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  LovrNoFightr

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OP  8/26/14 2:37:09 AM#1

Some people think that grinding equals fun. Doing the same things over and over again.

Why is that?

I'm very happy to see that many MMOs allow us to buy things instead of grinding for them. IMO everything in a game should be able for purchasing. Equipment, races, levels and what have you.

 

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  PioneerStew

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8/26/14 2:39:14 AM#2
Originally posted by LovrNoFightr

Some people think that grinding equals fun. Doing the same things over and over again.

Why is that?

I'm very happy to see that many MMOs allow us to buy things instead of grinding for them. IMO everything in a game should be able for purchasing. Equipment, races, levels and what have you.

 

To each their own.  

  Cod_Eye

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8/26/14 2:48:16 AM#3
Depends on how its implimented, GW2 grind no, FFXI (vanilla) grind yes.
  emperorwings

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8/26/14 2:51:08 AM#4
It's just to see a number going up so you can get stuff to see bigger numbers going up.

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  Ergload

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8/26/14 2:54:54 AM#5

I know a handful of people with diagnosed autism who enjoy grinding for hours in an MMO. The repetition is calming to them, or something. Not saying that all people who enjoy grinding have autism, but it exists.

 

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-11/15/gamers-with-autism


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  An4thor

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8/26/14 2:56:22 AM#6
There are different types of grind. Betwen a very long grind with no limits and a very short grind with limits (with equal rewards) i prefer the latter. I don't mind grinding; but time is money. Do i find it fun? Depends, if i play my favourite music in the backgroud i don't even notice what i'm doing after a while.
  PioneerStew

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8/26/14 2:58:39 AM#7
Originally posted by An4thor
There are different types of grind. Betwen a very long grind with no limits and a very short grind with limits (with equal rewards) i prefer the latter. I don't mind grinding; but time is money. Do i find it fun? Depends, if i play my favourite music in the backgroud i don't even notice what i'm doing after a while.

A little Barry Manilow does make the grind pass more quickly.  

  asrlohz

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8/26/14 3:07:55 AM#8

Personally I can enjoy grinding assuming that the process is at least somewhat entertaining. Like farming ores in WoW when i played it was something I enjoyed because even if I was just following a pattern I still had the added risk of getting ganked or attacked.

Then I went to the AH and sold said ore and made fairly nice profits. I also remember when my mate joined me for a run and immediately after crashed the market by selling all his ores for 20% of the market price.

 

But it really comes down to the fact that grinding is supposed to be boring. It mirrors a long day at work. You feel really accomplished when you've reached your next milestone even if it was boring as balls to do so. Now you can be the one in full PvP armour that wrecks everyone.

And I can see how that loses its appeal once you actually get a job and would prefer if you could just buy everything you needed to do the fun parts of the game. But in that case you should be playing single player games since that'll be a lot cheaper.

  immodium

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8/26/14 3:08:04 AM#9

Depends on the mechanics within the game. Games with a rich character building/crafting mechanic I can grind all day. SWG Springs to mind. :)

In MMORPGs with shallow crafting/character building grinding just isn't fun.

 

I can grind PvP all day however. Not just in video games, chess, monopoly. Heck any game when it comes to PvP.

  docminus2

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8/26/14 3:17:59 AM#10

I dislike grinding - maybe mats grinding for 20 mins or so I have the nerve, but no more.

BUT: if I am in a group and xp-kill mobs, then I don't mind so much. But not for multiple hours. Problem in most MMOs today - there are no groups anymore unless you have a RL-friend or a very very good (and large sized) guild with people on all levels.

People who talk nostalgically about grinding I believe the problem is just that - it's nostalgia. SWG, EQ... It's been 10 years ago or so and those peeps are all older and have a different life now and couldn't do it as in the past. Ok, maybe I should state this different - at least it is for me that way. Grind in SWG - yes, great! (then). Could I do it now? I doubt it.

  waveslayer

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8/26/14 3:48:28 AM#11

originally while grinding a camp of mobs you talked with the ppl in your group whom you got to know somewhat, plus it was a means to an end, which is much more satisfying then what happened the other day, LFD interface popped while I was fighting a mob so it was a few seconds till I could accept, group had allready started, they where so geared they never stopped just kept going AoEing I never caught up and did anything, no one ever spoke a word. IMO that is not what playing MMoRPGs is about, but thats what they have become, becuase there is no grind anymore at all.

Grind has become a miss used word, now having to do anything at all is a grind, why do you ppl even play this genre?

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  Ergload

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8/26/14 4:00:36 AM#12

I like "grinding" in Minecraft, because I don't really know / feel I'm grinding.

Sure, I'm grinding for wood, cobblestone, coal so I can grind for iron, diamond, nether quartz, and so on. But along the way I'm using these materials to build stuff in my own little sandbox. Its no different then WoW grinding at the end of the day, but it just feels radically different and more satisfying for whatever reason.


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  Nitth

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8/26/14 4:46:55 AM#13


Originally posted by LovrNoFightr
Some people think that grinding equals fun. Doing the same things over and over again.

Why is that?

I'm very happy to see that many MMOs allow us to buy things instead of grinding for them. IMO everything in a game should be able for purchasing. Equipment, races, levels and what have you.

 


How is it any different the playing FPS games where you shoot and kill things?


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  Ergload

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8/26/14 4:54:42 AM#14
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by LovrNoFightr
Some people think that grinding equals fun. Doing the same things over and over again.

 

Why is that?

I'm very happy to see that many MMOs allow us to buy things instead of grinding for them. IMO everything in a game should be able for purchasing. Equipment, races, levels and what have you.

 


 

How is it any different the playing FPS games where you shoot and kill things?

 

Both are repetitious in nature, yeah. FPS games you're just aiming and clicking to shoot, MMO games you're just tab-targeting and pressing hotkeys.

The difference though is that no FPS match ever plays out  the same. I've played hundreds of Battlefield 3 matches and each was different.

MMO dungeon grinding is just the same thing over and over again, literally. The mobs are always in the same spot, you always take the same path through a dungeon, etc.

Of course, you said "FPS games" and not "FPS multiplayer matches", so you can argue that FPS games are the same as dungeon grinding because you're just taking a linear path through levels and shooting things that are usually in the same spot. Of course, you don't "grind" in an FPS, unless its Borderlands.

I don't know the point I'm making here, honestly.


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  Rattenmann

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8/26/14 5:02:24 AM#15
Originally posted by waveslayer

originally while grinding a camp of mobs you talked with the ppl in your group whom you got to know somewhat, plus it was a means to an end, which is much more satisfying then what happened the other day, LFD interface popped while I was fighting a mob so it was a few seconds till I could accept, group had allready started, they where so geared they never stopped just kept going AoEing I never caught up and did anything, no one ever spoke a word. IMO that is not what playing MMoRPGs is about, but thats what they have become, becuase there is no grind anymore at all.

Grind has become a miss used word, now having to do anything at all is a grind, why do you ppl even play this genre?

This exactly.

 

A grind is only a grind if you dislike what you are doing. Some games make repetitive gameplay actually FUN. I know it is rare. Actually not to be seen in current gen MMOs, but there used to be games that made it so much fun that you did not want to stop AND made new friends while doing so.

 

Not a grind if you don't dislike it, really.

MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.

Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?

  Loktofeit

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8/26/14 5:03:38 AM#16
Originally posted by LovrNoFightr

Some people think that grinding equals fun. Doing the same things over and over again.

Why is that?

 

It's partially because some MMO gamers have a different definition of 'grind' than the rest of the world. If you ask them if they felt what they were doing was enjoyable or a laborious task, they'd say the former. So, in reality, NO ONE like grinding except maybe the occasional masochist.

 

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  AlBQuirky

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8/26/14 5:13:52 AM#17


Originally posted by PioneerStew

Originally posted by LovrNoFightr
Some people think that grinding equals fun. Doing the same things over and over again.

Why is that?

I'm very happy to see that many MMOs allow us to buy things instead of grinding for them. IMO everything in a game should be able for purchasing. Equipment, races, levels and what have you.



To each their own.

Exactly.

Some players like contrasting experiences. "Grinding" makes the easy stuff better.
Some players like the familiarity of doing the same over and over again.
Some players like what happens while they are grinding, like group interactions.

By definition, no one should enjoy grinding. "Grind" infers not having fun. Otherwise, it is not a grind :)

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  Ergload

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8/26/14 6:00:13 AM#18
Originally posted by Rattenmann

Some games make repetitive gameplay actually FUN. I know it is rare. Actually not to be seen in current gen MMOs, but there used to be games that made it so much fun that you did not want to stop AND made new friends while doing so.

That's what I get out of Minecraft, though technically you're grinding for mats. But what makes it fun is the hope and excitement of finding a dungeon or big cave when you're down in a mine tunnel.


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  mrrshann618

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8/26/14 7:22:52 AM#19

Personally I cannot stand grinding, in just about any form. That is unless they are able to mask the grinding fact

 

Quest Grind - No problem, I'm one of those who seek out as many quests as I can do as I LOVE to see what the writers have dreamed up as part of a storyline.

Exploration Grind - Some games have it some do not. I love climbing to the tops of vistas and looking down on the tiny towns below. some of the best views of the game are found here

Raid/Dungeon Grind - Sorry I hate running the same hallway, 4 billion times to get my tokens for T1, then T2, then T3. only to have a Ninja in every 6th group

Reputation Grind - if it is incidental, no problem. If all I'm doing is killing spawns to get 5 pts. nope sorry

 

There have been two games where I did not mind "Intentional Grinding"

1. Tabula Rasa's base attacks - For some reason base defense and base capture never felt like a grind to me, even though it was. Somehow the feeling of sitting in an outpost as the warning sirens went off and seeing that there were 5 people there, 2 of whom take for the hills leaving you 3 stranded and fighting a desperate outpost defense surviving by the skin of your teeth was FUN.

 

2. Rift - They had the Onslaughts, they felt "close" to the TR base defense. It was not the same, and I could handle doing it for a while, but there was no clear benefit to holding these unlike in TR

  aspekx

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8/26/14 7:33:12 AM#20

it depends upon the grinding.

 

i often find that grinding mobs or hunting can put me in a relaxed sort of 'zen' state. i also like because i can gather random loot to breakdown, sell, or give to an alt. and vendor trash is trash, but the vendor will take it.

 

however, while i love crafting, and have all but one EQ2 crafter to 95, grinding those crafting levels makes me pass out. i nod off all the time doing that. but i love being able to craft so much that i put up with it and try to burn through it as quickly as possible.

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