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  MyownGod

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8/27/14 1:08:24 AM#21
All I can say is this guy is very down to earth it seems.
  Hokie

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8/27/14 1:42:48 AM#22
Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by waxmask
You can give any reason. Even excusing beforehand for the comming cliche. Still sounds alot like "Take tha moneh and run!" 

It's astonishing someone would even think, let alone say, such a thing. After your first close call health-wise (and it'll happen sooner or later), you'll rethink that callousness.

As a cancer survivor myself, all I can say is, "Godspeed, Mr. Gaffney. Congrats on taking time for what truly matters in this life."

 

I dont know Suzie I dont think waxmask is being callous.

Jeremys statements actually came off as very dickish to me. He even says hes going to make it personal (well just a little personal) to others in the industry, or for that matter to anyone in any high-stress job, who've stepped down because of health reasons, or personal and or family issues, and then more or less calls them "pussys" for stepping down for those reasons.

And then he goes and does what I feel like is scoreboarding his tragedies. I truly am happy he is a cancer survivor and Im sorry for his losses. Im one of these people who doesnt have any real animosity or ill will towards others.

But he comes off as very condescending and unsympathetic to others who have had to step down for whatever reasons. Which Im sure more than some are legitimate "Ive forgot I had a family because my life became about nothing but work." I know because Ive seen it happen to someone close.

So in retrospect I suggest you reread what you quote-boxed and see if maybe what waxmask said isnt meant to be callous, but maybe more inline with the image that Jeremy presented himself as. As some who has to justify and validate his leaving.

 

Maybe Im being overly sensitive I dont know. But Ive seen firsthand that sometimes people realize too late that family is the most important thing. And I think some people here are smart enough to know what that means, and I dont need to scoreboard. So really in retro-spec, fuck that guy.

"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  redcore

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8/27/14 2:56:29 AM#23

i am not buying this...cancer is not the reason for stepping down.

cancer WOULD be the reason if he would NOT ignore it for 9 months - (facepalm).

the reason is something else. i still wish him all the best.

  Shodanas

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8/27/14 3:01:58 AM#24

I hope that everything goes well for him. Cancer is nothing to fool around with. 

 

As for people claiming that he was forced to step down, we have no means to know this and personally i do not believe so. However, i do believe that NCsoft will step in and take charge of everything Wildstar related. They pushed a lot of money into this project and they won't let it crash and burn.

 
  Xarko

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8/27/14 3:05:03 AM#25
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by DMKano

IMO there's a lot more to this than medical reasons.

My opinion below:

If WS was doing great financially and grown the playerbase - he wouldn't be stepping down, as I don't think that this is his decision.

The real story is that the game underperformed, NCSoft execs didn't give him much choice but let him "step down" , which as a president means - getting canned.

Again just my opinion.

 

I understand that's your opinion, but why not just accept what he said at face value? 

Because I am not buying it - my spidey sense is tingling and it's just not adding up. Am I not allowed to have a different opinion?

Also read this "In my case, it is part of my reason for stepping down"

So - he admits that family/health is a part of the reason - it's not THE reason, which again is exactly what he hints in the sentence previous to it - he was given a nudge by the execs.

 

Just stop and think that it is indeed possible that his physical health and life decisions have nothing to do with the health of WS.

It's entirely possible - which is why I said it's my opinion.

  There is a time to constantly state negative theories  about a game, and there is a time to just STFU and wish someone well.

Where did I say that I don't wish him well? You're putting words in my mouth.

I wish him all the best and I hope that nobody has to suffer the misfortune that he and his family is going through.

My theory is not negative - if you see it that way - that is YOUR judgement and your label.

Execs firing presidents due to poor performance happens all the time - it's not negative - it's reality. Big business is ruthless, especially when there's millions of dollars involved.

 

 

 

 

Word.

 

  PioneerStew

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8/27/14 3:12:47 AM#26
Originally posted by Shodanas

I hope that everything goes well for him. Cancer is nothing to fool around with. 

 

As for people claiming that he was forced to step down, we have no means to know this and personally i do not believe so. However, i do believe that NCsoft will step in and take charge of everything Wildstar related. They pushed a lot of money into this project and they won't let it crash and burn.

 

I don't believe he was forced to step down.  I believe that NCSoft or elements within Carbine probably made it clear that a change in direction is necessary, and given that he has been the driving force behind the development to date, his position might prove untenable, or at least unpleasant to stomach.  Or maybe he realised this himself.  

All of his note (apart from the health/ family issues) alludes to this.   

 

  Raagnarz

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8/27/14 3:28:38 AM#27
First and foremost I wish the guy nothing but a speedy recovery, and a clean future free on whatever cancer he had. Its nothing to joke about or make snide comment about. That being said I am sure plenty will try to spin this to make it about Wildstar's utter failure as a game currently. Others I am sure will make it about P2P and F2P.  I do think he wants to spend more time with his family, I however do not think his position change was entirely his choice. Gievn the failure to gain and retain an audience, I am sure Carbine and more importantly NCsoft are looking to make a change like yesterday. Since he was in change, I was waiting for some heads to roll figuratively. Now he might well have stepped down on his own, and I'm sure they're happy to take the game in a new direction. Either way I wish him the best of health.
  jesteralways

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8/27/14 3:34:50 AM#28
Originally posted by waxmask
You can give any reason. Even excusing beforehand for the comming cliche. Still sounds alot like "Take tha moneh and run!" 

I am not a wildstar lover or carbine lover, i pretty much don't like the idea of the game. but i have to say something about what you said about the guy's departure :-  your comment is disgusting.

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Iceman8235

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8/27/14 3:48:41 AM#29
Good luck to him and I'm glad his priorities are in the right places.  Hopefully Carbine can look out for him like he did for them and put him in a spot where he can keep the focus on his family where it belongs and still have a career.
  WarWitch

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8/27/14 4:11:12 AM#30

"All we have to choose is how we spend the time we have"

I wish you and your family all the best.

 

  ste2000

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8/27/14 4:34:12 AM#31

Once again we see the most ruthless MMO publisher in action.

Closing Tabula Rasa after just few months and firing Garriot in the process, without giving him the chance to turn things around.

Then they shut City of Heroes uncerimoniously, though it wasn't as popular as it used to be, it had a strong core fanbase.

Now this.

NCSoft doesn't take failure gracefully, that's for sure.

  BlackWatch

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8/27/14 4:49:37 AM#32

TBH, Good luck to the man.  i wish him good health and good luck in whatever he wishes to do.

I'm not a fanboy, but in all fairness...  internet anonymity isn't an excuse to be heartless asshats.  

 

 

  Gdemami

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8/27/14 4:54:01 AM#33


Originally posted by Hokie

I dont know Suzie I dont think waxmask is being callous.

Jeremys statements actually came off as very dickish to me. He even says hes going to make it personal (well just a little personal) to others in the industry, or for that matter to anyone in any high-stress job, who've stepped down because of health reasons, or personal and or family issues, and then more or less calls them "pussys" for stepping down for those reasons.

And then he goes and does what I feel like is scoreboarding his tragedies. I truly am happy he is a cancer survivor and Im sorry for his losses. Im one of these people who doesnt have any real animosity or ill will towards others.

But he comes off as very condescending and unsympathetic to others who have had to step down for whatever reasons. Which Im sure more than some are legitimate "Ive forgot I had a family because my life became about nothing but work." I know because Ive seen it happen to someone close.

So in retrospect I suggest you reread what you quote-boxed and see if maybe what waxmask said isnt meant to be callous, but maybe more inline with the image that Jeremy presented himself as. As some who has to justify and validate his leaving.

 

Maybe Im being overly sensitive I dont know. But Ive seen firsthand that sometimes people realize too late that family is the most important thing. And I think some people here are smart enough to know what that means, and I dont need to scoreboard. So really in retro-spec, fuck that guy.



It is hypocritical to criticize him for past comments and then making exactly same comments about him.

While one can agree that his previous comments on other executive step downs are unkind or even ill will, saying "in retro-spec, fuck that guy" or "Still sounds alot like "Take tha moneh and run!" is equally ill will.

There is a lesson to be learned for Jeremy Gaffney and the posters here - do not judge others when you do not know how it is to be in their shoes. And the truth is, you do not know the truth so one should be very careful with their judgements.


  Nitth

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8/27/14 5:17:33 AM#34


Originally posted by BlackWatch
TBH, Good luck to the man.  i wish him good health and good luck in whatever he wishes to do.

I'm not a fanboy, but in all fairness...  internet anonymity isn't an excuse to be heartless asshats.  
 


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  delta9

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8/27/14 6:09:54 AM#35

While his health is obviously more important than any pixels on a screen, the message seems to gloss over any real reason as to why he left and just gives a partial reason - no doubt as his words are well managed by the company behind him - so he will say the company is great even if he doesnt think it is,

It is a dark partial reason for leaving but it doesnt give actually any greater insight than the standard "its for my family" that other "big names in the industry" give

  GoldenArrow

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8/27/14 6:24:13 AM#36

Doesn't bode well for Wildstar.

First developer leaking that their monthly updates were a scam and now Gaffney stepping down for personal reasons.

Good news is that Blade and Soul might be getting more real.

  Betaguy

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8/27/14 6:37:22 AM#37
Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by waxmask
You can give any reason. Even excusing beforehand for the comming cliche. Still sounds alot like "Take tha moneh and run!" 

It's astonishing someone would even think, let alone say, such a thing. After your first close call health-wise (and it'll happen sooner or later), you'll rethink that callousness.

As a cancer survivor myself, all I can say is, "Godspeed, Mr. Gaffney. Congrats on taking time for what truly matters in this life."

 

The majority of the human race are just not good people when you combine anonymity + Keyboard = internet badguy/girl. To avoid negative trolls with malicious comment's it might be best to frequent a cancer type forum with more likeminded folks. My 5 Canadian cents.

  Siphaed

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8/27/14 7:28:45 AM#38
Originally posted by delta9

While his health is obviously more important than any pixels on a screen, the message seems to gloss over any real reason as to why he left and just gives a partial reason - no doubt as his words are well managed by the company behind him - so he will say the company is great even if he doesnt think it is,

It is a dark partial reason for leaving but it doesnt give actually any greater insight than the standard "its for my family" that other "big names in the industry" give

Did you not read the article or the post linked?  Him and his wife had 6 deaths in their family in 2013; that's insanely depressing as it.  He also had skin cancer  that was not benign and had to go through surgery to get it removed.   During this entire time he put the work on Wildstar above everything else and helped push the game through to launch.   He's not leaving the company, so he wasn't fired.  He's changing his position so that the work is lighter and the stress is far less (which is definitely good and usually recommended by doctors after surgery for cancer).

 

The comment towards others in the Industry that give the excuse "focusing on family" is a blanket term that others have used in the past without any explanation at all.  They don't go into detail and just leave it at that without saying it's medical, without saying it's anything... and yes, it's usually because they got fired (thus they can now focus all their time with their families).   They also leave their company entirely, which cements that they were fired.  This is not the case for Mr. Gaffney, who's still going to be working on Wildstar with Carbine, just in a less major role.

 

 

Conspiracy theorists and anonymous internet trolls be damned to hell for saying that this guy is covering up, didn't have cancer, and was fired by NCSoft.  You trolls are so full of bullshit that they can smell it on the International Spacestation.

  psychobgr

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8/27/14 7:33:09 AM#39
Originally posted by SBFord
Originally posted by waxmask
You can give any reason. Even excusing beforehand for the comming cliche. Still sounds alot like "Take tha moneh and run!" 

It's astonishing someone would even think, let alone say, such a thing. After your first close call health-wise (and it'll happen sooner or later), you'll rethink that callousness.

As a cancer survivor myself, all I can say is, "Godspeed, Mr. Gaffney. Congrats on taking time for what truly matters in this life."

 

could'nt agree more cancer is an awful thing to have or people you know who have it hopefully we are closer to a cure.

  BarCrow

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8/27/14 7:35:20 AM#40
Originally posted by Wighty
I can swear I saw Stephen Frost as a barista in Starbucks.

The comedian?

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