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  Malabooga

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7/23/14 3:53:48 PM#41
Originally posted by ryvendark
What was your link saying and what did it have to do with this thread?
Really dude, and i mean it, really.
  TheLizardbones

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7/23/14 3:54:25 PM#42
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by Foobarx
Originally posted by Frostvein

I still don't understand how this game produces as little content as it does, if it is making as much money as it does. Its befuddling.

 

I know people are throwing money at it hands over first as they do in most every F2P game, but something doesn't add up.

1.  It's a money laundering scheme by some big drug cartel;

2.  The numbers really don't add up; or,

3.  The people who actually play the game, don't make posts about the game.

 

My vote is for number 3.

 

I never said it didn't make money, or that it wasn't making money. It just seems odd to me that despite several posts saying the game is doing well and making money (which is more than likely true, no doubt about it) that there is as little new content as there is, no?

 

Other smaller companies that are (supposedly) making much less money produce content at a much faster pace. Its puzzling.

 

Would you care to quantify the amount of content produced for SWToR?  We know how many updates there have been, because they are listed on their website, but you seem to be over simplifying the process of comparing updates between games.

 

So which smaller companies are producing more actual content than EA is for SWToR, and how are you quantifying that content?  Just curious.

 

I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure the guys behind LOTRO, GW2 and Rift had smaller companies, lower budgets, and less income per month then SWTOR had/has and yet produced more content at a faster pace than SWTOR did/does.


 

 

How are you quantifying "more" in this context?  More frequent?  More feature updates?  More territory added per update?

 

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  Malabooga

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7/23/14 4:01:15 PM#43
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by Foobarx
Originally posted by Frostvein

I still don't understand how this game produces as little content as it does, if it is making as much money as it does. Its befuddling.

 

I know people are throwing money at it hands over first as they do in most every F2P game, but something doesn't add up.

1.  It's a money laundering scheme by some big drug cartel;

2.  The numbers really don't add up; or,

3.  The people who actually play the game, don't make posts about the game.

 

My vote is for number 3.

 

I never said it didn't make money, or that it wasn't making money. It just seems odd to me that despite several posts saying the game is doing well and making money (which is more than likely true, no doubt about it) that there is as little new content as there is, no?

 

Other smaller companies that are (supposedly) making much less money produce content at a much faster pace. Its puzzling.

 

Would you care to quantify the amount of content produced for SWToR?  We know how many updates there have been, because they are listed on their website, but you seem to be over simplifying the process of comparing updates between games.

 

So which smaller companies are producing more actual content than EA is for SWToR, and how are you quantifying that content?  Just curious.

 

I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure the guys behind LOTRO, GW2 and Rift had smaller companies, lower budgets, and less income per month then SWTOR had/has and yet produced more content at a faster pace than SWTOR did/does.


 

Well, after all the layoffs SWTOR had, theres not many left, most of the stuff they released was bascially finished at launch and they just administered (read: chopping it to last longer) releasing it (namely Makeb and a bit after Makeb).

But yeah, its not even remotely close to what BW/EA were talking about around launch (but thats water under he bridge heh)

GW2 team is quite bigger than any of those (it has actually grown since launch), thats why you get new content every 2 weeks.

  BadOrb

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7/23/14 4:23:31 PM#44
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by Foobarx
Originally posted by Frostvein

I still don't understand how this game produces as little content as it does, if it is making as much money as it does. Its befuddling.

 

I know people are throwing money at it hands over first as they do in most every F2P game, but something doesn't add up.

1.  It's a money laundering scheme by some big drug cartel;

2.  The numbers really don't add up; or,

3.  The people who actually play the game, don't make posts about the game.

 

My vote is for number 3.

 

I never said it didn't make money, or that it wasn't making money. It just seems odd to me that despite several posts saying the game is doing well and making money (which is more than likely true, no doubt about it) that there is as little new content as there is, no?

 

Other smaller companies that are (supposedly) making much less money produce content at a much faster pace. Its puzzling.

 

Would you care to quantify the amount of content produced for SWToR?  We know how many updates there have been, because they are listed on their website, but you seem to be over simplifying the process of comparing updates between games.

 

So which smaller companies are producing more actual content than EA is for SWToR, and how are you quantifying that content?  Just curious.

 

I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure the guys behind LOTRO, GW2 and Rift had smaller companies, lower budgets, and less income per month then SWTOR had/has and yet produced more content at a faster pace than SWTOR did/does.


 

Well, after all the layoffs SWTOR had, theres not many left, most of the stuff they released was bascially finished at launch and they just administered (read: chopping it to last longer) releasing it (namely Makeb and a bit after Makeb).

But yeah, its not even remotely close to what BW/EA were talking about around launch (but thats water under he bridge heh)

GW2 team is quite bigger than any of those (it has actually grown since launch), thats why you get new content every 2 weeks.

I find it amusing people still use the , no new content is new. Even BioWare themselves laughed at it a few months ago on a twitch stream.

 

The point is its making money , who cares how much , I don't and the ship hasn't sunk like many thought/wanted it to do.

 

As for content , well we are going to have 2 expansions within the space of 5 months , so meh , that's fine by me.

 

Plus you missed the many recruitment posts for swtor and yes there has been a lot of dev recruitment going on since the layoffs.

 

Cheers,

 

BadOrb.

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  ryvendark

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7/23/14 4:39:19 PM#45
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by ryvendark
What was your link saying and what did it have to do with this thread?
Really dude, and i mean it, really.

I guess you went and looked up what rhetoric means ? I didn't really expect you to be able to answer that.

  jpnz

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OP  7/23/14 4:42:59 PM#46
There is much hilariously bad posts and just facepalm logic here.
Esp from those who say ' superdata and the pdf don't match exactly! '
Course it doesn't. Superdata is all of 2013 and the pdf is 3 months of 2014.

If you can't do basic projection /trends, probably not a good idea to post and prove you cannot to other people. ROFL!

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Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Malabooga

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7/23/14 4:47:08 PM#47
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by ryvendark
What was your link saying and what did it have to do with this thread?
Really dude, and i mean it, really.

I guess you went and looked up what rhetoric means ? I didn't really expect you to be able to answer that.

Well, continuing this would only make you more and more angry and we dont want more angry posts, so ill leave it at that.

  Malabooga

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7/23/14 4:49:16 PM#48
Originally posted by jpnz
There is much hilariously bad posts and just facepalm logic here.
Esp from those who say ' superdata and the pdf don't match exactly! '
Course it doesn't. Superdata is all of 2013 and the pdf is 3 months of 2014.

If you can't do basic projection /trends, probably not a good idea to post and prove you cannot to other people. ROFL!

You mean your OP? Because its right there unchallenged 1st spot on that list.

I agree. And i commend you for admitting writing complete nonsense in your OP.

  ryvendark

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Posts: 148

7/23/14 4:49:48 PM#49
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by ryvendark
What was your link saying and what did it have to do with this thread?
Really dude, and i mean it, really.

I guess you went and looked up what rhetoric means ? I didn't really expect you to be able to answer that.

Well, continuing this would only make you more and more angry and we dont want more angry posts, so ill leave it at that.

Ahhhh I'm angry that's why you can't explain it. I see....... that makes sense now.  /laugh

 

 

  Shaigh

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Posts: 429

7/23/14 5:17:26 PM#50

I love the title of this thread, but let's see what games do get mentioned in the prepared statements

  • Fifa  world cup 2014
  • Fifa 14
  • Fifa online 3
  • Ea sports ufc
  • Battlefield 4
  • Titanfall
  • The simpsons
  • Real racing 3
  • The sims freeplay
  • Da:I
  • Battlefield hardline
  • Madden nfl 15
  • Fifa 15
  • NBA live 15
  • NHL 15
  • ea sports pga tour
  • Sims 4
  • Swtor
Hold the press, swtor gets mentioned among 18 games and all it gets is an ambiguous sentence.
  Uhwop

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7/23/14 6:47:51 PM#51
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

 

Geez we are going in on four years!!! Don't you think it's time for you to move on from a video game you don't like and don't play. Trying to spin the words into your favor shows the desperation most haters have these days towards Swtor.

I don't hate ToR.  I just understand that when the report states it's a significant contributor it means that it's generating enough revenue to warrant mention but isn't the primary contributor. 

EA states that they have 80m in subscription revenue, with BF4 premium being the primary contributor, and that several game services with ToR being a significant contributor make up 211m in revenue for their F2P services. 

In order for ToR to be making EA 165m it would either need to be the primary revenue contributor in their F2P or subscription based revenue, their report says its neither. 

 

[mod edit]
  daltanious

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7/23/14 7:04:53 PM#52
Originally posted by jpnz

To further provide evidence that the numbers 'SuperData' was giving for 2013 were accurate, EA released their financials for April and June of 2014 and they both largely line up.

Actual news article: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28415508

Report: http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/3347009108x0x770134/51193e69-721f-478a-b86b-38feff3d13db/Q1%20FY15%20Earnings%20Script%20-%20FINAL.pdf

"Extra content and free-to-play contributed $211 million, up 19% over the prior year, led by sustained momentum and approaching 90% growth in our Ultimate Team business. We saw NHL Ultimate Team grow 50%, FIFA Ultimate Team grow nearly 80% and Madden Ultimate Team grow over 350% year-over-year. Star Wars: The Old Republic and FIFA Online 3 also continue to be significant contributors ."

 

Course, one can believe  that EA are lying in their financials in which case you have way bigger issues than 'hating on a video game'. Like 'understanding how real-life works' etc.

I believe they are actually 2nd most subbed MMO. No, not believe, I'm pretty sure. :-)

  Yamota

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7/23/14 7:13:14 PM#53
SW:TOR is still a thing?
  ryvendark

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7/23/14 7:33:41 PM#54
Originally posted by Uhwop
 

I don't hate ToR.  I just understand that when the report states it's a significant contributor it means that it's generating enough revenue to warrant mention but isn't the primary contributor. 

EA states that they have 80m in subscription revenue, with BF4 premium being the primary contributor, and that several game services with ToR being a significant contributor make up 211m in revenue for their F2P services. 

In order for ToR to be making EA 165m it would either need to be the primary revenue contributor in their F2P or subscription based revenue, their report says its neither. 

 

[mod edit]

The 211 million is f2p and extra content. It doesn't really say what that means. At least not that I saw. It's also for 2-4 months of the year ? AND ... :) most of the numbers they're listing off are % of increase. If SWTOR went down that could be what they're " hiding" by that comment. It still could be a big portion of whatever the numbers are.

Or am I missing something still ?

  Uhwop

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7/23/14 7:46:43 PM#55
Originally posted by jpnz
There is much hilariously bad posts and just facepalm logic here.
Esp from those who say ' superdata and the pdf don't match exactly! '
Course it doesn't. Superdata is all of 2013 and the pdf is 3 months of 2014.

If you can't do basic projection /trends, probably not a good idea to post and prove you cannot to other people. ROFL!

I see you changed the title of the thread. What did it originally say?  Something about how EA's report verifies superdatas numbers. 

BTW, from the 2014 financial report:

These increases were partially offset by a $167 million or 39 percent decrease in subscription sales primarily driven by Battlefield 3 Premium subscription, Star Wars: The Old Republic and FIFA 13.

This increase was partially offset by an $86 million decrease primarily from lower revenue from The Sims Social, which shut down in June 2013, Star Wars: The Old Republic, as well as Pogo-branded online game services.

 

Interestingly, ToR also lost money the previous year according to the same financial report.  

Feel free to take a look at ir.ea.com

  Uhwop

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7/23/14 7:54:16 PM#56
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Uhwop
 

I don't hate ToR.  I just understand that when the report states it's a significant contributor it means that it's generating enough revenue to warrant mention but isn't the primary contributor. 

EA states that they have 80m in subscription revenue, with BF4 premium being the primary contributor, and that several game services with ToR being a significant contributor make up 211m in revenue for their F2P services. 

In order for ToR to be making EA 165m it would either need to be the primary revenue contributor in their F2P or subscription based revenue, their report says its neither. 

 

[mod edit]

The 211 million is f2p and extra content. It doesn't really say what that means. At least not that I saw. It's also for 2-4 months of the year ? AND ... :) most of the numbers they're listing off are % of increase. If SWTOR went down that could be what they're " hiding" by that comment. It still could be a big portion of whatever the numbers are.

Or am I missing something still ?

You are correct.

According to the financial report for fiscal year 2014 ToR was one of the games that made less money, that same report also stated that ToR lost money in fiscal year 2013 over 2012.  

EA doesn't break it down by game, it's by service, and they categorize ToR in two groups.  Services and extra content and subscription revenue. 

 

To clarify, I have no issue with the game, I don't even really care about EA either. I just think its silly that people actually think that superdata  is somehow privy to information that not even the share holders are.  

  ryvendark

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7/23/14 8:01:52 PM#57
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Uhwop
 

I don't hate ToR.  I just understand that when the report states it's a significant contributor it means that it's generating enough revenue to warrant mention but isn't the primary contributor. 

EA states that they have 80m in subscription revenue, with BF4 premium being the primary contributor, and that several game services with ToR being a significant contributor make up 211m in revenue for their F2P services. 

In order for ToR to be making EA 165m it would either need to be the primary revenue contributor in their F2P or subscription based revenue, their report says its neither. 

 

[mod edit]

The 211 million is f2p and extra content. It doesn't really say what that means. At least not that I saw. It's also for 2-4 months of the year ? AND ... :) most of the numbers they're listing off are % of increase. If SWTOR went down that could be what they're " hiding" by that comment. It still could be a big portion of whatever the numbers are.

Or am I missing something still ?

You are correct.

According to the financial report for fiscal year 2014 ToR was one of the games that made less money, that same report also stated that ToR lost money in fiscal year 2013 over 2012.  

EA doesn't break it down by game, it's by service, and they categorize ToR in two groups.  Services and extra content and subscription revenue. 

 

To clarify, I have no issue with the game, I don't even really care about EA either. I just think its silly that people actually think that superdata  is somehow privy to information that not even the share holders are.  

I wasn't accusing you of anything :) I find the numbers interesting regardless of the game.

But with a thing like superdata I'd rather see some actual evidence that shows they DON'T have that info. Like say...a lawsuit filed by a game company or a cease and desist order. I just don't think they'd be able to post those numbers like that without permission from the listed game companies.

Now...how accurate they are down to the dollar is anybodies guess. I see them more as a guildline for who's doing what and how much. It's the mmo version of measuring...umm..well.. male sex organs.

  Uhwop

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Posts: 1705

7/23/14 8:12:06 PM#58
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Uhwop
 

I don't hate ToR.  I just understand that when the report states it's a significant contributor it means that it's generating enough revenue to warrant mention but isn't the primary contributor. 

EA states that they have 80m in subscription revenue, with BF4 premium being the primary contributor, and that several game services with ToR being a significant contributor make up 211m in revenue for their F2P services. 

In order for ToR to be making EA 165m it would either need to be the primary revenue contributor in their F2P or subscription based revenue, their report says its neither. 

 

[mod edit]

The 211 million is f2p and extra content. It doesn't really say what that means. At least not that I saw. It's also for 2-4 months of the year ? AND ... :) most of the numbers they're listing off are % of increase. If SWTOR went down that could be what they're " hiding" by that comment. It still could be a big portion of whatever the numbers are.

Or am I missing something still ?

You are correct.

According to the financial report for fiscal year 2014 ToR was one of the games that made less money, that same report also stated that ToR lost money in fiscal year 2013 over 2012.  

EA doesn't break it down by game, it's by service, and they categorize ToR in two groups.  Services and extra content and subscription revenue. 

 

To clarify, I have no issue with the game, I don't even really care about EA either. I just think its silly that people actually think that superdata  is somehow privy to information that not even the share holders are.  

I wasn't accusing you of anything :) I find the numbers interesting regardless of the game.

But with a thing like superdata I'd rather see some actual evidence that shows they DON'T have that info. Like say...a lawsuit filed by a game company or a cease and desist order. I just don't think they'd be able to post those numbers like that without permission from the listed game companies.

Now...how accurate they are down to the dollar is anybodies guess. I see them more as a guildline for who's doing what and how much. It's the mmo version of measuring...umm..well.. male sex organs.

It's cool, I didn't read it like an accusation. 

Super data can actually post whatever they like. Analysts are allowed to make whatever speculations they like; EA can't really do anything about it.  There are companies that make money doing this sort of thing for investors.  

  seafirex

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7/23/14 8:23:01 PM#59
Originally posted by Naevius

Add up the numbers in the pdf and you will see that there is no way in hell SWTOR made 165 million, as Superdata claimed.

Specifically SWTOR is included in the 211m from 'extra content' and the 71 million of new downloads, yet is only a 'contributor' in the former and not even mentioned in the latter. So of the total 282m, it certainly didn't make 165 (over half!).

True, the raw revenue number is not necessarily the net revenue EA is reporting (non-GAAP!), but close enough.

 

EDIT: I have nothing against SWTOR, but I do against SuperData, who are bullshit artists.

 

THIS ^ 

He his right, they don't associate any numbers to SWG. They only mention it contributed. It is a very good game but there is no way it will pull that amount of cash.  The game is still not dead, people play it now that it is free of course, like all the others but it will never pull those big numbers, but it will contribute for sure to those numbers.

  doodphace

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Posts: 1829

7/23/14 8:31:37 PM#60
Originally posted by seafirex
Originally posted by Naevius

Add up the numbers in the pdf and you will see that there is no way in hell SWTOR made 165 million, as Superdata claimed.

Specifically SWTOR is included in the 211m from 'extra content' and the 71 million of new downloads, yet is only a 'contributor' in the former and not even mentioned in the latter. So of the total 282m, it certainly didn't make 165 (over half!).

True, the raw revenue number is not necessarily the net revenue EA is reporting (non-GAAP!), but close enough.

 

EDIT: I have nothing against SWTOR, but I do against SuperData, who are bullshit artists.

 

THIS ^ 

He his right, they don't associate any numbers to SWG. They only mention it contributed. It is a very good game but there is no way it will pull that amount of cash.  The game is still not dead, people play it now that it is free of course, like all the others but it will never pull those big numbers, but it will contribute for sure to those numbers.

Let me start this by saying that I personally don't take any numbers seriously unless they are official or list their sources.

With that out of the way, neither of both your comments makes sense considering that:

A) The game in question is SWTOR.......SWG has been dead for years.

and

B) The superdata numbers are supposedly the entire year 2013. This latest release from EA is for the last few months of 2014...so for sure 3 months of 2014 will not look anything like the 12 months of 2013....Anyone who looks to this as their "smoking gun" to discredit superdata are realllly grasping at imaginary straws.

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