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General Discussion  » Knowing the state of EQNext today, I wonder if TenTonHammer and MMORPG have any regrets over e3 best in show award 2013?

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  GeezerGamer

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8/17/14 11:57:54 PM#81

For teh point of the topic, I am finding myself in agreement with OP. They pitched an idea and an animated video with little else. You can get away with saying anything you want about your product, you can show it in any light. You can make it be and do anything you want it to and there is no reality to check it against. 

However, as far as the level of outrage over this travesty...........well, let's just say I think there are bigger fish to fry.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Allein

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8/18/14 12:12:36 AM#82
Originally posted by alyndale

Rock on!

Thank you for this. Probably the best post for weeks in this forum =)

While I love the drama, it is so silly. Glad to see others laughing as much as I do.

Now back to it....DOWN WITH THESE P2W AWARDS!

  Gallus85

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8/18/14 12:33:30 AM#83
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Quizzical
The award was for which pre-release game seemed most promising at the time.  It has about as much meaning as preseason college football rankings.  If a correction is necessary, the launch review, or perhaps an article announcing the cancellation of the game, will serve just fine as that correction.

Pretty much this.

The award is for what they saw at the moment compared to everything at that show. Maybe even what they thought was the potential.

It's not for playing the game inside and out, kicking the tires for weeks on end, running it through its paces.

Exactly right.  It was just an evaluation based on innovation compared to other games around it that also weren't released yet.

Lets face it, EQN is the game that's pushing boundaries.  Horizontal progression, fully destructible world, proceedurly generated world / under-world, the emergent AI system, SOEmote with highly animated character faces.... just to name a few things ffs.

What games was it running against and how were they innovating?  Archeage?  It's a very traditional vertical progression, gear grinding MMO that offers a traditional combat system in a sandbox-lite experience.  ESO?  Ya that game did nothing innovative at all.

Seriously, if not EQN, then what, pray tell, should have won?  What game was shafted from it's justly earned reward that was clearly more impressive than EQN?

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  DMKano

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OP  8/18/14 12:41:46 AM#84
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Quizzical
The award was for which pre-release game seemed most promising at the time.  It has about as much meaning as preseason college football rankings.  If a correction is necessary, the launch review, or perhaps an article announcing the cancellation of the game, will serve just fine as that correction.

Pretty much this.

The award is for what they saw at the moment compared to everything at that show. Maybe even what they thought was the potential.

It's not for playing the game inside and out, kicking the tires for weeks on end, running it through its paces.

It's not even playing it at all -nobody at E3 ever got to *play* EQNext period , not even for 20 seconds, because there was NO GAME to be played. It was a presentation of an *idea* of EQNext.

I agree with you 100% that at E3 nobody is going to play any of the future titles *extensively* - no that would be crazy.

 

At least have it *playable* for like 5 minutes before saying that it's even in a state to be considered a *game* instead of an *idea* of what it might be 3 years down the road.

 

Again my issue behind this entire thread is very simple:

 

Have some basic rules to determine the nature of what is being shown as being considered a *game* or early prototype before making it a candidate for ANY award. 

That is my entire point in a nutshell.

 

Best in show award given for a something that was not even fully conceptualized yet at the time - not even close to being anything to be called a *game* is a farce.

 

  Gallus85

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8/18/14 12:49:49 AM#85
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Quizzical
The award was for which pre-release game seemed most promising at the time.  It has about as much meaning as preseason college football rankings.  If a correction is necessary, the launch review, or perhaps an article announcing the cancellation of the game, will serve just fine as that correction.

Pretty much this.

The award is for what they saw at the moment compared to everything at that show. Maybe even what they thought was the potential.

It's not for playing the game inside and out, kicking the tires for weeks on end, running it through its paces.

It's not even playing it at all -nobody at E3 ever got to *play* EQNext period , not even for 20 seconds, because there was NO GAME to be played. It was a presentation of an *idea* of EQNext.

I agree with you 100% that at E3 nobody is going to play any of the future titles *extensively* - no that would be crazy.

 

At least have it *playable* for like 5 minutes before saying that it's even in a state to be considered a *game* instead of an *idea* of what it might be 3 years down the road.

 

Again my issue behind this entire thread is very simple:

 

Have some basic rules to determine the nature of what is being shown as being considered a *game* or early prototype before making it a candidate for ANY award. 

That is my entire point in a nutshell.

 

Best in show award given for a something that was not even fully conceptualized yet at the time - not even close to being anything to be called a *game* is a farce.

 

For one, the games were played by the devs at both E3 and SOE Live.  It wasn't a pre-render or CGI cutscene.

Second, that goes to show how bad ass EQN is.  It blew away the competition even in a very early state lol.  I think it speaks more for the game in a positive light than it does say anything negative about MMORPG.com or TTH.

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  Allein

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8/18/14 1:06:52 AM#86
Originally posted by DMKano

Have some basic rules to determine the nature of what is being shown as being considered a *game* or early prototype before making it a candidate for ANY award. 

That is my entire point in a nutshell.

Best in show award given for a something that was not even fully conceptualized yet at the time - not even close to being anything to be called a *game* is a farce.

"Say what? You thought this one wasn’t at E3? Well, really... it wasn’t in any official capacity. But we were treated to an early look at what SOE has planned for the game’s unveiling in August and we were quite simply blown away by every little detail we saw. This is going to sound like a cop-out, but we can't say why we are choosing EQN as our Best of Show because we've been sworn to secrecy until the big debut in August. What we can say is that we saw grand plans for the world's largest sandbox and it was more than enough to stand head and shoulders above any game we saw at E3. When Sony pulls back the curtain later this summer, you will not be disappointed. EverQuest Next is this year's E3 Best of Show, and in just a couple months you'll all understand why. We promise."

While I agree that having some sort of rules or reasoning as to how a game is judged and compared to competition, because "Best in Show" isn't like giving a game 1 out 10 rating, I still miss why it matters so much.

They subjectively thought it was the best thing they saw at E3, regardless of the state of it. They thought a pre-alpha, tech demo, unplayable, yadda yadda was better than a much more feature complete game such as Wildstar, ArcheAge, or ESO. Deal with it. It's their site, their award, their opinion. If you don't like it, give out your own awards.

Look at the other categories...Best Hybrid, Rising Star, Most Innovative, Most Anticipated. Really? Do these mean anything. Honestly, EQN could of probably won all those as well if we want to get into it.

It is a meaningless award given out by one of so many sites.

A year, two, three down the line when EQN is closer to release can they give it the award again? Or will that ruffle your feathers as well?

It is over a year since the award was given out and I see no reason why it is even a conversation at this point. Like I said, if you don't like it, contact them and give a suggestion, you aren't going to find any solutions here.

  Rydeson

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8/18/14 4:52:01 AM#87

I"m going to make a game that will attract 20 million customers,  keep them hooked for years, and be the most uber awesome super D duper game ever built and dreamed about..  Everyone from casual to super raiders will love my game.... 

That being said.. Where is my E3 2015 award for "best game"?

  Nitth

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8/18/14 4:59:45 AM#88


Originally posted by Rydeson
I"m going to make a game that will attract 20 million customers,  keep them hooked for years, and be the most uber awesome super D duper game ever built and dreamed about..  Everyone from casual to super raiders will love my game.... 

That being said.. Where is my E3 2015 award for "best game"?


Wheres your prof of concept?(Demo)?
Company Portfolio (company credibility)?
E3 Registration?

I mean really, E3 is an expo to show off tech demos and market things. That year, they were most intrigued with EQN. End of story.


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  Dreamo84

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8/18/14 7:16:00 AM#89
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by syriinx
Originally posted by DMKano
As far as awards go on MMO sites - that article was sort of a big deal - best in show award for a non-existing game? A promise?

This deserves some attention IMO

 

No it doesn't.

 

What else was really worthy? 

 

EQN still looks very interesting, Im just not a fan of action combat.  Does seem to have a very interesting multi class system though.  Maybe its something I would play a few hours a week like I would an ARPG.

 

I think you are missing the point - which is completely unfinished, hardly conceputalized tech demos winning awards for best in show.

Where does it stop - Blizzard could come in and show some slides of ideas that have for WoW3 - that they won't start working on in another 15 years ...

Where does it stop?

There must  be some sort of regulation that separates "way too early to be considered a game" 

from

"actual playable product"

 

It's not a question of worthiness - it's a question of eligibility to even be considered a game first.

Otherwise lets just give awards for best *ideas*

 

 

 

 

Maybe it stops at whatever doesn't impress them enough to win best in show?

Maybe stop thinking of it as "Best Almost Finished Game In Show" and just think of it as "Best In Show" which merely implies it was the best thing they saw in the show. If it was a really bad year, the over priced Pizza could have been best in show I suppose...

It's not about what a company can show off, they can show off whatever they want. But if MMORPG.com doesn't think whatever they show is the best they have seen there, then it won't win.

Ultimately, it was the MMORPG.com staff's personal opinion as to what presentation of what in development game deserved best in show. You don't like it? Oh well...

If I go to a big let's say car show. And I see all these classic cars, and new cars, modified cars, custom cars whatever etc etc. And then let's say Dodge does some kind of big presentation and shows off the early designs of their new state of the art gonna revolutionize the motorized vehicle market car. They only have a basic shell for what the car will look like, and mock ups and charts of all it's features etc.

I might be willing to give this crazy future car "best in show". Why? Because it was the best thing I saw in the show.

 

  Dreamo84

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8/18/14 7:19:03 AM#90
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Rydeson
I"m going to make a game that will attract 20 million customers,  keep them hooked for years, and be the most uber awesome super D duper game ever built and dreamed about..  Everyone from casual to super raiders will love my game.... 

 

That being said.. Where is my E3 2015 award for "best game"?


 

Wheres your prof of concept?(Demo)?
Company Portfolio (company credibility)?
E3 Registration?

I mean really, E3 is an expo to show off tech demos and market things. That year, they were most intrigued with EQN. End of story.

Yeah, maybe if he produces an awesome demo, some concept art, hires a company like StoryBricks. And then has 15 years of MMORPG experience as a company people will believe him.

People are acting like these were just a couple of bums off the street who said "Hey guys! This game will be awesome" and then they got Best in Show. Good lord... it's not like this is even an indie developer. SOE is arguably the oldest and most experienced North American MMORPG developer there is.

  alyndale

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8/18/14 7:23:20 AM#91
Originally posted by Dreamo84
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Rydeson
I"m going to make a game that will attract 20 million customers,  keep them hooked for years, and be the most uber awesome super D duper game ever built and dreamed about..  Everyone from casual to super raiders will love my game.... 

 

That being said.. Where is my E3 2015 award for "best game"?


 

Wheres your prof of concept?(Demo)?
Company Portfolio (company credibility)?
E3 Registration?

I mean really, E3 is an expo to show off tech demos and market things. That year, they were most intrigued with EQN. End of story.

Yeah, maybe if he produces an awesome demo, some concept art, hires a company like StoryBricks. And then has 15 years of MMORPG experience as a company people will believe him.

People are acting like these were just a couple of bums off the street who said "Hey guys! This game will be awesome" and then they got Best in Show. Good lord... it's not like this is even an indie developer. SOE is arguably the oldest and most experienced North American MMORPG developer ther/nods in agreement,

/nods in agreement,

Yep exactly, and well stated Dreamo. Let the disission stand. It is over and done with and now a part of history. Shall we move on?

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  Distopia

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8/18/14 7:28:57 AM#92
Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

Why not question it? Are we all so brainwashed that we do not ask questions any more?

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That's what intelligent human beings do, ask questions.

There's nothing to get poetic about here, it's a matter of what they saw and how they felt about it. They're not judging games with these awards, they're judging presentations. They happened to feel SOE put up the best presentation that they saw.

Not sure where you see the poetry in my reply, but that aside, it was crowned BEST GAME OF SHOW not BEST PRESENTATION OF AN EVENTUALLY RELEASED GAME BUT MAYBE NOT EVER GOING TO BE RELEASED OR LOOK LIKE WHAT WAS SHOWN.

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  DMKano

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OP  8/18/14 7:36:52 AM#93
Originally posted by Dreamo84
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Rydeson
I"m going to make a game that will attract 20 million customers,  keep them hooked for years, and be the most uber awesome super D duper game ever built and dreamed about..  Everyone from casual to super raiders will love my game.... 

 

That being said.. Where is my E3 2015 award for "best game"?


 

Wheres your prof of concept?(Demo)?
Company Portfolio (company credibility)?
E3 Registration?

I mean really, E3 is an expo to show off tech demos and market things. That year, they were most intrigued with EQN. End of story.

Yeah, maybe if he produces an awesome demo, some concept art, hires a company like StoryBricks. And then has 15 years of MMORPG experience as a company people will believe him.

People are acting like these were just a couple of bums off the street who said "Hey guys! This game will be awesome" and then they got Best in Show. Good lord... it's not like this is even an indie developer. SOE is arguably the oldest and most experienced North American MMORPG developer there is.

 

And that is exactly the issue - SoE as one of the oldest and most experienced developers showing MMORPG and TenTonHammer staff, I can see how they would be very quick to BELIEVE what they were seeing is a game and not some early prototype.

It's a lot easier for SoE/Blizzard/ _large_dev_studio - to impress and *inadvertantly* mislead the press about the real state of the project.

And that's the issue here - Best in Show - we know what it implies not "idea", not "presentation" 

It's best GAME in show. 

Again I am not blaming SoE here - they put on a great presentation and their clout made the prototype seem further along in process in the eyes of the press.

 

But a mistake was made, none the less IMO

  Mendel

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8/18/14 10:22:56 AM#94
Originally posted by Gallus85
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For one, the games were played by the devs at both E3 and SOE Live.  It wasn't a pre-render or CGI cutscene.

Second, that goes to show how bad ass EQN is.  It blew away the competition even in a very early state lol.  I think it speaks more for the game in a positive light than it does say anything negative about MMORPG.com or TTH.

What is the highlighted statement based on?

I saw the demo videos from SOE Live 2013.  It could have been anything, from prerecorded video to actual game play.  There is/was no evidence that anyone (developers only) sitting at the keyboards had any influence over the action on the screens.  I thought at the time that these 'game play demos' could have been made with any of a number of video creation programs and simply replayed while the keyboard personnel hammered away (with hidden interfaces) pretending to 'move' and 'control' their characters.  I had no sense of the persons having direct, immediate control over the characters appearing on-screen.

Could it have been as stated, an actual playable demo?  Sure.  But without credible, reliable hands-on experience from third party players, it could have been staged.  This site (and others) lost that credibility with many readers (including the OP and myself) when awarding an award to a tech demo.  What little journalistic integrity this gaming site's editorial staff may have had was subsequently undermined by the revelations of SOE Live 2013.

I appreciate that you believe the devs actually played the game live at the 2013 events.  But your belief doesn't apply to everyone, and that is the true legacy of SOE's treatment of its customers over the years.  Their cumulative actions have fostered a mistrust in the community.  Today. I could believe that SOE would attempt to fool the gaming press, and it doesn't seem that much of a stretch.  Whereas, in 2000 or 2001, I would have had difficulty believing such.

Bringing this back to the original post, it isn't unreasonable to think that the editorial staff of this site were simply bedazzled by a dog-and-pony show and awarded their top honor to a presentation of a game concept.  Maybe next time, there will be scantily clad dancers involved.

 

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  GeezerGamer

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8/18/14 10:41:50 AM#95
Originally posted by alyndale
Originally posted by Dreamo84
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by Rydeson
I"m going to make a game that will attract 20 million customers,  keep them hooked for years, and be the most uber awesome super D duper game ever built and dreamed about..  Everyone from casual to super raiders will love my game.... 

 

That being said.. Where is my E3 2015 award for "best game"?


 

Wheres your prof of concept?(Demo)?
Company Portfolio (company credibility)?
E3 Registration?

I mean really, E3 is an expo to show off tech demos and market things. That year, they were most intrigued with EQN. End of story.

Yeah, maybe if he produces an awesome demo, some concept art, hires a company like StoryBricks. And then has 15 years of MMORPG experience as a company people will believe him.

People are acting like these were just a couple of bums off the street who said "Hey guys! This game will be awesome" and then they got Best in Show. Good lord... it's not like this is even an indie developer. SOE is arguably the oldest and most experienced North American MMORPG developer ther/nods in agreement,

/nods in agreement,

Yep exactly, and well stated Dreamo. Let the disission stand. It is over and done with and now a part of history. Shall we move on?

Alyn

Using their resume as a source of credibility is a double edged sword. Sure, SOE has 15 years experience.  In that time, a lot of good and a lot of bad has come from them. If anything,  SOE is consistent. However, that consistency brings more than its share of questions.

 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Gallus85

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8/18/14 3:40:31 PM#96
Originally posted by Mendel
Originally posted by Gallus85

For one, the games were played by the devs at both E3 and SOE Live.  It wasn't a pre-render or CGI cutscene.

Second, that goes to show how bad ass EQN is.  It blew away the competition even in a very early state lol.  I think it speaks more for the game in a positive light than it does say anything negative about MMORPG.com or TTH.

What is the highlighted statement based on?

Based on the fact that I don't walk around town with a tinfoil hat on.  Don't ask silly questions please.

They sat there, at a computer, playing the game in front of people live.  It happened in real time.  If you want to believe that they possibly just created a movie in advance and played it for an audience while they had people "look" like they were controlling it by just sitting at a keyboard mashing buttons for no reason, then be my guest lol.  You do you, baby girl.  Rock that tinfoil hat if you want, it looks sharp. :P

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  syriinx

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8/18/14 5:52:14 PM#97
Originally posted by DMKano

 

 

And that's the issue here - Best in Show - we know what it implies not "idea", not "presentation" 

It's best GAME in show. 

 

 

But a mistake was made, none the less IMO

Yes the mistake made is 100% yours.

 

Your mistake is thinking your interpretation of Best in Show is gospel.

 

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  Allein

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8/18/14 6:43:30 PM#98
Originally posted by DMKano

And that is exactly the issue - SoE as one of the oldest and most experienced developers showing MMORPG and TenTonHammer staff, I can see how they would be very quick to BELIEVE what they were seeing is a game and not some early prototype.

It's a lot easier for SoE/Blizzard/ _large_dev_studio - to impress and *inadvertantly* mislead the press about the real state of the project.

And that's the issue here - Best in Show - we know what it implies not "idea", not "presentation" 

It's best GAME in show. 

Again I am not blaming SoE here - they put on a great presentation and their clout made the prototype seem further along in process in the eyes of the press.

But a mistake was made, none the less IMO

"What we can say is that we saw grand plans for the world's largest sandbox and it was more than enough to stand head and shoulders above any game we saw at E3."

I'm sorry you are angry and or confused. They seemed to have known exactly what EQN was/is at the time and felt it was better than anything else there. Be it napkin doodle or to be released the next day game.

It is their award to give out with their reasoning. Who are you to say they are wrong or should change?

Ego meet check, shake hands and move on.

The awards are completely pointless to begin with, but if you put so much stake in them, contact the site operators and stop complaining here.

At least don't cherry pick and go complain in all the forums about all the awards. Did any of them deserve what they received? I honestly don't think so. Seemed more of everyone is a winner syndrome that is common in society today. EQN could of taken any other of those awards or all of them from my view. Of course you obviously dislike the game and would only give "Worst pre-alpha concept design Ever".

  donpopuki

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8/18/14 6:51:21 PM#99
What I take away is this is what passes as best in show for mmorpg.com and tentonhammer.com. Noted
  DMKano

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OP  8/18/14 8:06:34 PM#100
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by DMKano

And that is exactly the issue - SoE as one of the oldest and most experienced developers showing MMORPG and TenTonHammer staff, I can see how they would be very quick to BELIEVE what they were seeing is a game and not some early prototype.

It's a lot easier for SoE/Blizzard/ _large_dev_studio - to impress and *inadvertantly* mislead the press about the real state of the project.

And that's the issue here - Best in Show - we know what it implies not "idea", not "presentation" 

It's best GAME in show. 

Again I am not blaming SoE here - they put on a great presentation and their clout made the prototype seem further along in process in the eyes of the press.

But a mistake was made, none the less IMO

"What we can say is that we saw grand plans for the world's largest sandbox and it was more than enough to stand head and shoulders above any game we saw at E3."

I'm sorry you are angry and or confused. They seemed to have known exactly what EQN was/is at the time and felt it was better than anything else there. Be it napkin doodle or to be released the next day game.

It is their award to give out with their reasoning. Who are you to say they are wrong or should change?

Ego meet check, shake hands and move on.

The awards are completely pointless to begin with, but if you put so much stake in them, contact the site operators and stop complaining here.

At least don't cherry pick and go complain in all the forums about all the awards. Did any of them deserve what they received? I honestly don't think so. Seemed more of everyone is a winner syndrome that is common in society today. EQN could of taken any other of those awards or all of them from my view. Of course you obviously dislike the game and would only give "Worst pre-alpha concept design Ever".

No anger nor confusion here - that is your interpretation.

I take no issue with quality of EQNext at all in this thread.

My issue remains - there was no game, hence best in show game award is inapplicable.

 

 

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