport them is usually negligible.

Yeah and I'm sure we can all trust those department heads to be honest... And why would they need to replace or upgrade to assault vehicles and M4s to do police work?  

You seem to think they have the ability to abuse their position and spend money on whatever they want without getting caught.  The entire government is full of oversight on top of oversight.  It is very difficult to get away with abusing government money for very long.  Someone will notice if money isn't matching up to what was reported by someone.  The bigger the loss, the more the media tends to sensationalize it.

Governments are not perfect, but you seem to lack any sort of faith in them.  Go work in a government position before trying to declare the system is as corrupt as you seem to think it is.  The forms and reporting required cause more of a loss though decreased productivity than corruption loss.  

If you are citing a specific incident, you forgot to cite your source.  

  Ghavrigg

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8/29/14 3:14:56 AM#25

To be honest, people who would "prank" others like this are better off dead. They're nothing but a drain on society. And they find it funny.

 

  i_own_u

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"If at first you dont succeed. Then skydiving isn't for you."

 
OP  8/29/14 1:52:37 PM#26

One other thing I have noticed is the way the "streamers" are handling getting "Swatted." They are sensationalizing it...making it into a reality drama type thing. 

They use it to get more viewers...and this last guy got lucky enough to get interviewed on NATIONAL TV! I wouldn't be surprised if they were swatting themselves on purpose to be honest...not saying they all do, but I wouldn't put it past some people.

  SEANMCAD

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8/29/14 2:09:42 PM#27

although not swatting some of this stuff emboldens the very thing the trolls are angry about.

In no ways will death threats and posting home addresses help any objective other than those who you are enraged toward.

Trolls of Anita Sarkeesian pretty much do nothing other than to validate her points and make her voice more prominent

Correlation does not imply causation

  Betaguy

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Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

8/29/14 2:10:25 PM#28
Should be able to go all Jay and Silent Bob on these types of IRL trolls.

  Puska

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8/29/14 2:20:03 PM#29
'murica...enough said.
  Four0Six

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8/29/14 2:23:57 PM#30
Originally posted by i_own_u

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-captures-colorado-cops-swarming-swatting-prank/story?id=25158294

The fact even that it is called "Swatting" and has a slang term makes me sick.

Thousands of tax dollars are spent per call...

People expect gamers to be taken seriously and then pull this crap? 

 

/end rant

 

I don't take gamers seriously because some of them JUSTIFY poor police behavior. Or do you actually think it is OK for cops to just charge in all LEROY JENKINS every time someone yells "shots fired!"? Seriously we expect more out of NEWB tanks.

 

/end rant

  SEANMCAD

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8/29/14 2:28:08 PM#31
Thing is some of these tactics are going to call great attention from Homeland Security and it is actually plausible one could find themselves at Guantanamo Bay 

Correlation does not imply causation

  i_own_u

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"If at first you dont succeed. Then skydiving isn't for you."

 
OP  8/29/14 2:34:41 PM#32
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by i_own_u

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-captures-colorado-cops-swarming-swatting-prank/story?id=25158294

The fact even that it is called "Swatting" and has a slang term makes me sick.

Thousands of tax dollars are spent per call...

People expect gamers to be taken seriously and then pull this crap? 

 

/end rant

 

I don't take gamers seriously because some of them JUSTIFY poor police behavior. Or do you actually think it is OK for cops to just charge in all LEROY JENKINS every time someone yells "shots fired!"? Seriously we expect more out of NEWB tanks.

 

/end rant

This particular case was at a school that was evacuated (It might have been already empty) before the streamer knew about it from what I understand. Typically, (someone correct me if I am wrong) cops wouldn't just charge in Gung-Ho with innocent civilians still inside. 

  Hariken

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8/29/14 2:47:24 PM#33
Remind me again why i want to play online games with these other online morons. I hope they go after these punks hard. Sending real police after people for killing you in an online game. God the internet is so full of morons thats its getting to the point where i don't want to play any online games. Its one of the reasons why mmo's are so sucky to many people these days.
  Kaneth

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Posts: 1594

8/29/14 2:48:12 PM#34
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by i_own_u

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-captures-colorado-cops-swarming-swatting-prank/story?id=25158294

The fact even that it is called "Swatting" and has a slang term makes me sick.

Thousands of tax dollars are spent per call...

People expect gamers to be taken seriously and then pull this crap? 

 

/end rant

 

I don't take gamers seriously because some of them JUSTIFY poor police behavior. Or do you actually think it is OK for cops to just charge in all LEROY JENKINS every time someone yells "shots fired!"? Seriously we expect more out of NEWB tanks.

 

/end rant

Ok, so what do you want them to do when they receive a shots fired call? Send a singular officer over to check to make sure it's not a prank? Potentially endangering the lives of everyone involved. The police cannot assume that a shots fired call is ever a joke. 

The cops can do no right, and that's the big problem. If they charge in "leeroy jenkins" as you put it for a prank call, they are idiots. If they send one unit over the check things out and it turns out to be real and people die, then they are idiots again.

It's not the police response that is the problem here, it's the fact that PRANKING A SHOTS FIRED CALL has become something that is done on a seemingly regular basis. One of these times someone is going to be killed, and the originator of the call should be put up for murder charges.

  i_own_u

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"If at first you dont succeed. Then skydiving isn't for you."

 
OP  8/29/14 2:54:22 PM#35
Originally posted by Hariken
Remind me again why i want to play online games with these other online morons. I hope they go after these punks hard. Sending real police after people for killing you in an online game. God the internet is so full of morons thats its getting to the point where i don't want to play any online games. Its one of the reasons why mmo's are so sucky to many people these days.

I would look at in a different perspective...

 

There have always been morons in the world...the internet just helps make them more readily available :P

  DamonVile

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8/29/14 3:18:41 PM#36
Originally posted by Hariken
Remind me again why i want to play online games with these other online morons. I hope they go after these punks hard. Sending real police after people for killing you in an online game. God the internet is so full of morons thats its getting to the point where i don't want to play any online games. Its one of the reasons why mmo's are so sucky to many people these days.

In real life those same morons don't have easily identifiable names like imwithurmom or ipwnu. So at least on here we have a self labeling system.

There's a saying about evolution and why we have two eyes and two ears but only one mouth. Clearly it didn't see the internet coming or it never would have given us ten fingers to type with.

  DocBrody

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8/29/14 3:53:06 PM#37
Originally posted by Ariel_Arilon

Since I don't own a TV,

you Sir have my deepest respect and admiration for not owning that lying brainwashing machine.

Welcome to the club of Anti-TV mainstream smashers

  i_own_u

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"If at first you dont succeed. Then skydiving isn't for you."

 
OP  8/29/14 4:38:54 PM#38
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Hariken
Remind me again why i want to play online games with these other online morons. I hope they go after these punks hard. Sending real police after people for killing you in an online game. God the internet is so full of morons thats its getting to the point where i don't want to play any online games. Its one of the reasons why mmo's are so sucky to many people these days.

In real life those same morons don't have easily identifiable names like imwithurmom or ipwnu. So at least on here we have a self labeling system.

Whoa man, not all of us with names like that are bad! I'm just an owning machine, what can I say?

I kid :P

  rojoArcueid

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8/29/14 4:51:33 PM#39
Originally posted by i_own_u
Originally posted by DamonVile
I think internet " pranks" in general that end up involving cops/FBI or whatever need to be dealt with more harshly. It's starting to become far to common and seriously these people have better things to do than figure out who's dumbass kid thinks it's funny to be a pest.

Apparently you can "face up to 5 years in prison." To be honest, I don't know if that's a harsh enough punishment.

This is taking officers potentially away from legitimate crime scenes to deal with this bullshit. 

raise it to 10 years and you will see how those pranks will stop.

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  Fdzzaigl

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8/29/14 5:02:32 PM#40

One of the situations where having a huge chunk of bureaucracy between you and and any special assist team is a good thing.

I'm pretty sure that if you even tried to do this in Belgium the most you'd be able to get out of the cops would be some local dudes with small arms coming to check it out. After that you could be the happy guy who gets the chance  to go and explain the prank in front of a judge.

Originally posted by DocBrody

you Sir have my deepest respect and admiration for not owning that lying brainwashing machine.

Welcome to the club of Anti-TV mainstream smashers

I like some of the authentic channels that remain. But for the most part I don't see the point of a television either. You can get all the news stories much faster through your computer anyhow. Well, actually radio still seems to beat it sometimes, but I spend a lot of time in my car anyhow.

Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

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