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General Discussion  » Knowing the state of EQNext today, I wonder if TenTonHammer and MMORPG have any regrets over e3 best in show award 2013?

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  Bigdaddyx

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Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 2047

8/17/14 1:16:50 PM#61
Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

Why not question it? Are we all so brainwashed that we do not ask questions any more?

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That's what intelligent human beings do, ask questions.

There's nothing to get poetic about here, it's a matter of what they saw and how they felt about it. They're not judging games with these awards, they're judging presentations. They happened to feel SOE put up the best presentation that they saw.

Not sure where you see the poetry in my reply, but that aside, it was crowned BEST GAME OF SHOW not BEST PRESENTATION OF AN EVENTUALLY RELEASED GAME BUT MAYBE NOT EVER GOING TO BE RELEASED OR LOOK LIKE WHAT WAS SHOWN.

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How did you come up with poetic? Something you heard on TV?

Can't believe that people even think like that. This is not some indie company trying to suck money out of ignorant people. This is SOE who has too much at stake when it comes to EQ franchise.

Look at EQ and EQ2 and the amount of content it is getting after all these years and you really believe SOE is going to scam people with EQ next? SOE exists today because of EQ franchise.

Please think before you start typing.

  Allein

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Joined: 6/11/13
Posts: 1418

8/17/14 1:56:56 PM#62
Originally posted by DMKano

It wouldn't have made any difference what game this was - and it shouldn't to anybody.

If ArcheAge, WoW, EvE *whatever* was shown in early pre-concpt unplayable state - it needs to be immediately disqualified as there is no *game* yet.

I am critical of the process  - and you make allegations and call me names over a simple question?

Then why ask in the EQN forum, now that SOE Live is happening and EQN news is on the front page, and a year after the award was given out?

Is the award now in question for some reason? Are the people that gave the award now in absolute shock that EQN isn't completed (because it was clearly wasn't going to be when the award was given out)?

No problem being critical, but I just find it amusing how you choose to be so. Sorry for calling you names (hater) but pretty much ever post you've ever made about EQN comes off as such. Someone that takes time to post negative comments over and over about something they appear to not like is a "hater" in my book. You are a very strong disliker with nothing constructive to say? Should I post random photos without any context to help explain....

  Allein

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Joined: 6/11/13
Posts: 1418

8/17/14 2:03:03 PM#63
Originally posted by DMKano

SoE can say what they want about EQNext - I don't believe the 60% figure, everyone should be questioning it - games that are 60% finished are alpha state playable.

- look at H1Z1 - its playable, its in a much more finished state. 

If SoE showed H1Z1 and got best in show at least it would be fitting as its playable a year later. (note I am not suggesting that H1Z1 is better, I am saying its more finished hence more eligible)

So you are the all knowing game master? Seriously you think they are just straight lying? Why? They could of said 10%, would it of made a difference?

Show me the rule book that says 60% = Alpha.

Have you seen Landmark? It is playable. Combat, AI to be added next week. Whatever works in Landmark works in EQN. You must be another person hearing the whoosh sound on how SOE is developing both games. You watched the EQN combat of new class presentation? How do you think they managed that without it being playable? Heck EQH said that they "played" the earlier version of EQN in the more EQ3 stage. What you get to see might not be the whole picture.

H1Z1 is "playable" as well, also a much simpler game. Although they missed there "deadline" of when players would have access by quite a bit as well. At least Landmark has been playable since January.

Again, I get that you might not like how games are starting to be judged, but why not ask those making the call? Has no place here just stirring up trouble. Also don't get why you even care. MMORPG.Com Best Game of Year-E3-Century is important to you?

  k61977

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Joined: 4/25/12
Posts: 145

8/17/14 2:11:02 PM#64
Originally posted by Tamanous

I thought it was very well presented to us that EQNext simply will not be playable until Landmark is mostly complete as too many tools are shared. EQNext was said to be about 60% done but not the right bits to make it playable.

 

Think of it like a torrent. Even though you dl'd 60% of it it doesn't mean you can play it yet.

 

OP's frustration is the inability to play it as soon as he wants. This is NEVER an issue for Blizzard. Why is that? Because they say their games are ready when they are ready. SOE says the exact same thing about this game yet that isn't good for you? Why?

 

The game being ready earlier has no connection to how good the game may be. In fact it would likely make it worse. Some website getty giggitty over the game only mean SOE does a good job at promoting and websites drink the kool-aid. When the game comes out it won't matter how many rewards it gets prior. There is no connection with the quality of release ready product.

 

Chill.

You hit the nail on the head.  They have stated a couple times that Landmark is the building blocks that EQNext will be built on.  They are using it to test things before they even really start with EQNext as a playable game.  So until Landmark officially releases don't except an Alpha for EQNext.

 

I would rather wait and get a good game done right than them rush it out half complete and have to patch the game for months to be playable.

 

I do understand Kano's point on it being named best in show when it isn't released yet though.  That should be a standard for that title is it is released.

  Allein

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Joined: 6/11/13
Posts: 1418

8/17/14 2:16:12 PM#65
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

I'm being absolutely serious. This is how the world works.

As per SOE... believe what you see, not what they say. Anybody who swallows the line that EQN is "60% finished" is simply being delusional in hopes that the game will magically show up tomorrow. If they had something more to show at SOE Live, you could bet your last dollar they would have shown it. Heck, all you have to do is take a look at SOE as a company to see whats happening. Free Realms has been shut down. They've honed their publicly available games on the All Access down to the 4 that still generate funds(EQ, EQ2, DCUO, and PlanetSide 2), and have been using those funds for new development. The expansions themselves(for EQ and EQ2) are getting so small they can barely be called expansions with a straight face. But they'll still be looking for $40, of course.

The fact is, they're currently in a state of strangulation(not having funds for new games, not having new games finished to a point they can adequately  provide new funds) and a death spiral as a company and doing whatever they can to get those new games finished ASAP. But without the resources to put into it up front, they're having to do as much of it on the cheap as possible as they generate funds, and its taking forever. Anyone who doesn't realize they're going for MVP (Minimum Viable Product) before pushing whatever that is to release so they can generate fundage to make the rest, simply hasn't been paying attention. There is actually a fairly good chance that they might not get on the other side of that death spiral at all and simply go under.

Did you watch their "Grand Banquet" last night on Twitch? I did. At least they stayed on theme of 'you do all the work, we don't have the money'. It largely consisted of three things: the usual cosplay contest winners that took forever, a 'talent show' by the fans that was easily one of the most cringeworthy affairs I think that I've ever seen front a con, and then bingo night at SOE where they give out sponsor products for half an hour. Smedley didn't even bother to show his face.

60% could be pretty much anything. Combat could be 1%, all 40 classes could be 1% together. 60% is meaningless without context. They set the % and feel they have that much of their game completed. Without any proof of it being otherwise, I'll take their word, but I'm not going "OMG 40% to go, it will be here tomorrow!"

You assume much. They might have an internal release schedule and don't want to show off too much too soon. Yes they could, but not required. Combat was shown last year. Yet it is just now making it into Landmark. We have no clue what is going on internally.

Can you back up your "facts"? You know how much EQ1/2, Landmark, DCUO, and PS2 are bringing in? Please share.

How long have you been a SOE customer? Do you know anything about Fan Faire or SOE Live and how it works? It isn't and never has been BlizzCon status. Totally different event. 

You appear to have made this account solely for EQN, not sure what went wrong, but interesting how your tune as changed.

  Victor_Kruger

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Joined: 8/04/13
Posts: 218

8/17/14 2:27:32 PM#66
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

I'm being absolutely serious. This is how the world works.

As per SOE... believe what you see, not what they say. Anybody who swallows the line that EQN is "60% finished" is simply being delusional in hopes that the game will magically show up tomorrow. If they had something more to show at SOE Live, you could bet your last dollar they would have shown it. Heck, all you have to do is take a look at SOE as a company to see whats happening. Free Realms has been shut down. They've honed their publicly available games on the All Access down to the 4 that still generate funds(EQ, EQ2, DCUO, and PlanetSide 2), and have been using those funds for new development. The expansions themselves(for EQ and EQ2) are getting so small they can barely be called expansions with a straight face. But they'll still be looking for $40, of course.

The fact is, they're currently in a state of strangulation(not having funds for new games, not having new games finished to a point they can adequately  provide new funds) and a death spiral as a company and doing whatever they can to get those new games finished ASAP. But without the resources to put into it up front, they're having to do as much of it on the cheap as possible as they generate funds, and its taking forever. Anyone who doesn't realize they're going for MVP (Minimum Viable Product) before pushing whatever that is to release so they can generate fundage to make the rest, simply hasn't been paying attention. There is actually a fairly good chance that they might not get on the other side of that death spiral at all and simply go under.

Did you watch their "Grand Banquet" last night on Twitch? I did. At least they stayed on theme of 'you do all the work, we don't have the money'. It largely consisted of three things: the usual cosplay contest winners that took forever, a 'talent show' by the fans that was easily one of the most cringeworthy affairs I think that I've ever seen front a con, and then bingo night at SOE where they give out sponsor products for half an hour. Smedley didn't even bother to show his face.

60% could be pretty much anything. Combat could be 1%, all 40 classes could be 1% together. 60% is meaningless without context. They set the % and feel they have that much of their game completed. Without any proof of it being otherwise, I'll take their word, but I'm not going "OMG 40% to go, it will be here tomorrow!"

You assume much. They might have an internal release schedule and don't want to show off too much too soon. Yes they could, but not required. Combat was shown last year. Yet it is just now making it into Landmark. We have no clue what is going on internally.

Can you back up your "facts"? You know how much EQ1/2, Landmark, DCUO, and PS2 are bringing in? Please share.

How long have you been a SOE customer? Do you know anything about Fan Faire or SOE Live and how it works? It isn't and never has been BlizzCon status. Totally different event. 

You appear to have made this account solely for EQN, not sure what went wrong, but interesting how your tune as changed.

Yeah its amazing some people here are stating assumptions as facts. 

  Quillim

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Joined: 8/03/13
Posts: 66

8/17/14 3:59:16 PM#67
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

I'm being absolutely serious. This is how the world works.

As per SOE... believe what you see, not what they say. Anybody who swallows the line that EQN is "60% finished" is simply being delusional in hopes that the game will magically show up tomorrow. If they had something more to show at SOE Live, you could bet your last dollar they would have shown it. Heck, all you have to do is take a look at SOE as a company to see whats happening. Free Realms has been shut down. They've honed their publicly available games on the All Access down to the 4 that still generate funds(EQ, EQ2, DCUO, and PlanetSide 2), and have been using those funds for new development. The expansions themselves(for EQ and EQ2) are getting so small they can barely be called expansions with a straight face. But they'll still be looking for $40, of course.

The fact is, they're currently in a state of strangulation(not having funds for new games, not having new games finished to a point they can adequately  provide new funds) and a death spiral as a company and doing whatever they can to get those new games finished ASAP. But without the resources to put into it up front, they're having to do as much of it on the cheap as possible as they generate funds, and its taking forever. Anyone who doesn't realize they're going for MVP (Minimum Viable Product) before pushing whatever that is to release so they can generate fundage to make the rest, simply hasn't been paying attention. There is actually a fairly good chance that they might not get on the other side of that death spiral at all and simply go under.

Did you watch their "Grand Banquet" last night on Twitch? I did. At least they stayed on theme of 'you do all the work, we don't have the money'. It largely consisted of three things: the usual cosplay contest winners that took forever, a 'talent show' by the fans that was easily one of the most cringeworthy affairs I think that I've ever seen front a con, and then bingo night at SOE where they give out sponsor products for half an hour. Smedley didn't even bother to show his face.

60% could be pretty much anything. Combat could be 1%, all 40 classes could be 1% together. 60% is meaningless without context. They set the % and feel they have that much of their game completed. Without any proof of it being otherwise, I'll take their word, but I'm not going "OMG 40% to go, it will be here tomorrow!"

You assume much. They might have an internal release schedule and don't want to show off too much too soon. Yes they could, but not required. Combat was shown last year. Yet it is just now making it into Landmark. We have no clue what is going on internally.

Can you back up your "facts"? You know how much EQ1/2, Landmark, DCUO, and PS2 are bringing in? Please share.

How long have you been a SOE customer? Do you know anything about Fan Faire or SOE Live and how it works? It isn't and never has been BlizzCon status. Totally different event. 

You appear to have made this account solely for EQN, not sure what went wrong, but interesting how your tune as changed.

I've been a customer of theirs for 12 years. I know how the place works. Sony Online Entertainment burned their credibility with fans years ago. That *anyone* takes their word on face value is the sign of a delusional mark hoping and praying for better days and getting pissed when anyone impedes on that fantasy with simple things like facts.

Your trying to lead me down a strawman argument not withstanding, the games they've decided to keep active are the ones they make money from. That's just simple business sense. If they were losing money on a game, they'd shut it down to push more into development.

And yes, I'm well aware of how Fan Faire works and have even attended some of them. Even within SOE Fan Faire's, what they put on was Fan Faire Lite. Short on panels, kept the core fronting 'dev team' to a minimum, didn't even bother having Smed show up to rally the troops, etc. Like the famously thinning # of zones, everything keeps getting lighter and lighter on content.

If it helps you any, I honestly do believe they're on the right track with EQN... but I'm not sure they'll get on the other side of it before going under. And make no mistake, right now they're at about a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not they get to final release of either product. Keep in mind they've already been working on EQN for 4-5 years and gone through at least 2 iterations. I first saw a lot of the base EQ Next stuff at SOE Live *2010*.

One of the things that people seem to forget about Blizzard is that the development of World of Warcraft nearly bankrupted that company outright and they put every last dollar they had on it. I feel safe in saying that SOE is doing much of the same, but make no mistake, there is no guarantee they'll make it to the promised land like Blizzard. Right now its completely up in the air, and while they're trying to put a good face on it by throwing out fantasy numbers they think you'll eat up like 60%, they really don't know if they'll make it there either.

 

  Quillim

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Joined: 8/03/13
Posts: 66

8/17/14 4:06:45 PM#68
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by DMKano

SoE can say what they want about EQNext - I don't believe the 60% figure, everyone should be questioning it - games that are 60% finished are alpha state playable.

- look at H1Z1 - its playable, its in a much more finished state. 

If SoE showed H1Z1 and got best in show at least it would be fitting as its playable a year later. (note I am not suggesting that H1Z1 is better, I am saying its more finished hence more eligible)

So you are the all knowing game master? Seriously you think they are just straight lying? Why? They could of said 10%, would it of made a difference?

Because they're Sony Online Entertainment. Lying to customers is what they're known for. The more appropriate question is... why would you think they aren't lying? Let me guess... you haven't been a customer in years and simply remember the days of old? The company has been falling apart over the last couple years and they've been doing everything they can to stem the tide while they try to get EQ Next up and running in order to save the company.

The ones who defend SOE the most are also the ones that know the least about it.

  Victor_Kruger

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Joined: 8/04/13
Posts: 218

8/17/14 4:11:47 PM#69
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

I'm being absolutely serious. This is how the world works.

As per SOE... believe what you see, not what they say. Anybody who swallows the line that EQN is "60% finished" is simply being delusional in hopes that the game will magically show up tomorrow. If they had something more to show at SOE Live, you could bet your last dollar they would have shown it. Heck, all you have to do is take a look at SOE as a company to see whats happening. Free Realms has been shut down. They've honed their publicly available games on the All Access down to the 4 that still generate funds(EQ, EQ2, DCUO, and PlanetSide 2), and have been using those funds for new development. The expansions themselves(for EQ and EQ2) are getting so small they can barely be called expansions with a straight face. But they'll still be looking for $40, of course.

The fact is, they're currently in a state of strangulation(not having funds for new games, not having new games finished to a point they can adequately  provide new funds) and a death spiral as a company and doing whatever they can to get those new games finished ASAP. But without the resources to put into it up front, they're having to do as much of it on the cheap as possible as they generate funds, and its taking forever. Anyone who doesn't realize they're going for MVP (Minimum Viable Product) before pushing whatever that is to release so they can generate fundage to make the rest, simply hasn't been paying attention. There is actually a fairly good chance that they might not get on the other side of that death spiral at all and simply go under.

Did you watch their "Grand Banquet" last night on Twitch? I did. At least they stayed on theme of 'you do all the work, we don't have the money'. It largely consisted of three things: the usual cosplay contest winners that took forever, a 'talent show' by the fans that was easily one of the most cringeworthy affairs I think that I've ever seen front a con, and then bingo night at SOE where they give out sponsor products for half an hour. Smedley didn't even bother to show his face.

60% could be pretty much anything. Combat could be 1%, all 40 classes could be 1% together. 60% is meaningless without context. They set the % and feel they have that much of their game completed. Without any proof of it being otherwise, I'll take their word, but I'm not going "OMG 40% to go, it will be here tomorrow!"

You assume much. They might have an internal release schedule and don't want to show off too much too soon. Yes they could, but not required. Combat was shown last year. Yet it is just now making it into Landmark. We have no clue what is going on internally.

Can you back up your "facts"? You know how much EQ1/2, Landmark, DCUO, and PS2 are bringing in? Please share.

How long have you been a SOE customer? Do you know anything about Fan Faire or SOE Live and how it works? It isn't and never has been BlizzCon status. Totally different event. 

You appear to have made this account solely for EQN, not sure what went wrong, but interesting how your tune as changed.

I've been a customer of theirs for 12 years. I know how the place works. Sony Online Entertainment burned their credibility with fans years ago. That *anyone* takes their word on face value is the sign of a delusional mark hoping and praying for better days and getting pissed when anyone impedes on that fantasy with simple things like facts.

Your trying to lead me down a strawman argument not withstanding, the games they've decided to keep active are the ones they make money from. That's just simple business sense. If they were losing money on a game, they'd shut it down to push more into development.

And yes, I'm well aware of how Fan Faire works and have even attended some of them. Even within SOE Fan Faire's, what they put on was Fan Faire Lite. Short on panels, kept the core fronting 'dev team' to a minimum, didn't even bother having Smed show up to rally the troops, etc. Like the famously thinning # of zones, everything keeps getting lighter and lighter on content.

If it helps you any, I honestly do believe they're on the right track with EQN... but I'm not sure they'll get on the other side of it before going under. And make no mistake, right now they're at about a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not they get to release of either product. Keep in mind they've already been working on EQN for 4-5 years and gone through at least 2 iterations. I first saw a lot of the base EQ Next stuff at SOE Live *2010*.

One of the things that people seem to forget about Blizzard is that the development of World of Warcraft nearly bankrupted that company outright and they put every last dollar they had on it. I feel safe in saying that SOE is doing much of the same, but make no mistake, there is no guarantee they'll make it to the promised land like Blizzard. Right now its completely up in the air, and while they're trying to put a good face on it by throwing out fantasy numbers they think you'll eat up like 60%, they really don't know if they'll make it there either.

 

Still assumption by you are not facts, you still don't really know anything about the company's situation. You are just making guesses base off your own observation and bias opinion.

  Allein

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Joined: 6/11/13
Posts: 1418

8/17/14 5:21:59 PM#70
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein

60% could be pretty much anything. Combat could be 1%, all 40 classes could be 1% together. 60% is meaningless without context. They set the % and feel they have that much of their game completed. Without any proof of it being otherwise, I'll take their word, but I'm not going "OMG 40% to go, it will be here tomorrow!"

You assume much. They might have an internal release schedule and don't want to show off too much too soon. Yes they could, but not required. Combat was shown last year. Yet it is just now making it into Landmark. We have no clue what is going on internally.

Can you back up your "facts"? You know how much EQ1/2, Landmark, DCUO, and PS2 are bringing in? Please share.

How long have you been a SOE customer? Do you know anything about Fan Faire or SOE Live and how it works? It isn't and never has been BlizzCon status. Totally different event. 

You appear to have made this account solely for EQN, not sure what went wrong, but interesting how your tune as changed.

I've been a customer of theirs for 12 years. I know how the place works. Sony Online Entertainment burned their credibility with fans years ago. That *anyone* takes their word on face value is the sign of a delusional mark hoping and praying for better days and getting pissed when anyone impedes on that fantasy with simple things like facts.

Again, where are these facts? Who nominated you as the spokesperson for all gamers? They still have credibility with me as I don't hold silly grudges against a company, devs, or a game.

Your trying to lead me down a strawman argument not withstanding, the games they've decided to keep active are the ones they make money from. That's just simple business sense. If they were losing money on a game, they'd shut it down to push more into development.

So they are making money off their current line up or are suffering terribly? I'm confused. Or just making enough to keep the lights on? Where exactly do you find their financial records?

And yes, I'm well aware of how Fan Faire works and have even attended some of them. Even within SOE Fan Faire's, what they put on was Fan Faire Lite. Short on panels, kept the core fronting 'dev team' to a minimum, didn't even bother having Smed show up to rally the troops, etc. Like the famously thinning # of zones, everything keeps getting lighter and lighter on content.

I don't know the ins and outs of every single SOE Live, but could you please point me to a year where it was "more" than what was this year? Smed was there, not that he brings much for me, but what would you have liked him to do differently?

If it helps you any, I honestly do believe they're on the right track with EQN... but I'm not sure they'll get on the other side of it before going under. And make no mistake, right now they're at about a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not they get to final release of either product. Keep in mind they've already been working on EQN for 4-5 years and gone through at least 2 iterations. I first saw a lot of the base EQ Next stuff at SOE Live *2010*.

You saw "a lot" in 2010? What do you see that the rest of us missed? Or you talking a couple concept art pieces as being more than Landmark and everything shown for EQN? Again, 50/50, where are you getting your numbers. Can't tell if you are serious, trolling, or what. Making such statements seems pretty silly.

One of the things that people seem to forget about Blizzard is that the development of World of Warcraft nearly bankrupted that company outright and they put every last dollar they had on it. I feel safe in saying that SOE is doing much of the same, but make no mistake, there is no guarantee they'll make it to the promised land like Blizzard. Right now its completely up in the air, and while they're trying to put a good face on it by throwing out fantasy numbers they think you'll eat up like 60%, they really don't know if they'll make it there either.

I feel like a broken record, but you keep saying these same things as fact. Please provide proof or at least admit it is just your opinion which is fine.

Not sure if you play any other games or what your deal is, but seems you made this account for the reveal last year, went missing until this year's SOE Live and I'm assuming will be gone again. Seems very odd. No idea if you've been playing Landmark and taking part in helping EQN come along through the Workshops or anything, but if you aren't happy and think SOE is on the brink of failure, oh well I guess. Good luck with whatever you do.

Seems kind of like a waste of time coming here to bad mouth SOE. Not sure what the point is. Just as I'm confused why some that dislike EQN waste their time going on and on about it. Has to be something more constructive you could be doing. This is how I spend my free time, but it brings me enjoyment, I feel bad if being so negative is making you happy. Not a fun way to live.

  Allein

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Joined: 6/11/13
Posts: 1418

8/17/14 5:23:43 PM#71
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by DMKano

SoE can say what they want about EQNext - I don't believe the 60% figure, everyone should be questioning it - games that are 60% finished are alpha state playable.

- look at H1Z1 - its playable, its in a much more finished state. 

If SoE showed H1Z1 and got best in show at least it would be fitting as its playable a year later. (note I am not suggesting that H1Z1 is better, I am saying its more finished hence more eligible)

So you are the all knowing game master? Seriously you think they are just straight lying? Why? They could of said 10%, would it of made a difference?

Because they're Sony Online Entertainment. Lying to customers is what they're known for. The more appropriate question is... why would you think they aren't lying? Let me guess... you haven't been a customer in years and simply remember the days of old? The company has been falling apart over the last couple years and they've been doing everything they can to stem the tide while they try to get EQ Next up and running in order to save the company.

The ones who defend SOE the most are also the ones that know the least about it.

Been a customer since 99. Stopped playing EQ when WoW came out, dabbled here and there over the years, but no haven't stuck with them solely as I'm a gamer, not a one company fanboi. Started playing PS2 which has been great for me and DCUO is fun, but not my type of game. They've handled Landmark very well in my eyes and I see no lying going on.

I do remember the days of old when they totally changed EQ and caused me to look for other games. Also know of SWG and their terrible "F2P" for EQ/EQ2, etc. Not an idiot, but I'm also not blinded by hype or hate. Companies can make horrible mistakes for years and years, but if they come out with a quality product I enjoy, I'm not going to pass it by or dwell in the past.

I'm not defending SOE, but if you are going to attempt to pass your opinion as "fact" at least have some data to back it up, not just your personal view and assumptions. I live in San Diego, I see you live in El Cajon, lets camp out front of SOE until they tell us the truth! The lies are killing me!

  Gallus85

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Posts: 1119

8/17/14 7:10:13 PM#72
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Loke666

They did make a great presentation and therefore won the price. Doesn't mean that the game are close to release or tell us much about how good the game really is but it still was fair.

Besides, it takes weeks to really know how good a MMO are anyways. Nothing you can learn on E3 even if they show the full game, it would just give a hint and nothing more.

SOE did put a bit too much into marketing that early though.

I am not blaming SoE for putting on a masterpiece marketing presentation - I am questioning if another studio that was not known showed off some super early pre-concept demo that was super slick, wouldn't they get asked 

Where is the game??

 

Shouldn't it at least be playable by journalists to be considered as a *game*?

 

I agree with other posters above, yes in the grand scheme of things awards mean nothing gameplay and players will be the final judge.

BUT

As far as awards go on MMO sites - that article was sort of a big deal - best in show award for a non-existing game? A promise?

This deserves some attention IMO

 

[mod edit]  Remember, the games that EQN won best in show over last year were also games that had not released yet either.  Games like Archeage and ESO.  Also, all the footage was recorded from devs playing the game while they were recorded.  They weren't just some pre-rendered CGI cutscenes mixed with promises.  They showed devs playing the game and proof that many of their ideas were already in working condition.  Then they also explained all the other features that were going to make it into the game, as well as many conventions that haven't really ever been done in a AAA MMORPG (like horizontal progression-based system).

Even if it doesn't release for another 3 years, it still showed off far more innovation than anything else at that show last year.  "Best in show" isn't some award handed out simply to the game closest to completion.

And btw, it's about 60% done, and it doesn't need to be 100% done for a closed alpha to start up for it.  EQN will be playable, probably a payed-for closed alpha, just like Landmark had, sometime within the next 6 months.

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  doodphace

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8/17/14 7:20:56 PM#73
Originally posted by DMKano

So SOE Live 2014 - EQNext is still not even in pre-alpha, we were shown a video of gameplay.

No dates for anything were announced, not even rough estimates.

The game is nowhere near ready for any kind of testing.

Yet back at E3 2013 - two reputable sites gave it the best *GAME* of the show award.

I wonder if they knew the true state of the "game" they were shown if they would have changed their minds.

The state of EQNext back at e3 2013 was pre-tech-concept demo at best.

 

Did you just call MMORPG.com, reputable? The same MMORPG.com that ran with that bogus 7 million GW2 number, even after aNet debunked it?

  SlyLoK

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8/17/14 8:13:00 PM#74
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

I'm being absolutely serious. This is how the world works.

As per SOE... believe what you see, not what they say. Anybody who swallows the line that EQN is "60% finished" is simply being delusional in hopes that the game will magically show up tomorrow. If they had something more to show at SOE Live, you could bet your last dollar they would have shown it. Heck, all you have to do is take a look at SOE as a company to see whats happening. Free Realms has been shut down. They've honed their publicly available games on the All Access down to the 4 that still generate funds(EQ, EQ2, DCUO, and PlanetSide 2), and have been using those funds for new development. The expansions themselves(for EQ and EQ2) are getting so small they can barely be called expansions with a straight face. But they'll still be looking for $40, of course.

The fact is, they're currently in a state of strangulation(not having funds for new games, not having new games finished to a point they can adequately  provide new funds) and a death spiral as a company and doing whatever they can to get those new games finished ASAP. But without the resources to put into it up front, they're having to do as much of it on the cheap as possible as they generate funds, and its taking forever. Anyone who doesn't realize they're going for MVP (Minimum Viable Product) before pushing whatever that is to release so they can generate fundage to make the rest, simply hasn't been paying attention. There is actually a fairly good chance that they might not get on the other side of that death spiral at all and simply go under.

Did you watch their "Grand Banquet" last night on Twitch? I did. At least they stayed on theme of 'you do all the work, we don't have the money'. It largely consisted of three things: the usual cosplay contest winners that took forever, a 'talent show' by the fans that was easily one of the most cringeworthy affairs I think that I've ever seen front a con, and then bingo night at SOE where they give out sponsor products for half an hour. Smedley didn't even bother to show his face.

60% could be pretty much anything. Combat could be 1%, all 40 classes could be 1% together. 60% is meaningless without context. They set the % and feel they have that much of their game completed. Without any proof of it being otherwise, I'll take their word, but I'm not going "OMG 40% to go, it will be here tomorrow!"

You assume much. They might have an internal release schedule and don't want to show off too much too soon. Yes they could, but not required. Combat was shown last year. Yet it is just now making it into Landmark. We have no clue what is going on internally.

Can you back up your "facts"? You know how much EQ1/2, Landmark, DCUO, and PS2 are bringing in? Please share.

How long have you been a SOE customer? Do you know anything about Fan Faire or SOE Live and how it works? It isn't and never has been BlizzCon status. Totally different event. 

You appear to have made this account solely for EQN, not sure what went wrong, but interesting how your tune as changed.

I've been a customer of theirs for 12 years. I know how the place works. Sony Online Entertainment burned their credibility with fans years ago. That *anyone* takes their word on face value is the sign of a delusional mark hoping and praying for better days and getting pissed when anyone impedes on that fantasy with simple things like facts.

Your trying to lead me down a strawman argument not withstanding, the games they've decided to keep active are the ones they make money from. That's just simple business sense. If they were losing money on a game, they'd shut it down to push more into development.

And yes, I'm well aware of how Fan Faire works and have even attended some of them. Even within SOE Fan Faire's, what they put on was Fan Faire Lite. Short on panels, kept the core fronting 'dev team' to a minimum, didn't even bother having Smed show up to rally the troops, etc. Like the famously thinning # of zones, everything keeps getting lighter and lighter on content.

If it helps you any, I honestly do believe they're on the right track with EQN... but I'm not sure they'll get on the other side of it before going under. And make no mistake, right now they're at about a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not they get to final release of either product. Keep in mind they've already been working on EQN for 4-5 years and gone through at least 2 iterations. I first saw a lot of the base EQ Next stuff at SOE Live *2010*.

One of the things that people seem to forget about Blizzard is that the development of World of Warcraft nearly bankrupted that company outright and they put every last dollar they had on it. I feel safe in saying that SOE is doing much of the same, but make no mistake, there is no guarantee they'll make it to the promised land like Blizzard. Right now its completely up in the air, and while they're trying to put a good face on it by throwing out fantasy numbers they think you'll eat up like 60%, they really don't know if they'll make it there either.

 

Wait.. Vanilla WoW costed around 50 million to make didnt it? So you are saying that Blizzard barely had those funds? Doesnt sound right.

If EQN is really 60% complete then that would mean the game world ( surface area ) should be almost complete one would think with crafting , skills , items , dungeons , AI etc.. the other 40%...? But if that were the case I am sure we would have gotten some fly over shots and not just the lame stuff they showed.

  alyndale

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8/17/14 8:50:19 PM#75
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

Mark Twain

Well, well, well,

DM it seems as if you have opened a can of..well..you know. Honestly, after 8 pages of this conspiracy diatribe, here's what I have learned. DMKano apparently is quite disturbed that E 3 and and this forum' editor, Bill Murphy are apparently being "swindled" by SoE. It appears that the awards of Best in Show for reasons given to us by the OP are presumptuous at best. We further can "assume" by some other forum folk that SoE is shall we presume is about to go bankrupt and this is proven with  a 50-50 hunch. Wow, not that is very perceptible I'm sure!

Facts? Hell, who needs stinking facts!

“Everyone loves a conspiracy.”
? Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code

I mean goodness gracious just being a customer of SoE for x number of years and attending the Fanfaire/SoE Live events basically entitles one to a plethora of insider facts and figures! Sixty percent of EverQuest Next certainly is definitely alpha playable, it just has to be a fact. You know it is stated right here with just tons of affidavits and evidence proving that 60% is that magical number needed for some type of playable alpha!

This is quite a fair and unbiased thread, can't we just all see that truth in all factual numbers being shared with us to prove that SoE is just simply up to no good. Good gravy Mrs. Haverdash, hide the kids, dig a ten foot deep panic room out back they're coming to get your internet and computer! Those evil folk over at SoE have conspiracy written in their daily logs and well it's just not safe any more fer man nor beast in this here gaming world!

I guess it must be time to play "Taps" for that wicked old SoE. They are all but done and well, I'll just admit it myself. EQ: Next..well EQ: Next is uhm..vaporware isn't it? Apparently we all know that Jeff Butler, Terry Michaels, Dave G., and whole crazy mixed kit and kaboodle out there in wacky San Diego are simply pulling a fast one on us and stealing our hard earned gaming dollars with a game that is or maybe is not 60% completed!

How enlightening this thread has been. Boy I guess I need to write my congressman and maybe he'll go get'em up in Congress. We just simply can no longer stand for this in our gaming universe. Just think of all the hours of sleep we're going to miss tonight worrying about those swindling hyenas at SoE! Oh wait, Congress hasn't done squat in several years. Sheesh we ARE in trouble! Damn!

Well hopefully we have some former or maybe even current employees from SoE that come forward and confirm this evil that has befallen us this day. After all we all know how very, very important mmo's are in our daily lives. This just can no longer be tolerated!

/sarcasm off

...walks to the kitchen to make popcorn for the next 8 pages of enlightenment!

Rock on!

Alyn

 

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Just gimme some truth
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  Quillim

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8/17/14 10:01:00 PM#76
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by DMKano

SoE can say what they want about EQNext - I don't believe the 60% figure, everyone should be questioning it - games that are 60% finished are alpha state playable.

- look at H1Z1 - its playable, its in a much more finished state. 

If SoE showed H1Z1 and got best in show at least it would be fitting as its playable a year later. (note I am not suggesting that H1Z1 is better, I am saying its more finished hence more eligible)

So you are the all knowing game master? Seriously you think they are just straight lying? Why? They could of said 10%, would it of made a difference?

Because they're Sony Online Entertainment. Lying to customers is what they're known for. The more appropriate question is... why would you think they aren't lying? Let me guess... you haven't been a customer in years and simply remember the days of old? The company has been falling apart over the last couple years and they've been doing everything they can to stem the tide while they try to get EQ Next up and running in order to save the company.

The ones who defend SOE the most are also the ones that know the least about it.

I'm not defending SOE, but if you are going to attempt to pass your opinion as "fact" at least have some data to back it up, not just your personal view and assumptions. I live in San Diego, I see you live in El Cajon, lets camp out front of SOE until they tell us the truth! The lies are killing me!

Lol.. #OccupySOE?

  Sovrath

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8/17/14 10:06:40 PM#77
Originally posted by Quizzical
The award was for which pre-release game seemed most promising at the time.  It has about as much meaning as preseason college football rankings.  If a correction is necessary, the launch review, or perhaps an article announcing the cancellation of the game, will serve just fine as that correction.

Pretty much this.

The award is for what they saw at the moment compared to everything at that show. Maybe even what they thought was the potential.

It's not for playing the game inside and out, kicking the tires for weeks on end, running it through its paces.

  Quillim

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8/17/14 10:24:58 PM#78
Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

I'm being absolutely serious. This is how the world works.

As per SOE... believe what you see, not what they say. Anybody who swallows the line that EQN is "60% finished" is simply being delusional in hopes that the game will magically show up tomorrow. If they had something more to show at SOE Live, you could bet your last dollar they would have shown it. Heck, all you have to do is take a look at SOE as a company to see whats happening. Free Realms has been shut down. They've honed their publicly available games on the All Access down to the 4 that still generate funds(EQ, EQ2, DCUO, and PlanetSide 2), and have been using those funds for new development. The expansions themselves(for EQ and EQ2) are getting so small they can barely be called expansions with a straight face. But they'll still be looking for $40, of course.

The fact is, they're currently in a state of strangulation(not having funds for new games, not having new games finished to a point they can adequately  provide new funds) and a death spiral as a company and doing whatever they can to get those new games finished ASAP. But without the resources to put into it up front, they're having to do as much of it on the cheap as possible as they generate funds, and its taking forever. Anyone who doesn't realize they're going for MVP (Minimum Viable Product) before pushing whatever that is to release so they can generate fundage to make the rest, simply hasn't been paying attention. There is actually a fairly good chance that they might not get on the other side of that death spiral at all and simply go under.

Did you watch their "Grand Banquet" last night on Twitch? I did. At least they stayed on theme of 'you do all the work, we don't have the money'. It largely consisted of three things: the usual cosplay contest winners that took forever, a 'talent show' by the fans that was easily one of the most cringeworthy affairs I think that I've ever seen front a con, and then bingo night at SOE where they give out sponsor products for half an hour. Smedley didn't even bother to show his face.

60% could be pretty much anything. Combat could be 1%, all 40 classes could be 1% together. 60% is meaningless without context. They set the % and feel they have that much of their game completed. Without any proof of it being otherwise, I'll take their word, but I'm not going "OMG 40% to go, it will be here tomorrow!"

You assume much. They might have an internal release schedule and don't want to show off too much too soon. Yes they could, but not required. Combat was shown last year. Yet it is just now making it into Landmark. We have no clue what is going on internally.

Can you back up your "facts"? You know how much EQ1/2, Landmark, DCUO, and PS2 are bringing in? Please share.

How long have you been a SOE customer? Do you know anything about Fan Faire or SOE Live and how it works? It isn't and never has been BlizzCon status. Totally different event. 

You appear to have made this account solely for EQN, not sure what went wrong, but interesting how your tune as changed.

I've been a customer of theirs for 12 years. I know how the place works. Sony Online Entertainment burned their credibility with fans years ago. That *anyone* takes their word on face value is the sign of a delusional mark hoping and praying for better days and getting pissed when anyone impedes on that fantasy with simple things like facts.

Your trying to lead me down a strawman argument not withstanding, the games they've decided to keep active are the ones they make money from. That's just simple business sense. If they were losing money on a game, they'd shut it down to push more into development.

And yes, I'm well aware of how Fan Faire works and have even attended some of them. Even within SOE Fan Faire's, what they put on was Fan Faire Lite. Short on panels, kept the core fronting 'dev team' to a minimum, didn't even bother having Smed show up to rally the troops, etc. Like the famously thinning # of zones, everything keeps getting lighter and lighter on content.

If it helps you any, I honestly do believe they're on the right track with EQN... but I'm not sure they'll get on the other side of it before going under. And make no mistake, right now they're at about a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not they get to final release of either product. Keep in mind they've already been working on EQN for 4-5 years and gone through at least 2 iterations. I first saw a lot of the base EQ Next stuff at SOE Live *2010*.

One of the things that people seem to forget about Blizzard is that the development of World of Warcraft nearly bankrupted that company outright and they put every last dollar they had on it. I feel safe in saying that SOE is doing much of the same, but make no mistake, there is no guarantee they'll make it to the promised land like Blizzard. Right now its completely up in the air, and while they're trying to put a good face on it by throwing out fantasy numbers they think you'll eat up like 60%, they really don't know if they'll make it there either.

 

Wait.. Vanilla WoW costed around 50 million to make didnt it? So you are saying that Blizzard barely had those funds? Doesnt sound right.

If EQN is really 60% complete then that would mean the game world ( surface area ) should be almost complete one would think with crafting , skills , items , dungeons , AI etc.. the other 40%...? But if that were the case I am sure we would have gotten some fly over shots and not just the lame stuff they showed.

I don't have a figure on development cost, I just know Blizzard was in a bad way until they got to the other side of the game release, which took 4-5 years. And 50 million might not sound like a lot to you, but when you have a completely unproven game using unproven mechanics from what you've used previously(Warcraft was a RTS franchise), which is bigger than all stuff you've previously attempted combined, and you're burning through cash to make it happen, it can be quite easy to run dry.

I doubt they had a savings account at BoA that had 50 million just lying around while they burned through it to make the game. You free up assets and apply revenue as you get it. Something like a Call of Duty game can be fronted the entire development cost out of the previous iteration's sales.

Heck, Blizzard itself has made billions on WoW and can make any game they want and look how a big ticket development product like Titan got punted. Its not really something you want to get wrong, and once you go for it.. if you don't have a solid foundation the resources can and do go dry until you get on the other side of release, and that's how Blizzard was back around 2002 and 2003. And just because you went balls out, doesn't mean you'll have a successful game. Playing the AAA MMO Game can be quite dangerous and littered with good intentions and great ideas that simply didn't sell.

WoW just happens to be the one that did.

I hope SoE can pull it off, but as I said.. its probably a 50-50 proposition atm as to whether EQN(not Landmark) makes it out the door. And if it doesn't, there will not be an SOE. They've pretty much bet the farm, the donkey, and the milk from the cow on it at this point.

 

  Mtibbs1989

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8/17/14 10:32:05 PM#79
I still find it odd that MMORPG.com gave "Best in Show" to a title that was merely a prototype. Basing one's opinion based off of promises and word of mouth is a bad decision. 


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  bliss14

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Ahh devil ether.

8/17/14 11:09:46 PM#80
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
I still find it odd that MMORPG.com gave "Best in Show" to a title that was merely a prototype. Basing one's opinion based off of promises and word of mouth is a bad decision. 

I tried to Google all of the "nominees" and was not able to find much.  Perhaps it was simply the best presentation.   It's not like it's hard to top some of the recent actual releases.  In the end, it is just an opinion anyway.

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