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  DonY81

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Joined: 10/31/08
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OP  8/23/14 4:11:00 PM#1

Give me some flak if you like but how many of you have not been truly happy with an mmo in ages. I really think that for a lot of folks round here it is simply time to just get onto something new or possibly time to throw the towel in with MMOs altogether. I honestly don't think ESO / AA and many others are that bad at all. I will admit im not playing them but ive been playing MMOs for a fair time too and am burnt out.

All I see about games recently released is bad hate. I mean come on i see people on here barking on about ultima and games that are like from 14 / 15 years ago. Surely to god 15 years is a long enough stint with 1 genre.... no?

 

 

 

  psiic

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8/23/14 4:22:26 PM#2

Interesting we both kinda noticed the same thing at the same time.

 

I just feel there is more to it than just burn out. 

 

I've always said video games effect the brain the same way narcotics does. 

 

They create endorphins which in turn effect serotonin levels. 

 

They are addictive just like a narcotic.

 

I think what we are feeling and seeing are the results of years of video game addiction coming to a head. 

 

The brain is working just the same way it does in a drug addict, you constantly need a bigger and bigger fix to get that serotonin release, and the problem is video games have nowhere to go.

 

Video games can't really increase the fix, so our brains and bodies are freaking out just like they do in a drug addict that can not get the fix they need.

 

 

  ryvendark

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8/23/14 4:26:45 PM#3
People will always tell you they know whats best... its only in hind site that they wish they took that advice.
  DonY81

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OP  8/23/14 4:28:00 PM#4
Originally posted by psiic

Interesting we both kinda noticed the same thing at the same time.

 

I just feel there is more to it than just burn out. 

 

I've always said video games effect the brain the same way narcotics does. 

 

They create endorphins which in turn effect serotonin levels. 

 

They are addictive just like a narcotic.

 

I think what we are feeling and seeing are the results of years of video game addiction coming to a head. 

 

The brain is working just the same way it does in a drug addict, you constantly need a bigger and bigger fix to get that serotonin release, and the problem is video games have nowhere to go.

 

Video games can't really increase the fix, so our brains and bodies are freaking out just like they do in a drug addict that can not get the fix they need.

 

 

That was pretty deep Psilic but interesting.

  Righteous_Rock

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Joined: 2/19/14
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8/23/14 4:29:52 PM#5
I've actually said this for quite some time. I will keep an eye on the genre due to all the possibilities, but whenever a new game launches or gets hyped, in my mind it's just laughable. We'll see if The Repopulation or CU Unchained can change my opinion from mmorpgs are laughable to mmorpgs are golden once again.
  Grunty

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Joined: 4/06/04
Posts: 6921

8/23/14 4:30:00 PM#6
That's it folks. You've all been fired. Turn off your computers and go play Yahtzee.
  Bresha

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Joined: 7/28/14
Posts: 64

8/23/14 4:30:46 PM#7

I can agree with what youre saying.

 

I myself have talked negative of countless games since WoW (this isnt my first account) .I do long for the days of Everquest.

 

However,there are games on the Horizon that I always hold out hope for.Current ones for me are The Repopulation,Pantheon,WoD.Thus is why I stick around.

 

I am finished with Mainstream,big business, cookie cutter MMO's though.

  Avanah

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8/23/14 4:37:23 PM#8
Originally posted by DonY81

 I will admit im not playing them but ive been playing MMOs for a fair time too and am burnt out.

All I see about games recently released is bad hate. I mean come on i see people on here barking on about ultima and games that are like from 14 / 15 years ago. Surely to god 15 years is a long enough stint with 1 genre.... no?

 

Surely a gaming genre isn't limited to only your prime time.

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  Havok2all

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8/23/14 4:39:54 PM#9
Originally posted by psiic

Interesting we both kinda noticed the same thing at the same time.

 

I just feel there is more to it than just burn out. 

 

I've always said video games effect the brain the same way narcotics does. 

 

They create endorphins which in turn effect serotonin levels. 

 

They are addictive just like a narcotic.

 

I think what we are feeling and seeing are the results of years of video game addiction coming to a head. 

 

The brain is working just the same way it does in a drug addict, you constantly need a bigger and bigger fix to get that serotonin release, and the problem is video games have nowhere to go.

 

Video games can't really increase the fix, so our brains and bodies are freaking out just like they do in a drug addict that can not get the fix they need.

 

 

This logic would only apply to those who are truly addicted, which studies have shown to be around less than 2% of the playerbase. Therefore, those who are not addicted, but are simply unhappy with the direction MMOs have gone in, are just that, unhappy with the direction MMOs have gone in.

Just like everything in pop culture styles will come and go, and eventually come back around again in a slightly altered version. Unfortunately for those who enjoyed MMOs from 10-15 years ago, they may have outgrown gaming altogether by the time in rolls around again.

  Kangaroomouse

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Joined: 4/15/14
Posts: 415

8/23/14 4:43:45 PM#10

It's like with most drugs. You develop a tolerance. Everyone is looking for that first high, the bliss of being completely immersed forgetting time and the world around you. We can't seem to get that high any more.

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The anger comes from the fact that everyone got screwed at least once and we secretly know that the gaming industry is laughing their asses off and snorting cocaine on a yacht from a hookers belly button at our expenses.

Gaming journalists have less integrity than an Italian union rep and big gaming personalities turn out to be greedy and vindictive assholes. Even our heroes from the past are failures and can't give us the drug we need so bad.

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We all know that it's going downhill from here. Steam is growing into a faffing Godzilla with too much power and too little concern for the gamers, the quality of the games they sell and to top it off, no refund policies and customer service.

Others starting to try to get into our wallets with monthly fees and games as subscriptions ideas. Others with DLCs and Episodic bullshit. Unfinished games have become a standard. Money first, quality second.

We don't even own our games any more, WTF!

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Is there any reason we should not be angry? If there is, i sure like to know.

  rodingo

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Joined: 1/18/07
Posts: 1886

8/23/14 4:51:00 PM#11
Originally posted by Grunty
That's it folks. You've all been fired. Turn off your computers and go play Yahtzee.

Pssshhh.  Yahtzee caters to the casual, instant gratification crowd and has poor socializing tools.  How lame is that?  Boardgames, card games and dice games are on a steady decline! 

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  Mendel

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8/23/14 4:51:40 PM#12
To paraphrase the great William Claude Dukenfield, "An MMORPG drove me to drink, and I never did thank it."  (That's W.C. Fields to you).

Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  grimal

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Joined: 9/11/05
Posts: 2662

8/23/14 6:00:25 PM#13
Originally posted by psiic

Interesting we both kinda noticed the same thing at the same time.

 

I just feel there is more to it than just burn out. 

 

I've always said video games effect the brain the same way narcotics does. 

 

They create endorphins which in turn effect serotonin levels. 

 

They are addictive just like a narcotic.

 

I think what we are feeling and seeing are the results of years of video game addiction coming to a head. 

 

The brain is working just the same way it does in a drug addict, you constantly need a bigger and bigger fix to get that serotonin release, and the problem is video games have nowhere to go.

 

Video games can't really increase the fix, so our brains and bodies are freaking out just like they do in a drug addict that can not get the fix they need.

 

 

Interesting.  I think they can be psychology addictive (but what can't?), but I don't believe they are chemically addictive like a narcotic.

 

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  Anireth

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Joined: 1/28/05
Posts: 496

8/23/14 7:25:22 PM#14

While there most likely will never be the "perfect" MMO, so people will always be disappointed,..what has this to do with what other games/genre people play?

I also think that it's not just the players fault for having rose-tinted glasses because it was their first MMO and it's been so long, but also the developers fault for not delivering something that makes people long for it. They have so many more options today, the possibilities are literally endless. And yet they limit themselves to such a narrow window.

There have been games with multiple endings based on your playthrough in 1980 or so. UO had modular housing in the open world with theoretically hundreds of options (though usually limited to using only one style etc.). You could also decorate the interior as you like. Ttoday you get static instances, if anything at all.

On the shard that i played, every job had it's merit. I played one of only two carpenters, and once we teamed up and opened a shop along a popular road, we quickly became more famous than most people who could slay us in seconds, whether it was because of their character stats or because of the skills of the player. Heck, the king was someone who never touched a weapon (yes, that includes before he was famous and became king), and the killing of an innocent tailor (who also never ever touched a weapon - well, except the wrong end in that case) in my guild sparked a server-wide conflict between the good and evil guilds.

In Face of Mankind, every zone outside the faction HQs was open PVP. But almost no one got ramdomly killed. Why? Because one faction was the police. And one the army. Both had player created missions to patrol the public areas and to arrest bad guys, so players would actually get paid for that.  While FoM had no skills (at least no combat related), you could tie a skill system to that. Instead of killing 10 rats and so.

The player base and available areas where both a bit limited, so sometimes you would patrol the same area the 5th time and still nothing would happen.

But with a big developer/publisher and a big budget, there could be done so much more.

You do not have to get rid of NPCs completely, "random" attacks like e.g. in Tabula Rasa (where they weren't really random..but they did take over the bases) could be integrated to spice things up. NPCs could randomly give crafters quests to retrieve rare minerals somewhere. The bad guys would automatically try to hunt the crafters down, while the police would try to protect them. With the police being stretched thin, someone might take that opportunity to pull a stunt in a public zone. Mabye take hostages, rob a bank. Things escalate and the army has to take control of the mining outposts and hunt down the criminal factions. To cover the cost of equipping so many soldiers for all out war, the army taxes the mining profits. Some trading faction might be inclined to team up with a criminal faction, promising them a (lower, compared to army tax) share of the profits. And so on.

Everything that was possible back then is still possible, plus a thousand, a million more things.

It might not be possible to do all that in a game running on Unreal Engine 4 and get everyone and his grandma to play it at the same time, but the game itself would be possible. Currently, indie games and some solo games are pushing the limits of video games. Minecraft is an obvious case. Deus Ex Human Revolution had a real-time (?) element with the first quest, where if you wait too long while exploring the Sarif HQ, the hostages would be killed. Assassins Creed 4 features sailing a ship and even naval combat. ArcheAge is supposed to feature something similar, maybe even bigger, but not much is known about it apparently, and it still has a lot of shortcomings of the traditional (the last 10+ years) MMO. Skyrim featured NPCs who would go to work and sleep etc, instead of being static. TSW had that somewhat with NPCs following/leading players on a quest in the open world, and other players still being able to talk to them. But they would not do anything on their own.

It' might not be cheap, it might not be easy, and not eveyone will like everything. But current MMOs are not even trying. We are just on the verge of a renaissance, of rediscovering features games once had 20,30,40 years ago. Maybe by 2020 someone will have done something truly new *in* a game (not talking about stuff like Oculus or motion control gadgets like Wii Mote or Kinect , where new stuff gets invented all the time)

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  donpopuki

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8/23/14 8:24:15 PM#15
I've moved on. I've been DMing games using the Roll20 site. Don't get more sandbox than Dungeons and Dragons. I pop in here once in a while to see whats going. I don't plan to try any new games other than Landmark or EQ Next any time soon. 
  Panther2103

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8/23/14 8:30:38 PM#16
Originally posted by Bresha

I can agree with what youre saying.

 

I myself have talked negative of countless games since WoW (this isnt my first account) .I do long for the days of Everquest.

 

However,there are games on the Horizon that I always hold out hope for.Current ones for me are The Repopulation,Pantheon,WoD.Thus is why I stick around.

 

I am finished with Mainstream,big business, cookie cutter MMO's though.

WoD was cancelled sadly :/

  Kyleran

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8/23/14 8:38:02 PM#17
My father played golf for over 50 years, why should I be tired of MMORPGs in only 15?

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  fardreamer

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8/23/14 8:40:30 PM#18

I would love to quit my gaming addiction, and I really do try, its just hard to find a substitute, life does not really offer any alternative entertainment.

My life looks something like this; I work at a job during the day.

When I have free time I try to exercise or learn something/read.

After that there is a void, I try to fill that void with entertainment, like movies, series or games.

I've seen almost every anime and series available, even the 600episode stuff. I've seen about every movie thats interested me made the last 30 years.. I go to the theatre and sometimes I even go see musicals.. Still there is that void, what do you suggest i fill that void with, if not grinding a mmo? real drugs?

  ElRenmazuo

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8/23/14 8:41:23 PM#19
Originally posted by Kyleran
My father played golf for over 50 years, why should I be tired of MMORPGs in only 15?

Because Golf will never change

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  Albatroes

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Joined: 6/29/14
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8/23/14 8:50:23 PM#20
Its very possible that people could be burn out. But its also equally possible that companies are just bad? Or people's standards have lowered over the years. Sure the world doesn't feel like time is as forgiving as it used to be thanks to technology and social media, but you have too many people trying to produce subpar work that has not been properly tested and such as games used to be a few years ago. Too many people trying to make a quick buck off this genre and its sickening tbh.
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