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  SBFord

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OP  8/18/14 8:00:09 PM#1

Since its announcement in November last year, World of Warcraft’s latest expansion has come under a fair share of criticism. Have players been left waiting too long for new content? Does Blizzard’s MMO still hold up after ten years at the top? Can it still hope to bring in new players as it once did?

Read more of Gareth Harmer's World of Warcraft: Addressing the Criticism.

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  greatskys

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8/19/14 3:18:06 PM#2

It will never bring in new players as it once did there is far too much competition these days . I'm sure there will be new players though because its a very appealing game to children and its a good starter mmo . 

The over all trend will continue to be downward I suspect . 

  Ludwik

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8/19/14 3:39:09 PM#3
WoW will stand the test of time.

Too many shenanigans from the other AAA developers to ever build a following.
  ButeoRegalis

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8/19/14 3:59:29 PM#4

"Have players been left waiting too long for new content?"

Don't hate! It takes a while for World of Borgcraft to assimilate all the good stuff that's been done in newer MMOs.

  Alalala

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8/19/14 4:04:02 PM#5

I enjoyed most of the game play, although the 4 rows of buttons and addon management got tedious.

 

What drove me and my mates away was how childish WoW became - cuddly pandas, adorable pets, cute mounts.   Those expansion trailers are the only thing left in WoW that feels dark and adult; everything else feels like being in a kids' cartoon.

 

Yeah, I'm part of the millions of folks who left WoW.  There are as-good MMO options out there, some free or B2P.

 

 
  redrain84

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8/19/14 4:25:13 PM#6

I use to play wow also, and this game doesn't give the people what they want. Wow is at its end of days, and it has been a long time coming. Every thing will meet its end at one point. This was once the great MMO but no more. They had their  fame now its time for them to sit down and reminisce over the days they once were great.

I play games now  where its the only one game the developer has so it updated often i.e. Marvel Heroes 2015.  Blizzard has to many games so one cant get the attention its need to flourish. Also they take way to long to come out with Expansions in my opinion and when they do the expansion isn't really good. They make you wait a long time they when its released it sucks. This is the Blizzard formula...

 

  MrMelGibson

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8/19/14 4:29:22 PM#7
Originally posted by redrain84

I use to play wow also, and this game doesn't give the people what they want. Wow is at its end of days, and it has been a long time coming. Every thing will meet its end at one point. This was once the great MMO but no more. They had their  fame now its time for them to sit down and reminisce over the days they once were great.

I play games now  where its the only one game the developer has so it updated often i.e. Marvel Heroes 2015.  Blizzard has to many games so one cant get the attention its need to flourish. Also they take way to long to come out with Expansions in my opinion and when they do the expansion isn't really good. They make you wait a long time they when its released it sucks. This is the Blizzard formula...

 

 [mod edit] How are they on their way out with 7 million subs?    [mod edit]

  Pepeq

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8/19/14 4:36:26 PM#8
Originally posted by MrMelGibson
Originally posted by redrain84

I use to play wow also, and this game doesn't give the people what they want. Wow is at its end of days, and it has been a long time coming. Every thing will meet its end at one point. This was once the great MMO but no more. They had their  fame now its time for them to sit down and reminisce over the days they once were great.

I play games now  where its the only one game the developer has so it updated often i.e. Marvel Heroes 2015.  Blizzard has to many games so one cant get the attention its need to flourish. Also they take way to long to come out with Expansions in my opinion and when they do the expansion isn't really good. They make you wait a long time they when its released it sucks. This is the Blizzard formula...

 

[mod edit]

How are they on their way out with 7 million subs?  [mod edit]

Why does it matter one way or another... they guy who left the game, left it... adios... the guy who still plays the game, still plays it... gratz... neither of which need to ever cross paths... and yet, they seek out the other half like it's some sort of quest of absolution.  Really, both halves of the argument come off exactly the same no matter how you try to spin it.

  meonthissite

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8/19/14 4:47:30 PM#9
Originally posted by Ludwik
WoW will stand the test of time.

Too many shenanigans from the other AAA developers to ever build a following.

Sadly I think due to the number of new players who don't know a bad deal or bad economy when they see one they still continue to build followers despite serious game design flaws.

Archeage, GW2, NWO are great examples of economies that are terrible but somehow the fanboys just keep on paying.

  Feonixo

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8/19/14 4:53:35 PM#10
I have been playing Archeage lately.. I can never go back to WoW. I never really liked how WoW looked, but I got into it because my girlfriend was playing. My 12 year old son loves it, he gets to play it when he stays with me, and I think that is the market that Blizz are appealling to the most (whether they mean to or not).
  MrMelGibson

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8/19/14 5:03:24 PM#11
Originally posted by Feonixo
I have been playing Archeage lately.. I can never go back to WoW. I never really liked how WoW looked, but I got into it because my girlfriend was playing. My 12 year old son loves it, he gets to play it when he stays with me, and I think that is the market that Blizz are appealling to the most (whether they mean to or not).
 

Yep, all 7 million subs are just housewives and children.  You nailed it on the head. /rollseyes

  Pissedjedi

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8/19/14 5:16:54 PM#12

As an Adult of 41 who has played wow for 10 years... I don't play wow because its cute and cuddly. I play wow because many of its systems are well thought out. Because they do have a good organized pvp system. Because I do enjoy the lore and universe they have created. Because They still try to compete. I have tried many mmos.. Wildstar recently.. had a fun combat system. But Instead of utilizing their past experience from Wow as developers and having a  smart well balanced pvp system.. They had a pvp system that was terribly flawed easily exploited and sadly they didn't decide that having a serious pvp support system was worth it and .. sadly that game has suffered greatly because of it. 

Warlords of Draenor appears to  definitely have learned from the mistakes they made with pvp and the lack of support and instead are finally giving pvp a greater due it long deserves. This is why I Am vastly more interested in this expansion then expansions past.

  Joeyjojoshabadu

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8/19/14 5:34:38 PM#13
Originally posted by Ludwik
WoW will stand the test of time.

Too many shenanigans from the other AAA developers to ever build a following.

I think this is true. Many people here are too personally invested in other MMOs or have been burned out in WOW to be even slightly objective. If you were to 'helicopter' the situation - objectively look at the overall layout from above - it's clear that WOW just does it better than the others. It's not that WOW is the Best Game Ever, just that there is a solid trend for other MMOs to be  messy or clumsily executed or inefficient or niche (by comparison at least). Of course, this is a function of mostly money and time - WOW has more of both behind them than other MMOs. If the others had as many subs and 10 years up time behind them, they would be as content-rich and polished as well.

 

  Gravarg

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8/19/14 5:35:20 PM#14
Originally posted by Pissedjedi

As an Adult of 41 who has played wow for 10 years... I don't play wow because its cute and cuddly. I play wow because many of its systems are well thought out. Because they do have a good organized pvp system. Because I do enjoy the lore and universe they have created. Because They still try to compete. I have tried many mmos.. Wildstar recently.. had a fun combat system. But Instead of utilizing their past experience from Wow as developers and having a  smart well balanced pvp system.. They had a pvp system that was terribly flawed easily exploited and sadly they didn't decide that having a serious pvp support system was worth it and .. sadly that game has suffered greatly because of it. 

Warlords of Draenor appears to  definitely have learned from the mistakes they made with pvp and the lack of support and instead are finally giving pvp a greater due it long deserves. This is why I Am vastly more interested in this expansion then expansions past.

QFT

I couldn't have said it better myself.  I've played wow since launch and one of the things that keeps me playing is that the game is so polished.  Not only does everything works (except on few occasions), it works extremely smooth.  Then there's also the lore of the Warcraft Universe, which I've been playing since WC1.  With WoD, it seems they're going to revisit the older world, which is very exciting for me.  I always thought when WoW was announced it would start in the era of the Dark Portal, just like the series.  I was wrong, but I'm happy to see that they're revisiting it.

  Wizardry

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Joined: 8/27/04
Posts: 6910

Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

8/19/14 6:45:54 PM#15

The bottom line is this"""HOW players are playing the game.Blizzard can many any speech they want but if all players  are doing like 99% of them ,are just rinse and repeat instance dungeons,that is not much to brag about at all.It also means that the word content is over used,you can narrow it down to one dimensional gaming and that is it.

In other words,you cant say we do this and that and is a very ambitious xpac yet players are still doing just ONE thing 99% of the time.Its engine is very outdated,its graphics are outdated,still linear questing and instances,really that has been done a million times by EVERY game.

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  blubsterer

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8/19/14 7:01:32 PM#16
Originally posted by Tom Chilton

Then there are all the potential barriers to getting into it. Certainly with our previous expansions, if you had dropped out somewhere leading up to that expansion, like prior to it, then you had the barrier of getting through all the expansions you didn’t do, to get to whatever the current one is. So we’re really trying to lower that barrier with the level 90 boost and make sure that, if you are excited by this, that you can jump right into it.

Yeah, right. First you let people pay for the expansions all those years. Then you let them pay for insta level to 90. And then you call it "lower the barrier". If you really want to lower the barrier you could simply make all expansions but the newest one free. And bring back the Scroll of Resurrection. That is actively lowering the barrier without robing the players. But then you have to pass on a bit of money. And that will never happen.

That's the greatest problem I have with WoW (and Blizzard in general) nowadays:  don't piss on my back and call it rain ...

  Vorthanion

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8/19/14 7:07:34 PM#17
Originally posted by Alalala

I enjoyed most of the game play, although the 4 rows of buttons and addon management got tedious.

 

What drove me and my mates away was how childish WoW became - cuddly pandas, adorable pets, cute mounts.   Those expansion trailers are the only thing left in WoW that feels dark and adult; everything else feels like being in a kids' cartoon.

 

Yeah, I'm part of the millions of folks who left WoW.  There are as-good MMO options out there, some free or B2P.

 

 

I think the cutesy stuff is there to attract asian gamers who love that lovey dovey anime style.

  syriinx

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8/19/14 7:19:22 PM#18
The two types of people on MMORPG.com that always come across as clueless and pathetic:  WoW bashers and SoE bashers
  furbans

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8/19/14 7:24:40 PM#19

I pre-ordered the deluxe edition of WoD.  Will I play WoW when WoD releases?  Sure.  Will it keep my attention?  Doubtful since SoO just reinforces that I am really sick and tired of the treadmill gear grind of WoW raiding and that its the only form of PvE end-game content.  I'd skeptical that Blizzard will ever make any sort of PvE endgame content besides raiding.  I'm looking towards sandbox games that are coming out to really to my MMO time with.  EQN really has my attention with their exploration and storybricks which hopefully what they actually deliver out of all their talk will be enough.  That or hopefully PFO delivers what they set out to do and is graphically acceptable.

 

WoW has had a huge and successful run and still running, but for me who played every xpac with the exception of Cata, who played the very first Warcraft game done by the real Blizzard, WoW is a tired old horse that needs to be let out to the pastures.  Doubtful that the experience will change even with these new features.

  Arglebargle

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8/19/14 7:33:55 PM#20

WoW is big because it's big.   It came from an established company with a ton of fans, a company that had a bit of business acumen.   It's built up a large base of players with time in grade.  And for the neophyte, it's the first name they know.   Like certain other internet phenomenom,  say, Ebay or Paypal, it hit at the right time, right place.   It's not that Ebay or Paypal are that great, its more their ubiquity.   They are the big dogs of their genre, and the name that everyone knows.

 

Me, I bounced off WoW hard, didn't like the world or the writing.  But obviously, millions of folks don't agree with me.... ;)   Of course, millions of folks bought Brittany Spears recordings too.

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

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