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  Pratt2112

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8/18/14 7:15:16 AM#21

I love how this "how much will people pay for Alpha access?" is discussed in actual "calm" tones.

It doesn't seem too long ago that people would be raging if they'd spent $50 on what they felt was a "pay-to-play Beta". 

Now people are asking if $200 is "too high" to pay for an Alpha.

 

It's like developers use players' "outrage" as a roadmap of where they should go next. "Oh, they're complaining about paying to Beta? Okay, then they'd probably be willing to pay even more for Alpha... Do it".

They must be laughing their asses off at all these people who scream and yell and complain on forums, while opening their wallets so they don't "miss out". 

And then people will still complain about a $14 monthly sub fee as "not being worth it". /facepalm

"Devs need to stop trying to make MMOs for people who don't like MMOs" - thevampirelematt/Reddit

  DMKano

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8/18/14 7:17:27 AM#22

The pricing on Founder's pack will be higher than Landmark IMO.

Bottom line - pricing is determined by market research - whatever report SoE gets back as far as "the sweet spot" - that's the prices they'll set it to.

If you set it too low - too many players, means you need a ton of Alpha server hardware - which cuts into profits

Too high a price - low sales - few players - again profit loss.

You want to set the price as high as you can and still get a LOT of purchases.

 

The pricing decisions for a project of this size are not made up on the fly - paying $50K for proper market research price point is what they will do.

I can see $50 beta access, $150 alpha access easily

 

  CrazKanuk

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8/18/14 7:26:35 AM#23
Originally posted by RPGMASTERGAMER
Originally posted by Gallus85

It will be comparable to Landmark.  Probably somewhere in the $19.99 ballpark for basic access. 

Archeage had pretty atrocious pricing for their testing access, but I think SOE will keep the prices at or near Landmark testing pricing.

im guessing you are wrong, they can get away with the price of archeage and why they would only charge 20 buck if they can charge 200 buck? im guessing 100-200$ for access with ultimate acess for fool at 300$

they will go higher, why ? because they can

But they can't. Having crazy pre-sale packages simply alienates your core players, the people who will actually spend money to play your game on a long-term, ongoing basis. I'm not saying they won't have higher-priced packages, because whale tastes great! but you can't have a pricing model that isn't accessible to your core audience. Unfortunately it sets a bad precedent for the entire game, imo. It's kinda like Eternal Crusade, for me, I was excited about the game, but when they came out with their pre-sale packages and saw that they were actually already monetizing people by selling items....... pre-sale! I didn't bite. I think it cheapens it and kinda plays into that negative F2P stigma that's already there. Especially when you tag the weapons as "Limited Edition" and stuff like that. 

 

I think Sony will be smarter and will appeal to their entire fan base instead of just the core group of players who will spend triple digits to play it before it's release..... and have all their data wiped and have to start all over again. 

Crazkanuk

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  cheyane

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8/18/14 7:30:30 AM#24
What is the big deal people with money want to spend it on the hobby they love . What me worry I won't buy it unless its cheap.

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  phantomghost

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8/18/14 7:33:26 AM#25

I'd pay $0 to test EQNot.  If I wanted to play a a ESO again I would... if I wanted childish WoW graphics I would play WoW.

 

Game is too 5 year old friendly.

"I see they watchin' me and takin' notes on my moves, Run up on me it's all I want I ain't got nothin' to lose."

  Nadia

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8/18/14 7:37:20 AM#26
Originally posted by cheyane
What is the big deal people with money want to spend it on the hobby they love .

agree -- a dozen gamers paid $1000.00 to get into the Pathfinder alpha

 

follow your bliss

  Shaigh

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8/18/14 8:12:20 AM#27
Originally posted by DMKano

The pricing on Founder's pack will be higher than Landmark IMO.

Bottom line - pricing is determined by market research - whatever report SoE gets back as far as "the sweet spot" - that's the prices they'll set it to.

If you set it too low - too many players, means you need a ton of Alpha server hardware - which cuts into profits

Too high a price - low sales - few players - again profit loss.

You want to set the price as high as you can and still get a LOT of purchases.

 

The pricing decisions for a project of this size are not made up on the fly - paying $50K for proper market research price point is what they will do.

I can see $50 beta access, $150 alpha access easily

Sounds about right.

  kalimar42

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8/18/14 8:15:58 AM#28
Have  you people fucking gone MAD!!!.     What the hell has happen to the gaming world???     I cannot believe you idiots would pay to play a ALPHA.    Gaming has become a fucking joke.   These asshole game companies should be paying us to try out the fucking piece of shit game that it probably is.  OMG I need a drink.    
  DMKano

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8/18/14 8:19:45 AM#29
Originally posted by kalimar42
Have  you people fucking gone MAD!!!.     What the hell has happen to the gaming world???     I cannot believe you idiots would pay to play a ALPHA.    Gaming has become a fucking joke.   These asshole game companies should be paying us to try out the fucking piece of shit game that it probably is.  OMG I need a drink.    

  Four0Six

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8/18/14 8:21:45 AM#30
Originally posted by kalimar42
Have  you people fucking gone MAD!!!.     What the hell has happen to the gaming world???     I cannot believe you idiots would pay to play a ALPHA.    Gaming has become a fucking joke.   These asshole game companies should be paying us to try out the fucking piece of shit game that it probably is.  OMG I need a drink.    

 

It is a Brave New World friend. One where those long term players, the ones that play for year(s), still do, just before launch. The rest play for month(s) at a time after launch.

  CrazKanuk

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8/18/14 8:27:14 AM#31
Originally posted by kalimar42
Have  you people fucking gone MAD!!!.     What the hell has happen to the gaming world???     I cannot believe you idiots would pay to play a ALPHA.    Gaming has become a fucking joke.   These asshole game companies should be paying us to try out the fucking piece of shit game that it probably is.  OMG I need a drink.    

I've played a few Alphas in my day, but the paid "Alphas" that are going on these days aren't true alphas, they are generally much more polished games, more like play testing. I don't disagree with you that it's crazy that people will pay, only to have their data wiped on launch. That's not really my style.

 

Either way,  these people aren't paying for Alpha access, there's always value-adds provided. As they get better at structuring these, it'll actually become even more attractive to buy-in early. Even if you don't play Alpha. 

 

Then you've got the speed players who want to rush through the game. If that's their idea of fun, then having a good idea of how to get to max level quickest on day one is probably good. 

 

Yeah, so it's not alpha.... at all. Don't fool yourself. 

Crazkanuk

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  Rommie10-284

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8/18/14 8:32:14 AM#32

Given that SOE has seen what's happened with games like Pathfinder and Star Citizen, know their own experience with Landmark, and that we are talking about freaking EVERQUEST - all bets are off for what the pricing will be.

And it's only a matter of time until it takes hold for post-release purchases.  "Collector's editions" will seem so 2010.

The bubble keeps growing and growing...

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  Sovrath

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8/18/14 8:37:29 AM#33
Originally posted by kalimar42
Have  you people fucking gone MAD!!!.     What the hell has happen to the gaming world???     I cannot believe you idiots would pay to play a ALPHA.    Gaming has become a fucking joke.   These asshole game companies should be paying us to try out the fucking piece of shit game that it probably is.  OMG I need a drink.    

You probably need to look at the whole picture.

Which you aren't.

When looking at these packages it seems that people aren't just paying for "alpha".

What is offered is Alpha and Beta access AND several months subscription status AND if there is a store a certain amount of credits.

These offers "should" be for people who are die hard fans who know what they are about and have no problem being in on the ground floor of the process.

If you add up the months of subscription plus whatever "items" are given to you plus any credits for their store you will probably see that it comes out even or you as a player come out ahead. Plus you get alpha and beta.

 

  GeezerGamer

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8/18/14 8:48:02 AM#34

I see this as the replacement programs for what we used to call LTS. Paying for a game before it's been released has been around for a lot longer than people seem to remember. Not saying it's any less risky now as it was then. All those players getting burned on LTSs only to see the games go F2P in a year. But it's hardly new.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Gallus85

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8/18/14 3:47:24 PM#35
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by kalimar42
Have  you people fucking gone MAD!!!.     What the hell has happen to the gaming world???     I cannot believe you idiots would pay to play a ALPHA.    Gaming has become a fucking joke.   These asshole game companies should be paying us to try out the fucking piece of shit game that it probably is.  OMG I need a drink.    

You probably need to look at the whole picture.

Which you aren't.

When looking at these packages it seems that people aren't just paying for "alpha".

What is offered is Alpha and Beta access AND several months subscription status AND if there is a store a certain amount of credits.

These offers "should" be for people who are die hard fans who know what they are about and have no problem being in on the ground floor of the process.

If you add up the months of subscription plus whatever "items" are given to you plus any credits for their store you will probably see that it comes out even or you as a player come out ahead. Plus you get alpha and beta.

 

Ya, you can make a one time payment of $19.99 and get full access for alpha and beta.  With Landmark for example, it's been in alpha/beta since Jan31 of this year and it isn't over any time soon.

Even if it went "live" at one year, F2P for anyone, players will have paid $19.99 and got to be a part of the game for 12 months, at a rate of $1.60 a month.

Oh the horror!  What has befallen the gaming world where someone would pay $1.60 for a month of entertainment in a game!  THE HORRRRRORR!  AWWHADJHKASHDHJKASHDKJKAHSJHDJKSADKASJH

 

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  AmbrosiaAmor

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8/18/14 7:15:01 PM#36
Originally posted by kalimar42
Have you people fucking gone MAD!!!
What the hell has happened to the gaming world???  
Gaming has become a fucking joke.  
These asshole game companies should be...    

 

making money?

 

 

My thoughts?

 

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