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  PioneerStew

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7/23/14 10:55:15 AM#21

I enjoy SWTOR as a part-time mmo.  It has certainly imrpoved hugely since release, although some of the additions have been a little hit and miss.  Whenever I go on there it is rammed full of people, and my guild has remained steady for a long time.  Particularly with the gambling boxes in the cs (which I loathe) I am not surprised it is making money.    

All that I would say is that it is forever hamstrung by the fact that only huge success could have warranted the cost of a fully voice acted/ cut-scene'd expansion.  Without that huge success we are stuck with these half-arsed efforts.      

  Karahandras

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7/23/14 11:16:28 AM#22
Originally posted by Frostvein

I still don't understand how this game produces as little content as it does, if it is making as much money as it does. Its befuddling.

 

I know people are throwing money at it hands over first as they do in most every F2P game, but something doesn't add up.

If it's any help the disclaimer from superdata back when they released those numbers was essentially that they had gotten some information from some people about how much they spend in unknown games from an unknown source.  Then created some form of average from this and multiplied it by an unknown estimate/guess at the playerbase.  There is the distinct possibility that they had no information on swtor meaning that the numbers they release are not accurate and could be off by quite large amounts.

Why it's getting so little work done in regards to how much it makes is easy.  Every piece of actual evidence suggests that the number of players are continually dropping(like most mmos) and to keep monthly profit margins high while income is dropping they'll have cut monthly costs.

  Phry

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7/23/14 11:47:11 AM#23
Originally posted by Naevius

Add up the numbers in the pdf and you will see that there is no way in hell SWTOR made 165 million, as Superdata claimed.

Specifically SWTOR is included in the 211m from 'extra content' and the 71 million of new downloads, yet is only a 'contributor' in the former and not even mentioned in the latter. So of the total 282m, it certainly didn't make 165 (over half!).

True, the raw revenue number is not necessarily the net revenue EA is reporting (non-GAAP!), but close enough.

 

EDIT: I have nothing against SWTOR, but I do against SuperData, who are bullshit artists.

 

As a fairly long term SW;TOR player/subscriber i tend to agree, SuperData's 'guesstimates' are rarely all that accurate. But i guess if you churn out enough of them, eventually you hit the bullseye, its the old what happens if you put a monkey in front of a typewriter, most of it will be rubbish, and it eats the paper, but there is a slight chance it might spell a word right

  TheLizardbones

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7/23/14 12:30:37 PM#24
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by Foobarx
Originally posted by Frostvein

I still don't understand how this game produces as little content as it does, if it is making as much money as it does. Its befuddling.

 

I know people are throwing money at it hands over first as they do in most every F2P game, but something doesn't add up.

1.  It's a money laundering scheme by some big drug cartel;

2.  The numbers really don't add up; or,

3.  The people who actually play the game, don't make posts about the game.

 

My vote is for number 3.

 

I never said it didn't make money, or that it wasn't making money. It just seems odd to me that despite several posts saying the game is doing well and making money (which is more than likely true, no doubt about it) that there is as little new content as there is, no?

 

Other smaller companies that are (supposedly) making much less money produce content at a much faster pace. Its puzzling.

 

Would you care to quantify the amount of content produced for SWToR?  We know how many updates there have been, because they are listed on their website, but you seem to be over simplifying the process of comparing updates between games.

 

So which smaller companies are producing more actual content than EA is for SWToR, and how are you quantifying that content?  Just curious.

 

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  Distopia

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7/23/14 12:34:44 PM#25
I'll just ignore the numbers and say it's obvious TOR is doing well. That's really all that matters.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Ppiper

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Joined: 2/08/13
Posts: 677

7/23/14 12:38:24 PM#26
Originally posted by Distopia
I'll just ignore the numbers and say it's obvious TOR is doing well. That's really all that matters.

I concur.

  DarLorkar

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Joined: 12/28/07
Posts: 697

7/23/14 12:51:05 PM#27

We have all the info we need to see that it is making money. And no, not the BS super data. 

 

We are talking EA here. they drop ANYTHING that will not make them cash. They have been looting other game companies, and games for a long, long, time.  And they could care less about the players or dev's. They care about cash.

That's it. Long as it adds to positive cash, they will keep it going.  Where that line is, well no one but the bean counters know that:P  And i bet you they are not sharing it with anyone.  

 

 

  Uhwop

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7/23/14 1:00:02 PM#28

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

  Foobarx

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7/23/14 1:21:43 PM#29
Originally posted by allday88
So how many of you haters hating on a video game going on 4 years now, screamed at the top of your lungs when EA did not mention Swtor in their reports?  Now they do mention Swtor in their report and it puts you guys in desperation mode attempting to spin the language to benefit your agenda.  Don't you think it's time to move on? 

But the deer...

 

... the headlights

 

caught in...

  Malabooga

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Posts: 1525

7/23/14 1:36:32 PM#30
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

Dont point out the obvious, it will get you trolled and banned around here when SWTOR is in question.

Just a little reminder:

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

And two thumbs up for yet another EA financial report where EA hides SWTOR numbers behind other successful games and people actually make threads like this with title like this its almost as if some alternate universe posts end up here by mistake.

  Shodanas

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7/23/14 1:39:58 PM#31

It's entertaining watching haters trying to nitpick and bend words and phrases in order to produce "solid" arguments. 

I don't need numbers to judge how the game is doing. I see it everyday with my eyes on the 2 realms i play on

 

  Malabooga

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Joined: 4/25/14
Posts: 1525

7/23/14 1:43:41 PM#32
Originally posted by Shodanas

It's entertaining watching haters trying to nitpick and bend words and phrases in order to produce "solid" arguments. 

I don't need numbers to judge how the game is doing. I see it everyday with my eyes on the 2 realms i play on. 

Yeah, screw the facts im living by anecdotal evidence!

  Shodanas

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7/23/14 1:47:23 PM#33
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

Dont point out the obvious, it will get you trolled and banned around here when SWTOR is in question.

Just a little reminder:

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

And two thumbs up for yet another EA financial report where EA hides SWTOR numbers behind other successful games and people actually make threads like this with title like this.

Very sly from you presenting data from the EU amid the summer season. Post them again after September.

  Malabooga

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Joined: 4/25/14
Posts: 1525

7/23/14 1:53:19 PM#34
Originally posted by Shodanas
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

Dont point out the obvious, it will get you trolled and banned around here when SWTOR is in question.

Just a little reminder:

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

And two thumbs up for yet another EA financial report where EA hides SWTOR numbers behind other successful games and people actually make threads like this with title like this.

Very sly from you presenting data from the EU amid the summer season. Post them again after September.

Data goes YEAR back dude.

  Distopia

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Posts: 17134

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7/23/14 2:01:21 PM#35
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

Dont point out the obvious, it will get you trolled and banned around here when SWTOR is in question.

Just a little reminder:

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

And two thumbs up for yet another EA financial report where EA hides SWTOR numbers behind other successful games and people actually make threads like this with title like this.

What Uwop did was actually post some information, please don't petty it up with this type of rhetoric.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Malabooga

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Joined: 4/25/14
Posts: 1525

7/23/14 2:08:05 PM#36
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

Dont point out the obvious, it will get you trolled and banned around here when SWTOR is in question.

Just a little reminder:

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

And two thumbs up for yet another EA financial report where EA hides SWTOR numbers behind other successful games and people actually make threads like this with title like this.

What Uwop did was actually post some information, please don't petty it up with this type of rhetoric.

Petty rethoric?

Sorry if im not the guy for beating around the bushes and corporate phrases that are forged for single purpose of bullshiting and prefer direct approach to things. If you ever participated on the level in question you would actually find things written here hilarious (as i do).

  Frostvein

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Joined: 7/11/13
Posts: 160

7/23/14 2:14:48 PM#37
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Frostvein
Originally posted by Foobarx
Originally posted by Frostvein

I still don't understand how this game produces as little content as it does, if it is making as much money as it does. Its befuddling.

 

I know people are throwing money at it hands over first as they do in most every F2P game, but something doesn't add up.

1.  It's a money laundering scheme by some big drug cartel;

2.  The numbers really don't add up; or,

3.  The people who actually play the game, don't make posts about the game.

 

My vote is for number 3.

 

I never said it didn't make money, or that it wasn't making money. It just seems odd to me that despite several posts saying the game is doing well and making money (which is more than likely true, no doubt about it) that there is as little new content as there is, no?

 

Other smaller companies that are (supposedly) making much less money produce content at a much faster pace. Its puzzling.

 

Would you care to quantify the amount of content produced for SWToR?  We know how many updates there have been, because they are listed on their website, but you seem to be over simplifying the process of comparing updates between games.

 

So which smaller companies are producing more actual content than EA is for SWToR, and how are you quantifying that content?  Just curious.

 

I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure the guys behind LOTRO, GW2 and Rift had smaller companies, lower budgets, and less income per month then SWTOR had/has and yet produced more content at a faster pace than SWTOR did/does.


 

  ryvendark

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7/23/14 2:20:31 PM#38
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

Dont point out the obvious, it will get you trolled and banned around here when SWTOR is in question.

Just a little reminder:

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

And two thumbs up for yet another EA financial report where EA hides SWTOR numbers behind other successful games and people actually make threads like this with title like this.

What Uwop did was actually post some information, please don't petty it up with this type of rhetoric.

Petty rethoric?

Sorry if im not the guy for beating around the bushes and corporate phrases that are forged for single purpose of bullshiting and prefer direct approach to things. If you ever participated on the level in question you would actually find things written here hilarious (as i do).

How is a third party server stat link "proof" that what EA is saying is a lie ?

  Malabooga

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7/23/14 2:25:42 PM#39
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by Uhwop

EA is saying the opposite of superdata, and the OP didn't provide the full picture. 

Of the 211m that quote is pointing out, ToR is a significant contributor, but not the primary. Those services listed are the primary contributors of their F2P revenue. ToR is listed last and as significant because more revenue was made by the other games listed. If ToR made 165m it would have been listed as leading their F2P revenue.  They can't list ToR as the primary contributor because that report has to follow guidelines set forth by the SEC, which means that it has to be truthful in regards to earnings, even if it's kept slightly vague.  

BF4 premium is providing more subscription revenue than ToR, as stated in the report.  

 

Dont point out the obvious, it will get you trolled and banned around here when SWTOR is in question.

Just a little reminder:

http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu/trends

And two thumbs up for yet another EA financial report where EA hides SWTOR numbers behind other successful games and people actually make threads like this with title like this.

What Uwop did was actually post some information, please don't petty it up with this type of rhetoric.

Petty rethoric?

Sorry if im not the guy for beating around the bushes and corporate phrases that are forged for single purpose of bullshiting and prefer direct approach to things. If you ever participated on the level in question you would actually find things written here hilarious (as i do).

How is a third party server stat link "proof" that what EA is saying is a lie ?

What is EA saying exactly?

And where did anyone say EA lies about anything?

  ryvendark

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7/23/14 2:43:57 PM#40
What was your link saying and what did it have to do with this thread?
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