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General Discussion  » Knowing the state of EQNext today, I wonder if TenTonHammer and MMORPG have any regrets over e3 best in show award 2013?

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  DMKano

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OP  8/16/14 7:10:05 PM#1

So SOE Live 2014 - EQNext is still not even in pre-alpha, we were shown a video of gameplay.

No dates for anything were announced, not even rough estimates.

The game is nowhere near ready for any kind of testing.

Yet back at E3 2013 - two reputable sites gave it the best *GAME* of the show award.

I wonder if they knew the true state of the "game" they were shown if they would have changed their minds.

The state of EQNext back at e3 2013 was pre-tech-concept demo at best.

 

  DMKano

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OP  8/16/14 7:28:23 PM#2

To err is human, to correct is divine - at least thsts what a journalism professor told me once.

Should game sites allow journalists to change their stories after new facts come to light?

 

  Beatnik59

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8/16/14 7:31:19 PM#3
We live in strange days, where games unreleased earn game of the show, and Chris Roberts can make more money by making promises on Kickstarter than most games can by actually launching something.

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  Quizzical

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8/16/14 7:32:45 PM#4
The award was for which pre-release game seemed most promising at the time.  It has about as much meaning as preseason college football rankings.  If a correction is necessary, the launch review, or perhaps an article announcing the cancellation of the game, will serve just fine as that correction.
  Tamanous

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8/16/14 7:37:13 PM#5

I thought it was very well presented to us that EQNext simply will not be playable until Landmark is mostly complete as too many tools are shared. EQNext was said to be about 60% done but not the right bits to make it playable.

 

Think of it like a torrent. Even though you dl'd 60% of it it doesn't mean you can play it yet.

 

OP's frustration is the inability to play it as soon as he wants. This is NEVER an issue for Blizzard. Why is that? Because they say their games are ready when they are ready. SOE says the exact same thing about this game yet that isn't good for you? Why?

 

The game being ready earlier has no connection to how good the game may be. In fact it would likely make it worse. Some website getty giggitty over the game only mean SOE does a good job at promoting and websites drink the kool-aid. When the game comes out it won't matter how many rewards it gets prior. There is no connection with the quality of release ready product.

 

Chill.

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  User Deleted
8/16/14 7:48:54 PM#6


Originally posted by Quizzical
The award was for which pre-release game seemed most promising at the time.  It has about as much meaning as preseason college football rankings.  If a correction is necessary, the launch review, or perhaps an article announcing the cancellation of the game, will serve just fine as that correction.

I don't recall that stipulation. From what I remember, they simply said "best in show" and proceeded to tell us we were all going to poop ourselves. Their words not mine heh.

  Loke666

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8/16/14 7:52:07 PM#7

They did make a great presentation and therefore won the price. Doesn't mean that the game are close to release or tell us much about how good the game really is but it still was fair.

Besides, it takes weeks to really know how good a MMO are anyways. Nothing you can learn on E3 even if they show the full game, it would just give a hint and nothing more.

SOE did put a bit too much into marketing that early though.

  DMKano

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OP  8/16/14 8:24:44 PM#8
Originally posted by Loke666

They did make a great presentation and therefore won the price. Doesn't mean that the game are close to release or tell us much about how good the game really is but it still was fair.

Besides, it takes weeks to really know how good a MMO are anyways. Nothing you can learn on E3 even if they show the full game, it would just give a hint and nothing more.

SOE did put a bit too much into marketing that early though.

I am not blaming SoE for putting on a masterpiece marketing presentation - I am questioning if another studio that was not known showed off some super early pre-concept demo that was super slick, wouldn't they get asked 

Where is the game??

 

Shouldn't it at least be playable by journalists to be considered as a *game*?

 

I agree with other posters above, yes in the grand scheme of things awards mean nothing gameplay and players will be the final judge.

BUT

As far as awards go on MMO sites - that article was sort of a big deal - best in show award for a non-existing game? A promise?

This deserves some attention IMO

 

  syriinx

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8/16/14 8:41:19 PM#9
Originally posted by DMKano
As far as awards go on MMO sites - that article was sort of a big deal - best in show award for a non-existing game? A promise?

This deserves some attention IMO

 

No it doesn't.

 

What else was really worthy? 

 

EQN still looks very interesting, Im just not a fan of action combat.  Does seem to have a very interesting multi class system though.  Maybe its something I would play a few hours a week like I would an ARPG.

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8/16/14 8:49:37 PM#10
The greatest MMO's are always those that are yet unreleased - Vic Dynamo
  DMKano

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OP  8/16/14 9:02:40 PM#11
Originally posted by syriinx
Originally posted by DMKano
As far as awards go on MMO sites - that article was sort of a big deal - best in show award for a non-existing game? A promise?

This deserves some attention IMO

 

No it doesn't.

 

What else was really worthy? 

 

EQN still looks very interesting, Im just not a fan of action combat.  Does seem to have a very interesting multi class system though.  Maybe its something I would play a few hours a week like I would an ARPG.

 

I think you are missing the point - which is completely unfinished, hardly conceputalized tech demos winning awards for best in show.

Where does it stop - Blizzard could come in and show some slides of ideas that have for WoW3 - that they won't start working on in another 15 years ...

Where does it stop?

There must  be some sort of regulation that separates "way too early to be considered a game" 

from

"actual playable product"

 

It's not a question of worthiness - it's a question of eligibility to even be considered a game first.

Otherwise lets just give awards for best *ideas*

 

 

 

 

  JemAs666

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8/16/14 9:10:49 PM#12
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.
  syriinx

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8/16/14 9:12:40 PM#13
Originally posted by DMKano
 

 

There must  be some sort of regulation that separates "way too early to be considered a game" 

from

"actual playable product"

 

 

 

 

 

There isn't.

Game does have awesome ideas and it had a tech demo that was impressive, and there wasn't any worthy competition.  And why are you bringing up a year old topic?

 

Wasn't it Bill that gave the award?  Take it up with him via private message.

 

 

In the mean time, why not talk to MLB about reversing Verlander's MVP award because a. pitchers shouldn't win MVP and b. he sucks now.

 

  Volgore

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8/16/14 9:13:13 PM#14
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

My guess is because "best in show" wasn't Archeage.

  HabitualFrogStomp

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8/16/14 9:18:37 PM#15

This is like asking can we disqualify a girl who won a beauty pageant in 2013 because she subsequently put on 60 pounds and is now an obese troll today. Derp.

They give the award to the game they are most impressed by, for whatever reason, subject to criteria that they themselves set at the time. They make no claims to be fortune tellers and set a release date for the game, to my knowledge. They have no need to correct themselves, as they were giving their opinion. A sportswriter does not have to go back and apologize for saying x team was the best team in whatever league in 2013 just because that team was crap in 2014. Honestly, this is making a thread just for the sake of making a thread.

  Victor_Kruger

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8/16/14 9:23:15 PM#16
Still number 1 on this websight for most anticipated game, even with the all the hate. 
  DMKano

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OP  8/16/14 9:27:21 PM#17
Originally posted by Victor_Kruger
Still number 1 on this websight for most anticipated game, even with the all the hate. 

You do realize that the very  E3 award I am questioning  played a huge part in that right?

 

  DMKano

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OP  8/16/14 9:30:18 PM#18
Originally posted by JemAs666
I guess bottom line is why do you care?  So what they got some worthless award given to them by no real authority.  Just some random, yet popular, game site on the Internet.

Because I think both MMORPG and Tentonhammer were frankly *swindled* - if they knew that EQNext wasn't even going to be in pre-alpha *a year and a half later* - yeah I don't think they would have even considered it as a valid candidate.

 

  Nevulus

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8/16/14 9:32:40 PM#19
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by Victor_Kruger
Still number 1 on this websight for most anticipated game, even with the all the hate. 

You do realize that the very  E3 award I am questioning  played a huge part in that right?

 

Or maybe the fact that lots of people are building great things in EQ Landmark and have high hopes for EQ Next, especially after that pretty cool looking combat video released. Maybe that's why it's high up there.

But that's just my guess. Just like you're just guessing as well. You know nothing about what plays a huge part in what.

 

When did you become so cynical man?  =/

  Ender4

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8/16/14 9:35:25 PM#20

Considering the games released since have been complete garbage and EQN and ArcheAge still look like the only chances at a non terrible MMORPG due out in the next few years I'm fine with it.

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