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General Discussion  » Knowing the state of EQNext today, I wonder if TenTonHammer and MMORPG have any regrets over e3 best in show award 2013?

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  Reklaw

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8/17/14 4:44:02 AM#41

Could it that what was shown might have been called EQN before Landmark was officially made into a seperate game and what was shown would have been what is Landmark today?

 

  Quillim

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8/17/14 4:46:07 AM#42

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

 

  coretex666

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8/17/14 4:50:41 AM#43
Originally posted by mbrodie
Originally posted by coretex666
Originally posted by mbrodie
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

Because I think both MMORPG and Tentonhammer were frankly *swindled* - if they knew that EQNext wasn't even going to be in pre-alpha *a year and a half later* - yeah I don't think they would have even considered it as a valid candidate.

 

Interestingly enough, back in 2013 I never expected this game to release any time before 2016, why were you or anyone else expecting anything different?

BTW, winning best in show is pretty easy considering how low a bar the rest of the market is setting.

I mean it sort of goes like this..... AAA developer announces they are not going to make another standard theme park MMO...... that's it, best in show.

I think everyone is really, really getting tired of rehashing the same old ideas.

 

i agree, considering they said they scrapped 3 previous iterations and we're bringing a heap of previously undeveloped tech into the game.. i dont see why anyone got any ideas that even an alpha would be out this year... from everything they were saying it make it seem pretty clear not to expect an alpha to 2016.. maybe late 2015, but people got their panties in a knot and super sized their own expectations and are not all bent out of shape because there is no EQN this year...

The OP is questioning the value of the award and eligibility of games which are at an "idea generation" phase of development to receive that award.

I wonder why some people post to threads the topic of which they cannot comprehend.

i can completely comprehend what he is saying... and the award was given by a 3rd party site not governed by any official rules, so therefore the award is completely subjective to what the site owners / operators deem worthy, if they felt that EQN was  the most well presented, promising, compelling etc... demo / presentation that they saw, then it is completely up to them to report so. Just because you dont agree doesnt mean in their eyes it wasnt the case.

 

I am personally not interested in EQN i dont think it's going to be any good and i dont think sony can pull of what they're saying they can... But if MMORPG feels that it was best in show, so be it. What they saw was enough for them to feel that it was warranted regardless of your personal feelings about the state of the game.

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  Allein

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8/17/14 5:14:39 AM#44
Originally posted by coretex666

The OP is questioning the value of the award and eligibility of games which are at an "idea generation" phase of development to receive that award.

I wonder why some people post to threads the topic of which they cannot comprehend.

I wonder why some people post threads that are off topic. Mysteries of the universe.

Would of been better off questioning the entire award process and not cherry picking one game that is currently a hot topic because of SOE Live and asking it in said game's forum. Or better yet, ask those that give out the awards directly, surely they have email or someway to contact them.

Coming here is just asking to stir the pot and get a bunch of subjective responses. "What do you think EQN fans, is EQN still worth the award? Who wants to storm the office and take it back?!?!" Seriously...

As he appears to strongly dislike the game this forum is about, the topic screams "hater" to me and just another attempt to bring unconstructive negativity in to the conversation.

 

  Allein

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8/17/14 5:19:29 AM#45
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

  Victor_Kruger

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8/17/14 5:25:56 AM#46

 

This...

  DMKano

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OP  8/17/14 8:24:22 AM#47
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by coretex666

The OP is questioning the value of the award and eligibility of games which are at an "idea generation" phase of development to receive that award.

I wonder why some people post to threads the topic of which they cannot comprehend.

I wonder why some people post threads that are off topic. Mysteries of the universe.

Would of been better off questioning the entire award process and not cherry picking one game that is currently a hot topic because of SOE Live and asking it in said game's forum. Or better yet, ask those that give out the awards directly, surely they have email or someway to contact them.

Coming here is just asking to stir the pot and get a bunch of subjective responses. "What do you think EQN fans, is EQN still worth the award? Who wants to storm the office and take it back?!?!" Seriously...

As he appears to strongly dislike the game this forum is about, the topic screams "hater" to me and just another attempt to bring unconstructive negativity in to the conversation.

 

 

It wouldn't have made any difference what game this was - and it shouldn't to anybody.

If ArcheAge, WoW, EvE *whatever* was shown in early pre-concpt unplayable state - it needs to be immediately disqualified as there is no *game* yet.

I am critical of the process  - and you make allegations and call me names over a simple question?

 

 

  DMKano

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OP  8/17/14 8:31:30 AM#48
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

 

SoE can say what they want about EQNext - I don't believe the 60% figure, everyone should be questioning it - games that are 60% finished are alpha state playable.

 

- look at H1Z1 - its playable, its in a much more finished state. 

If SoE showed H1Z1 and got best in show at least it would be fitting as its playable a year later. (note I am not suggesting that H1Z1 is better, I am saying its more finished hence more eligible)

 

 

  DMKano

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OP  8/17/14 8:36:04 AM#49
Originally posted by Reklaw

Could it that what was shown might have been called EQN before Landmark was officially made into a seperate game and what was shown would have been what is Landmark today?

 

If this is the case shouldn't they post an edit to say Landmark won best in show? SoE officially revealed both games like several months later at SoE live 2013.

BTW if Landmark won - this thread wouldn't exist.

 

  DMKano

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OP  8/17/14 8:41:06 AM#50
Originally posted by sn072856

DMKano:

You asked:  Should game sites allow journalists to change their stories after new facts come to light? 

 

IMHO:  to answer your specific question; NEVER!!!   That would be a basic violation of the principle to report truth. 

If, on the other hand what you meant to say was - Should game sites allow journalists to update their stories after new facts come to light? 

I believe the answer to that is: Always.  updating preserves the historical record and allows for correction of facts and the evolution of analysis and opinion based on new data.  Depending on what changed it may also shine a spotlight on the cockroaches of the game development/publishing world by exposing that some of them misrepresented the truth.....  (more that reasonably expected at a PR event like E3) (I'm sure you're all "shocked" at the possibility that a dev/pub would misrepresent the truth just to make some money....)  This said, updating also tells the consumers of these sites something about the authors, depending on which ones bother to make the effort to correct things when they find things.

Thanks for the correction.

That makes a lot more sense.

  syriinx

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8/17/14 8:56:41 AM#51
Originally posted by DMKano

 

 

It wouldn't have made any difference what game this was - and it shouldn't to anybody.

If ArcheAge, WoW, EvE *whatever* was shown in early pre-concpt unplayable state - it needs to be immediately disqualified as there is no *game* yet.

I am critical of the process  - and you make allegations and call me names over a simple question?

 

 

But this is a ridiculous pile of nonsense.

Why does it matter if its only a tech demo?  Why does it have to be playable?  Why do you think you have the right to make up idiotic rules?

FACT:  Bill Murphy was more impressed with what he saw of EQN than he was with any other upcoming game he saw.

End of story.

 

 

  baphamet

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8/17/14 9:01:10 AM#52


Originally posted by Foomerang

Originally posted by Quizzical
The award was for which pre-release game seemed most promising at the time.  It has about as much meaning as preseason college football rankings.  If a correction is necessary, the launch review, or perhaps an article announcing the cancellation of the game, will serve just fine as that correction.

I don't recall that stipulation. From what I remember, they simply said "best in show" and proceeded to tell us we were all going to poop ourselves. Their words not mine heh.

right.....i think this thread is a little ridiculous to be honest and i don't agree with what they said at the time either.

it was the best of e3 2013 in their opinion, not their prediction for the future or how good the game will turn out to be.

which by the way still nobody knows how it will turn out.

  Kangaroomouse

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8/17/14 9:13:40 AM#53
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

Why not question it? Are we all so brainwashed that we do not ask questions any more?

----

That's what intelligent human beings do, ask questions.

  DMKano

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OP  8/17/14 9:15:05 AM#54
Originally posted by syriinx
Originally posted by DMKano

 

 

It wouldn't have made any difference what game this was - and it shouldn't to anybody.

If ArcheAge, WoW, EvE *whatever* was shown in early pre-concpt unplayable state - it needs to be immediately disqualified as there is no *game* yet.

I am critical of the process  - and you make allegations and call me names over a simple question?

 

 

But this is a ridiculous pile of nonsense.

Why does it matter if its only a tech demo?  Why does it have to be playable?  Why do you think you have the right to make up idiotic rules?

FACT:  Bill Murphy was more impressed with what he saw of EQN than he was with any other upcoming game he saw.

End of story.

 

 

E3 is a video game show.

Yes many companies show early versions of their game 

But how *early* is too early?

There has to be some basic stipulation over eligibility otherwise best game of the show can be *best idea* of the show without any actual game period.

 

 

  syriinx

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8/17/14 9:24:40 AM#55
Originally posted by DMKano
 

There has to be some basic stipulation over eligibility

 

No there doesn't

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

8/17/14 9:36:08 AM#56

I would say they should not have any regrets because E3 and a best of show is merely an opinion based on VERY little.

If you simply buy into the hype and what SOE claims they are doing,it sure looked good on paper.Personally i use all my assets to form a judgement based on having played MANY SOE games past and recent,the effort the yput into their games and xpacs and creativity.

IMO what they have accomplished was great up until the era of around 2005,then SOE has gone all downhill,their efforts have been far less they have almost zero creativity.Their only newest ideas example Minecraft part 2 they were slow on moving only after buying a license to Voxel farm they decided to change direction of their game and marketing of Next.The idea of animated moves over small obstacles is a nice touch but it is all automated so that cheapens the effect.Ideas like lightning in and double jumping are imo silly ideas,don't like them at all,that is more in line with what Korean F2p games like to do because they are still living in the era of arcade gaming with super jumps and spinning high kicks and 5000 hits in 2 seconds all ends up looking silly.

I guess my point is that i don't see their team as being very creative thinkers but as an E3 gimmick,no problem rating it the best of show ,as said it looks good on paper.

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  syriinx

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8/17/14 9:40:09 AM#57
Originally posted by Wizardry

 

I guess my point is that i don't see their team as being very creative thinkers

Then you are simply out of touch

  Distopia

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8/17/14 9:56:36 AM#58
Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

Why not question it? Are we all so brainwashed that we do not ask questions any more?

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That's what intelligent human beings do, ask questions.

There's nothing to get poetic about here, it's a matter of what they saw and how they felt about it. They're not judging games with these awards, they're judging presentations. They happened to feel SOE put up the best presentation that they saw.

 

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  Kangaroomouse

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8/17/14 10:39:19 AM#59
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

Why not question it? Are we all so brainwashed that we do not ask questions any more?

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That's what intelligent human beings do, ask questions.

There's nothing to get poetic about here, it's a matter of what they saw and how they felt about it. They're not judging games with these awards, they're judging presentations. They happened to feel SOE put up the best presentation that they saw.

Not sure where you see the poetry in my reply, but that aside, it was crowned BEST GAME OF SHOW not BEST PRESENTATION OF AN EVENTUALLY RELEASED GAME BUT MAYBE NOT EVER GOING TO BE RELEASED OR LOOK LIKE WHAT WAS SHOWN.

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How did you come up with poetic? Something you heard on TV?

  Quillim

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8/17/14 2:04:18 PM#60
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Quillim

Personally, the answer is yes, they are probably highly embarrassed for giving an award to a game that to this day, over a year later, does not exist in any playable form. A game which launched its Kickstarter(Founders Packs), shortly after SoE Live. How much of the final game do they have done? 0%. They have writers churning out BOOKS that comprise the majority of the current game. They have customers building cities in Landmark that could end up being used in EQN. They can play smoke and mirrors with that Landmark content, but they haven't even finished 10% of That Game(based on their stated goals) yet. But hey, its at least in Alpha, and no... Landmark didn't win any awards(for which it would have made more sense) in 2013. EQN, The Game That Never Was, did.

Publicly, no.. because obviously EQN was best.. even though there was and is no game. It was obviously the best.. we said so.

Privately, SoE and other large companies pay the bills for sites like this one, not you. They won't be so crass as to do award <-> money, but when it comes time to put forth millions of dollars of advertising... they know who to go to /wink /nudge.

Can't tell if you are being serious or not. As of this weekend, they stated that EQN is 60% finished. EQN doesn't have Founders Packs. Not sure what goals you speak of that they haven't met, did I miss the Kickstarter page that SOE put up? They are a pretty small indie company, maybe they are struggling to make ends meet? Some of you are so amusing =)

I'm being absolutely serious. This is how the world works.

As per SOE... believe what you see, not what they say. Anybody who swallows the line that EQN is "60% finished" is simply being delusional in hopes that the game will magically show up tomorrow. If they had something more to show at SOE Live, you could bet your last dollar they would have shown it. Heck, all you have to do is take a look at SOE as a company to see whats happening. Free Realms has been shut down. They've honed their publicly available games on the All Access down to the 4 that still generate funds(EQ, EQ2, DCUO, and PlanetSide 2), and have been using those funds for new development. The expansions themselves(for EQ and EQ2) are getting so small they can barely be called expansions with a straight face. But they'll still be looking for $40, of course.

The fact is, they're currently in a state of strangulation(not having funds for new games, not having new games finished to a point they can adequately  provide new funds) and a death spiral as a company and doing whatever they can to get those new games finished ASAP. But without the resources to put into it up front, they're having to do as much of it on the cheap as possible as they generate funds, and its taking forever. Anyone who doesn't realize they're going for MVP (Minimum Viable Product) before pushing whatever that is to release so they can generate fundage to make the rest, simply hasn't been paying attention. There is actually a fairly good chance that they might not get on the other side of that death spiral at all and simply go under.

Did you watch their "Grand Banquet" last night on Twitch? I did. At least they stayed on theme of 'you do all the work, we don't have the money'. It largely consisted of three things: the usual cosplay contest winners that took forever, a 'talent show' by the fans that was easily one of the most cringeworthy affairs I think that I've ever seen front a con, and then bingo night at SOE where they give out sponsor products for half an hour. Smedley didn't even bother to show his face.

 

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