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General Discussion  » Trion is encouraging botting with LP pots

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  Jackdog

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OP  7/22/14 10:10:10 AM#1

seriously at over 3 dollars each it would cost you almost 1200 a month just to be on a level playing field labor wise.  Trion is encouraging botting gold sellers with this idea

Love the game , hate the pay to win

I miss DAoC

  Caskio

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7/22/14 10:12:49 AM#2
How do you win with more labor points?  I can't attack another player with labor points.

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  Kyleran

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7/22/14 10:15:42 AM#3
Originally posted by Caskio
How do you win with more labor points?  I can't attack another player with labor points.

Yeah, I can't quite figure out the mania for a level playing field with regards to labor points.  Sure people will be able to buy stuff sooner, but eventually I suppose I could build/or craft most anything given enough time.

But then I don't really play MMO's "to win"

 

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  KaronT3

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7/22/14 10:18:55 AM#4
That is a poor excyse to make you buy potions at shops, money seekers...
  Sigrand

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7/22/14 10:21:25 AM#5

Honestly, I would hope that gold sellers fall hard in this game if only for the reason that the players can buy APEX and sell it for in-game gold. Why buy from a gold seller, when you can buy from the dev and get your in-game gold from that?

Also, while I don't like the idea of the labor potions, they're not going to break the game. They have a cooldown, they cost $2 each, and they don't grant too excessive an amount of labor. I'd prefer they didn't exist, but there's no way they remove them from the cash shop when I'm sure they're the most lucrative item on there.

  Foobarx

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7/22/14 10:25:33 AM#6

It's the old "I want to be on top" mentality... they seem to think that in order to have fun in the game, they need to be #1.

 

Must hate people like Bill Gates too... he has all that money and literally does nothing to speak of labor wise and all us peons who work for a living get pittance in return for our labor.

 

It's a game... it's pixels... no one is getting any advantage over anyone... unless you count pixels as an advantage.

  Jackdog

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OP  7/22/14 10:39:47 AM#7
Originally posted by Caskio
How do you win with more labor points?  I can't attack another player with labor points.

I like to craft, everything I do costs LP. harvest a tree 5 points, cut it into lumber another 10. Mining is even worse 5 to mine a regular node and 10 for a fortuna node then another 10 to make 3 ore and stone into a ingot or brick. I burned through 1500 LP in less than a hour mining the other night.  Crafting a single piece of armor can cost hundreds at  higher levels

If you cannot see my point think about mana and health regen being cut to 25 % of the current rate, no mana or health pots ingame except those bought in cash shop. Then maybe you can see what the craters are looking at

 

If you just want to play the game  like WoW lite then the LP will never effect you because the gold sellers will be happy to provide you with crafted goods.

It;s a shame That they have such  deep and intriguing crafting in the game but the only ones who will be able to enjoy it are the gold sellers

I miss DAoC

  HabitualFrogStomp

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7/22/14 10:42:31 AM#8
There's like a million ways to play. Getting ahead is about defining your objective. I just want to own a house, a farm, and travel the world and go on adventures with my friends. There's always gonna be someone out there bigger and badder than you are, you just hope you put off meeting them as long as possible. So buy local, and stay fresh.
  KaronT3

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7/22/14 10:43:00 AM#9
Nothing new here, delete this one...
  Jackdog

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OP  7/22/14 10:44:58 AM#10
Originally posted by Sigrand

Honestly, I would hope that gold sellers fall hard in this game if only for the reason that the players can buy APEX and sell it for in-game gold. Why buy from a gold seller, when you can buy from the dev and get your in-game gold from that?

 

 

why limit LP regen to 2400 a day to keep people from maxxing their crafting in a week yet providing 12K a day in the cash shop so it can be maxxed in 4  days

BTW I am sure the botters will be flooding the message boards supporting this system since it gives them a huge boost while crippling the average player

I miss DAoC

  SpottyGekko

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7/22/14 11:01:03 AM#11

Yeah, the OP is right, charging for goods in shops just encourages crime. Everything should be free, then there will be no theft... 

 

I'm sure AA will have a massive influx of goldsellers at launch. The gamers in the western market have the highest disposable income per capita out of all the areas where the game has launched so far, and a fair slice of them seem to have no scruples about giving their cash to goldsellers. It's no coincidence that goldseller activity has rocketed in all recent AAA MMO launches in the West.

 

About the only way to beat the goldsellers is to remove all traces of an economy from the game, make all loot BoP and automatically give players a L50 character when they login.

  Torval

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7/22/14 11:07:18 AM#12

Would buying a subscription be cheaper than trying to buy labor points in cash shop? I don't necessarily like how they've setup the sub thing in the game, but that's the way it is. This game seems a lot like TOR in that regard, sub is the only way to play and have fun.

The high cost of LP pots in the game is probably more of an incentive not to use them excessively. I doubt they expect anyone to buy that many pots or they expect them to bot. Put a little thought into your premise and conclusion OP.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Jackdog

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OP  7/22/14 11:29:12 AM#13
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Would buying a subscription be cheaper than trying to buy labor points in cash shop? I don't necessarily like how they've setup the sub thing in the game, but that's the way it is. This game seems a lot like TOR in that regard, sub is the only way to play and have fun.

The high cost of LP pots in the game is probably more of an incentive not to use them excessively. I doubt they expect anyone to buy that many pots or they expect them to bot. Put a little thought into your premise and conclusion OP.

 

trust me I have put a lot of thought into it. If the game goes live with labor pots in the cash shop I  will write my 150 bucks off as a bad investment  then just go cash shop using up my package credits to buy LP pots, give them to my guild then delete my account..  Yeah I will rage quit and give qall my stuff to my guild mates

 

How many of you would play a game if all dropped and crafted mana  potions were removed from the game and  potions were sold in the stores then they slowed mana and hp regen where you could only kill mobs for an a hour or so a day. It is the same thing

LP post do not belong in the cash shop, they are fine in the loyalty store

I miss DAoC

  Crusades

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7/22/14 11:33:45 AM#14
This game may end up getting flamed worse than eso. Every day there is more and more negative publicity. Glad I don't feel invested due to squandering money on an alpha.
  User Deleted
7/22/14 11:38:56 AM#15
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Would buying a subscription be cheaper than trying to buy labor points in cash shop? I don't necessarily like how they've setup the sub thing in the game, but that's the way it is. This game seems a lot like TOR in that regard, sub is the only way to play and have fun.

The high cost of LP pots in the game is probably more of an incentive not to use them excessively. I doubt they expect anyone to buy that many pots or they expect them to bot. Put a little thought into your premise and conclusion OP.

 

trust me I have put a lot of thought into it. If the game goes live with labor pots in the cash shop I  will write my 150 bucks off as a bad investment  then just go cash shop using up my package credits to buy LP pots, give them to my guild then delete my account..  Yeah I will rage quit and give qall my stuff to my guild mates

 

How many of you would play a game if all dropped and crafted mana  potions were removed from the game and  potions were sold in the stores then they slowed mana and hp regen where you could only kill mobs for an a hour or so a day. It is the same thing

LP post do not belong in the cash shop, they are fine in the loyalty store

I should say first that I have no real interest in Archeage.  So my opinion is purely based on my own experience during the beta and what I read online.

That said, I initially thought your first post in this thread was overly dramatic and wasn't a good representation of how things are.  But, over the course of the thread, I can safely say that I agree with you and your analogies are spot-on.

Even during my limited play the lack of labor points annoyed me to the point that I was wondering why they even existed.  Any other game doesn't use a slow-regen 'currency' in order to identify loot, harvest, craft, farm, etc etc.  So why does it even exist? 

I don't claim to know a great deal about the game first-hand, but I believe I know enough to understand and agree with the premise of your argument.

  Jackdog

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OP  7/22/14 11:39:16 AM#16
Originally posted by Crusades
This game may end up getting flamed worse than eso. Every day there is more and more negative publicity. Glad I don't feel invested due to squandering money on an alpha.

A week ago and I would have argued with you, but after seeing that cash shop I have to agree

I miss DAoC

  Torval

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7/22/14 11:43:40 AM#17
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Torvaldr

Would buying a subscription be cheaper than trying to buy labor points in cash shop? I don't necessarily like how they've setup the sub thing in the game, but that's the way it is. This game seems a lot like TOR in that regard, sub is the only way to play and have fun.

The high cost of LP pots in the game is probably more of an incentive not to use them excessively. I doubt they expect anyone to buy that many pots or they expect them to bot. Put a little thought into your premise and conclusion OP.

trust me I have put a lot of thought into it. If the game goes live with labor pots in the cash shop I  will write my 150 bucks off as a bad investment  then just go cash shop using up my package credits to buy LP pots, give them to my guild then delete my account..  Yeah I will rage quit and give qall my stuff to my guild mates

How many of you would play a game if all dropped and crafted mana  potions were removed from the game and  potions were sold in the stores then they slowed mana and hp regen where you could only kill mobs for an a hour or so a day. It is the same thing

LP post do not belong in the cash shop, they are fine in the loyalty store

Pondering isn't the same thing and thinking through a premise and conclusion. You spent a lot of time pondering over that you don't like the system. You didn't spend a lot of time thinking about your argument and conclusion.

The goal of these sorts of implementations typically are to limit how much people use the system. You don't think you should be limited and you don't want to spend any extra money. You want all the advantage of the buff for no extra charge and you'll quit if you don't get your way. Okay.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Foobarx

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7/22/14 11:49:18 AM#18
Originally posted by Crusades
This game may end up getting flamed worse than eso. Every day there is more and more negative publicity. Glad I don't feel invested due to squandering money on an alpha.

That's because most everyone has already left ESO... and are in the midst of leaving Wildstar... this is the only target left in town... at least until WoD comes out.  

 

It's hunting season... and since school is out... they've got a lot of free time to hunt.

  alkarionlog

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7/22/14 11:56:08 AM#19
Originally posted by Jackdog
Originally posted by Sigrand

Honestly, I would hope that gold sellers fall hard in this game if only for the reason that the players can buy APEX and sell it for in-game gold. Why buy from a gold seller, when you can buy from the dev and get your in-game gold from that?

 

 

why limit LP regen to 2400 a day to keep people from maxxing their crafting in a week yet providing 12K a day in the cash shop so it can be maxxed in 4  days

BTW I am sure the botters will be flooding the message boards supporting this system since it gives them a huge boost while crippling the average player

labor potions have a 12 hour cd, and can be bough with loyalty tokens, its hardly that much, I ahve issues witht eh combat "fix" they did, and the recipes changes, plus trade packs

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  Crusades

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7/22/14 11:56:18 AM#20
Originally posted by Foobarx
Originally posted by Crusades
This game may end up getting flamed worse than eso. Every day there is more and more negative publicity. Glad I don't feel invested due to squandering money on an alpha.

That's because most everyone has already left ESO... and are in the midst of leaving Wildstar... this is the only target left in town... at least until WoD comes out.  

 

It's hunting season... and since school is out... they've got a lot of free time to hunt.

 

Wildstar has an excuse - it's to hardcore. WoD - for every one person that hates on WoW there are three that love it, so WoW hunting season is pointless. Archeage is a heart breaker though, we were about to get something unique, unfortunately Trion thinks we are craving uniqueness that much that we would allow ourselves to become invested in a pay to win title like Archeage. It would be different if there were other games like Archeage, but nope they got us by the balls and they know it.
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