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  Lonzo

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OP  7/31/14 3:47:45 PM#1

Hi,

I wonder if SOE has misunderstood the huge demand on new sandbox games that was rising in the last two years. Right now they only hype their landmark game like crazy. Nothing heard about EQN. Pretty strange. 

The thing is that we mmo-players don't want a real minecraft game like landmark. We want EVE/SWG style games just not 12 years old.

 

  Dibdabs

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7/31/14 4:11:47 PM#2
SOE constantly misunderstands the market.  They're famed for it.
  ReallyNow10

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Don't give us stories. Give us worlds and we will make our own stories.

7/31/14 4:31:25 PM#3
Landmark is the sandbox elements that will be the foundation of EQ Next.  So, no, SOE has not understood the market.  Oddly, they may be nailing it.
  Lonzo

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OP  7/31/14 4:50:00 PM#4
Landmark is an editor game not a sandbox mmo...
  Tyggs

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7/31/14 4:53:10 PM#5
Originally posted by Lonzo
Landmark is an editor game not a sandbox mmo...

Landmark is a game in Beta missing features. They have already stated (you can go look at the developer timeline) that there will be combat and commerce. It is a sandbox game with no theme. It is a build what you want, play how you want kind of game. It is just incomplete. What they have provided so far is a deep crafting/building game. The game is far from complete.

  nariusseldon

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7/31/14 5:13:30 PM#6
Originally posted by Lonzo

Hi,

I wonder if SOE has misunderstood the huge demand on new sandbox games that was rising in the last two years. Right now they only hype their landmark game like crazy. Nothing heard about EQN. Pretty strange. 

The thing is that we mmo-players don't want a real minecraft game like landmark. We want EVE/SWG style games just not 12 years old.

 

May be those who think players want a Eve/SWG style game are misreading the market.

It is a clear case of misreading if someone would equate demand for minecraft (a building game with ugly graphics) with demand for something like Eve or SWG. Ditto for SKYRIM which is a SP game with fast forward time, fast travel, and on rails main story quests.

 

  Kaneth

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7/31/14 5:21:45 PM#7
Originally posted by Lonzo

Hi,

I wonder if SOE has misunderstood the huge demand on new sandbox games that was rising in the last two years. Right now they only hype their landmark game like crazy. Nothing heard about EQN. Pretty strange. 

The thing is that we mmo-players don't want a real minecraft game like landmark. We want EVE/SWG style games just not 12 years old.

 

We've heard nothing about EQN, because they are saving it for SOE Live. Hell, with all of their media focus on Landmark, they don't have many people beating down their door asking for a ton of info...yet. As long as they can keep Landmark in the limelight, the less they have to show from Next. When we finally get info on Next, it'll most likely be a large barrage of info.

  nomotag

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7/31/14 5:26:42 PM#8
I kind of think EQ next is maybe trying too hard in maybe some of the wrong places. Yes it's impressive that your entire world is destructible down to the voxel, but you didn't really need to go that far. You have a lot of good sanboxy games without the ability to dig holes. That actually might be too much freedom.
  nariusseldon

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7/31/14 5:29:13 PM#9
Originally posted by nomotag
I kind of think EQ next is maybe trying too hard in maybe some of the wrong places. Yes it's impressive that your entire world is destructible down to the voxel, but you didn't really need to go that far. You have a lot of good sanboxy games without the ability to dig holes. That actually might be too much freedom.

Exactly. Wait until the gold farmers are digging "xyz.com for gold" on the mountains, and the griefers block people from entering town.

Luckily there are plenty of games to play, and i don't have to pick this one.

 

  jircris

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7/31/14 5:37:13 PM#10
It amazes me to see how many people demand a sandbox but don't know the meaning of sandbox. Sandbox is a game with no point to it other then to play how you see fit. landmarks is close to it. There is no leveling no quest you build and explore. When they add combat and other things then you can fight as well. SWG was the closest thing to a guided sandbox you could get. It has player made cities and such. As for greafers blocking off towns, if you play Landmark you would know that they have it set so you can build near the main hub. It is going to be the same thing for EQN you have to go away from the hub to dig or build.
  Maelwydd

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7/31/14 5:40:18 PM#11
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

Exactly. Wait until the gold farmers are digging "xyz.com for gold" on the mountains, and the griefers block people from entering town.

 

 

How exactly would a griefer block people from entering a town?

  bcbully

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7/31/14 5:42:10 PM#12

EVE is a sandbox and Landmark is a sandbox. Two very different types of sandboxes. 

 

Smedly released his blog "The Sandbox" citing EVE like emergent game play, the gave fans Landmark, a Minecraft type of sandbox without all the things you could do in Minecraft.

 

Please don't confuse the two. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  bcbully

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7/31/14 5:47:37 PM#13
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Lonzo

Hi,

I wonder if SOE has misunderstood the huge demand on new sandbox games that was rising in the last two years. Right now they only hype their landmark game like crazy. Nothing heard about EQN. Pretty strange. 

The thing is that we mmo-players don't want a real minecraft game like landmark. We want EVE/SWG style games just not 12 years old.

 

May be those who think players want a Eve/SWG style game are misreading the market.

It is a clear case of misreading if someone would equate demand for minecraft (a building game with ugly graphics) with demand for something like Eve or SWG. Ditto for SKYRIM which is a SP game with fast forward time, fast travel, and on rails main story quests.

 

This was done intentionally by Smed and SOE. It was a deliberate decision to play on the duality of the term and types of games in order to sell Landmark the supposed precursor to EQN.

 

As we can see a Minecraft with better graphics but less freedom and systems is not what players want.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Maelwydd

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Joined: 2/26/09
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7/31/14 5:54:09 PM#14

Landmark was originally just the toolset. They decided to release it as a game as well as an opportunity for people interested in game development to purchase early access. It is of interest to me and many others so just because you don't like please stop putting it down because it doesn't meet YOUR criteria of a sandbox. Sandbox does not mean an OW PVP full loot griefers paradise!!!

While I may not be a minecraft fan (never played it) I certainly love what Landmark is and what it means for future games.

  Pepeq

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7/31/14 6:01:26 PM#15
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

Exactly. Wait until the gold farmers are digging "xyz.com for gold" on the mountains, and the griefers block people from entering town.

 

 

How exactly would a griefer block people from entering a town?

I'm guessing he thinks players would build something to block the entrance to said town... I picture a nice big moat... with fat gators in it... could be a tourist attraction.

  blubsterer

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7/31/14 6:04:04 PM#16
Originally posted by jircris
It amazes me to see how many people demand a sandbox but don't know the meaning of sandbox. Sandbox is a game with no point to it other then to play how you see fit. landmarks is close to it. There is no leveling no quest you build and explore. When they add combat and other things then you can fight as well. SWG was the closest thing to a guided sandbox you could get. It has player made cities and such. As for greafers blocking off towns, if you play Landmark you would know that they have it set so you can build near the main hub. It is going to be the same thing for EQN you have to go away from the hub to dig or build.

This. I play Landmark now for 3 days (7 bucks well spent) and I can see a lot of potential. Add a bunch of missing features like combat, economy and territorial control and it would be a nice game with a strong sandbox element even in this early state. Landmark is a strong foundation, they can do literally everything with this as base. I can't wait to see what SOE will have in stock the next months ....

  Markn

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7/31/14 6:20:48 PM#17
Originally posted by nomotag
I kind of think EQ next is maybe trying too hard in maybe some of the wrong places. Yes it's impressive that your entire world is destructible down to the voxel, but you didn't really need to go that far. You have a lot of good sanboxy games without the ability to dig holes. That actually might be too much freedom.

 

The foundation of your MMO is the world it is played in.   

  doodphace

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7/31/14 6:30:50 PM#18
Originally posted by Lonzo

Hi,

I wonder if SOE has misunderstood the huge demand on new sandbox games that was rising in the last two years. Right now they only hype their landmark game like crazy. Nothing heard about EQN. Pretty strange. 

The thing is that we mmo-players don't want a real minecraft game like landmark. We want EVE/SWG style games just not 12 years old.

 

I think you are the one who misunderstood the demand, as there is no huge demand for sandbox games, at least in comparison to themepark. Don't confuse MMORPG.com's           jaded ex EQ/SWG/UO posters with general public demand. If we took what this site's community tries to pass off as fact, WoW and SWTOR, the 2 most played MMOs in the west, would be shutting down any day now :/

  Maelwydd

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7/31/14 6:47:37 PM#19
Originally posted by Pepeq
Originally posted by Maelwydd
Originally posted by nariusseldon
 

Exactly. Wait until the gold farmers are digging "xyz.com for gold" on the mountains, and the griefers block people from entering town.

 

 

How exactly would a griefer block people from entering a town?

I'm guessing he thinks players would build something to block the entrance to said town... I picture a nice big moat... with fat gators in it... could be a tourist attraction.

Both the original comment and your own show that you do not know how the game works.

  Dauzqul

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7/31/14 7:38:04 PM#20

The only two MMO I've ever enjoyed were both SOE games (SWG / EQ2).

They are in a good spot right now.

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