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  lizardbones

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7/22/14 6:12:24 PM#81
Originally posted by Malabooga
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Malabooga

Be careful, last time i said this idiocy with superdata is BS and they dont have any more info than anyone else on the internet  (which they dont and their guess is as good as anyone elses) i got banned, but thats SWTOR forums moderation for ya.

It goes as far as being cited in articles on MMORPG.com which is beyond comprehnsion, those who do that should never be allowed to write anything public ever again.

 

Except they do have more information than anyone else on the internet.  In fact, they probably have more information than everyone else on the internet aside from the developers and publishers themselves.  Superdata is working directly with the developers and publishers.  Where do you think they get their information?  Raptr?  Xfire?  No.  It comes from the people producing the games.

 

**

 

That chart with revenues for different games is for 2013.  Kind of old.  Would be more interesting to see something for YTD 2014.

 

Im also working directly with "developers and publishers", some of my friends made some apps.

It makes ME king of the hill and prime authority on every number on anything.

Yes, for games that dont release numbers they have "third party sources" exactly like Raptr, XFire, conference calls and such. Read their actual page dude.

 

You aren't working with the developers and publishers in question.  SuperData actually gets information from the publishers in question.

 

I have read their actual page, and the list of publishers and developers they work with.  That's also their customer list.

 

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  daltanious

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7/22/14 7:20:54 PM#82
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

I think it is solit 2nd, I do not believe to that numbers. They can not be serious with TERA and Lineage 1. 

  Prenho3

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7/22/14 7:28:42 PM#83
Originally posted by daltanious
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

I think it is solit 2nd, I do not believe to that numbers. They can not be serious with TERA and Lineage 1. 

Lineage 1 and TERA are pretty popular in Asian markets. And  L1 made in 2013 287 billion KRW(korean currency) according NCSOFT

 

http://imageshack.com/a/img593/3328/1zef.png

  noncley

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7/22/14 7:35:03 PM#84
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by psiic
Strange that those numbers do not match internal investor quarterly reports for at least three of the top four companies.

 

 

Sometimes you have to take what the " experts " say with a grain of salt.



That's because superdata is nothing more than a site that has permission to make educated guesses and turn them into news stories. That's what their partnerships with ncsoft, ea, etc allow.

 

Superdata is about as accurate as Nostradamus.

  User Deleted
7/22/14 7:35:22 PM#85
Originally posted by daltanious
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

I think it is solit 2nd, I do not believe to that numbers. They can not be serious with TERA and Lineage 1. 

Oh I can and before another of you fanbois attacks it: SWTOR is global, Lineage 1 is in one region so it is more than fair. They would a made more cash with a 60 USD a pop KOTOR 3 with open world bits and mod support rather than this Lucas worthy PoS. The delivery of the story is ace though shame the story is ...5th grader on back of schoolbook worthy. The Twilight author could have squeezed out something better ( the back story is interesting especially the Jedi archives but boy do they shit on that potential in-game ).

  User Deleted
7/22/14 9:29:32 PM#86


Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by Malabooga

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by Malabooga Be careful, last time i said this idiocy with superdata is BS and they dont have any more info than anyone else on the internet  (which they dont and their guess is as good as anyone elses) i got banned, but thats SWTOR forums moderation for ya. It goes as far as being cited in articles on MMORPG.com which is beyond comprehnsion, those who do that should never be allowed to write anything public ever again.
  Except they do have more information than anyone else on the internet.  In fact, they probably have more information than everyone else on the internet aside from the developers and publishers themselves.  Superdata is working directly with the developers and publishers.  Where do you think they get their information?  Raptr?  Xfire?  No.  It comes from the people producing the games.   **   That chart with revenues for different games is for 2013.  Kind of old.  Would be more interesting to see something for YTD 2014.  
Im also working directly with "developers and publishers", some of my friends made some apps. It makes ME king of the hill and prime authority on every number on anything. Yes, for games that dont release numbers they have "third party sources" exactly like Raptr, XFire, conference calls and such. Read their actual page dude.
 

You aren't working with the developers and publishers in question.  SuperData actually gets information from the publishers in question.

 

I have read their actual page, and the list of publishers and developers they work with.  That's also their customer list.

 


That's not how it works. But they do a good job of making it sound like that heh.

  Mkilbride

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7/22/14 9:35:08 PM#87

I find it funny.

 

When SuperData released poor sub numbers for SWTOR, there was many topics arguing about it saying SuperData was junk.

 

Now that it supports the game -they- like, suddenly it could not BE more legit.

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  jpnz

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7/23/14 1:26:22 AM#88

It is always hilarious to find 'haters' come up with any excuses to bash SWTOR.

Last I checked, SuperData's numbers are within reasonable margins when compared to EA's financials.

 

And if you can't understand why EA's financials are facts, you have bigger issues than bashing a video game. LOL!

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  lizardbones

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7/23/14 6:37:51 AM#89
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by Malabooga

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by Malabooga Be careful, last time i said this idiocy with superdata is BS and they dont have any more info than anyone else on the internet  (which they dont and their guess is as good as anyone elses) i got banned, but thats SWTOR forums moderation for ya. It goes as far as being cited in articles on MMORPG.com which is beyond comprehnsion, those who do that should never be allowed to write anything public ever again.
  Except they do have more information than anyone else on the internet.  In fact, they probably have more information than everyone else on the internet aside from the developers and publishers themselves.  Superdata is working directly with the developers and publishers.  Where do you think they get their information?  Raptr?  Xfire?  No.  It comes from the people producing the games.   **   That chart with revenues for different games is for 2013.  Kind of old.  Would be more interesting to see something for YTD 2014.  
Im also working directly with "developers and publishers", some of my friends made some apps. It makes ME king of the hill and prime authority on every number on anything. Yes, for games that dont release numbers they have "third party sources" exactly like Raptr, XFire, conference calls and such. Read their actual page dude.
 

 

You aren't working with the developers and publishers in question.  SuperData actually gets information from the publishers in question.

 

I have read their actual page, and the list of publishers and developers they work with.  That's also their customer list.

 


 

That's not how it works. But they do a good job of making it sound like that heh.

 

How then does it work?  There are only four real possibilities here.

  • SuperData is getting a sampling of information from developers and calculating population statistics.
  • SuperData is getting overall population information and just rearranging it to present it.
  • SuperData is making information up using publically available information.
  • SuperData is buying information from Raptr or XFire and reselling it to developers.
 

It doesn't seem likely that developers would pay money for information they could make up themselves using Raptr or XFire.  It also doesn't seem likely that SuperData could employ four people just reselling Raptr or XFire information.  Especially when Raptr or XFire would be more than happy to sell their information to developers too.  That's one of the ways that Raptr and XFire make money btw.  The gamers are their product, not their customers. 

 

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  SuperNick

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Posts: 461

7/23/14 6:52:14 AM#90

Oh, it's superdata again, the company who cooks its research to attract users.

It honestly looks like the owner's kid just punches some numbers into a Excel sheet and he says "Fine job, son. We'll upload that right away."

  Uhwop

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7/23/14 7:25:51 AM#91
Hi, all the people that think superdata gets information directly from the publishers, please contact me for some very lucrative investment opportunities.  
  User Deleted
7/23/14 1:40:26 PM#92


Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by Malabooga

Originally posted by lizardbones

Originally posted by Malabooga Be careful, last time i said this idiocy with superdata is BS and they dont have any more info than anyone else on the internet  (which they dont and their guess is as good as anyone elses) i got banned, but thats SWTOR forums moderation for ya. It goes as far as being cited in articles on MMORPG.com which is beyond comprehnsion, those who do that should never be allowed to write anything public ever again.
  Except they do have more information than anyone else on the internet.  In fact, they probably have more information than everyone else on the internet aside from the developers and publishers themselves.  Superdata is working directly with the developers and publishers.  Where do you think they get their information?  Raptr?  Xfire?  No.  It comes from the people producing the games.   **   That chart with revenues for different games is for 2013.  Kind of old.  Would be more interesting to see something for YTD 2014.  
Im also working directly with "developers and publishers", some of my friends made some apps. It makes ME king of the hill and prime authority on every number on anything. Yes, for games that dont release numbers they have "third party sources" exactly like Raptr, XFire, conference calls and such. Read their actual page dude.
    You aren't working with the developers and publishers in question.  SuperData actually gets information from the publishers in question.   I have read their actual page, and the list of publishers and developers they work with.  That's also their customer list.  
  That's not how it works. But they do a good job of making it sound like that heh.
 

How then does it work?  There are only four real possibilities here.

  • SuperData is getting a sampling of information from developers and calculating population statistics. SuperData is getting overall population information and just rearranging it to present it. SuperData is making information up using publically available information. SuperData is buying information from Raptr or XFire and reselling it to developers.
 It doesn't seem likely that developers would pay money for information they could make up themselves using Raptr or XFire.  It also doesn't seem likely that SuperData could employ four people just reselling Raptr or XFire information.  Especially when Raptr or XFire would be more than happy to sell their information to developers too.  That's one of the ways that Raptr and XFire make money btw.  The gamers are their product, not their customers. 

 


Not sure why you are defending that site so hard. They are an entertainment news site, always have been. You can even subscribe to their various channels for up to the minute scoops. And you'll also be required to acknowledge before purchasing that you are aware this is for entertainment purposes only and their numbers are neither official nor confirmed by their partners. Their partnership btw simply allows them to do this without getting sued. Im sure their are stipulations like they cannot make a game look bad, which if you have looked at their site more than a few times, you'll notice every partner's games are doing great.

  Distopia

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7/23/14 1:54:59 PM#93
Originally posted by Uhwop
Hi, all the people that think superdata gets information directly from the publishers, please contact me for some very lucrative investment opportunities.  

It says they do multiple times....So if you have proof they don't, enlighten us....

http://www.superdataresearch.com/services

"By collecting transaction data directly from publishers and developers, our data reports include market-level insights into MMO, social and mobile games, and emerging markets. "

 
"Q: 
What type of data do we have and where do we get it?
A: 

Every month we collect the spending data of millions of unique paying online gamers directly from publishers and developers, totaling 50+ publishers and 450+ game titles."

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  ryvendark

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7/23/14 2:03:58 PM#94

Are people here conducting in depth market research with their posts or are they making dumb comments based on a website ?

Superdata says game A made 130 million last year

One side says that number is total BS

One side says it's an accurate or educated guess.

Say the real number is 105 million

With regards to what goes on here on the forums and the agenda people really have towards these numbers, is being 25 million off when talking about a game that made over 100 million important ? Does it change what is really trying to be said when arguing these numbers ?

  Distopia

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7/23/14 2:10:39 PM#95
Originally posted by ryvendark

Are people here conducting in depth market research with their posts or are they making dumb comments based on a website ?

Superdata says game A made 130 million last year

One side says that number is total BS

One side says it's an accurate or educated guess.

Say the real number is 105 million

With regards to what goes on here on the forums and the agenda people really have towards these numbers, is being 25 million off when talking about a game that made over 100 million important ? Does it change what is really trying to be said when arguing these numbers ?

I want to know when common sense comes into play, what purpose would a bunch of random numbers serve to publishers, why would they use this service if that's all it is? How would they forecast anything if what they get isn't at least close to accurate on what has come before?

IF people can answer these questions with logical answers, I would be much obliged.

 

 

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  ryvendark

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7/23/14 2:15:41 PM#96
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by ryvendark

Are people here conducting in depth market research with their posts or are they making dumb comments based on a website ?

Superdata says game A made 130 million last year

One side says that number is total BS

One side says it's an accurate or educated guess.

Say the real number is 105 million

With regards to what goes on here on the forums and the agenda people really have towards these numbers, is being 25 million off when talking about a game that made over 100 million important ? Does it change what is really trying to be said when arguing these numbers ?

I want to know when common sense comes into play, what purpose would a bunch of random numbers serve to publishers, why would they use this service if that's all it is? How would they forecast anything if what they get isn't at least close to accurate on what has come before?

 

 

 

I don't think common sense ever plays a big part in what goes on here. I guess the people that don't like superdata don't believe developers actually use it. Not sure who they think pays that monster sub or how that site maintains itself but if you can turn a blind eye to the obvious it's not all that hard to ignore anything.

Remember some ppl here still call swtor the biggest flop in mmo history and think it's lost money ever since launching...and yet they know it's an EA game. Try and explain that one.

  Tamanous

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7/23/14 2:22:11 PM#97
Originally posted by Impacthound
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

 

165 million total revenue

minus 139 confirmed cartel coins alone =

24 million in subscriber revenue

so the second paragraph means SWTOR had 23.4 million in sub money, not 23.4 million active accounts.

23.4 million, broken down into $15 monthly payments, 12 times a year, is 127,777 subscribed accounts. Slightly more with people who sub for only part of the year, balanced back down by people who pay 3 or 6 month discounts.

Split those 127k subs up between 13 servers, and you have roughly 9,800 subscribers per server at any given time(up or down, depending on if you're on a dying server like POT5 or a populated one like Harbinger)

Interesting population information averages.

Swtor makes WAY more cash from the cartel market. The number of players who buy the cartel pack bundles blows my mind. When new ones come out the auction house is flooded and that does not even count the number of players who simply open every single one of them. Bioware makes a KILLING on people who do not even blink an eye at throwing $60+ into the cashshop every month or 2.

 

I typically have an mmo I return to from time to time and Swtor is currently that mmo (although my frustrations with their pvp gear grind usually forces me to leave). A while back (before sold to PWI) it was Champions Online. Some games are simply fun to play for a month or 2 then a 6-12 month break is needed.

You stay sassy!

  Azaron_Nightblade

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Joined: 9/27/12
Posts: 1362

7/23/14 2:26:18 PM#98
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by ryvendark

Are people here conducting in depth market research with their posts or are they making dumb comments based on a website ?

Superdata says game A made 130 million last year

One side says that number is total BS

One side says it's an accurate or educated guess.

Say the real number is 105 million

With regards to what goes on here on the forums and the agenda people really have towards these numbers, is being 25 million off when talking about a game that made over 100 million important ? Does it change what is really trying to be said when arguing these numbers ?

I want to know when common sense comes into play, what purpose would a bunch of random numbers serve to publishers, why would they use this service if that's all it is? How would they forecast anything if what they get isn't at least close to accurate on what has come before?

 

 

 

I don't think common sense ever plays a big part in what goes on here. I guess the people that don't like superdata don't believe developers actually use it. Not sure who they think pays that monster sub or how that site maintains itself but if you can turn a blind eye to the obvious it's not all that hard to ignore anything.

Remember some ppl here still call swtor the biggest flop in mmo history and think it's lost money ever since launching...and yet they know it's an EA game. Try and explain that one.

They do lead blessed little lives, stuck in their own little reality bubbles like that. And the moment someone or something threatens their version of "reality" they get violently angry.

Hmm, I think I saw some other people like that... I think it was in one of those movies about an asylum.

My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)

  User Deleted
7/23/14 2:30:28 PM#99
Originally posted by Mkilbride
I'm having trouble believing this list. For one, I don't see FFXI or XIV on it, both of which have released sub numbers recently to be in the hundreds of thousands for XI and millions for XIV.  Tera is dying, if you go to their forums, or in game where the new areas are completely void of human players. Regardless of server.  Also, I don't like Rift, but it's fairly popular.  Find it hard to believe it can be behind Lineage 2.

 

Suspended disbelief of the veracity of these numbers put aside, I actually wouldn't be too surprised that Rift is low on the list, judging by the different cash shop/sub benefits models these companies have in-game.

 

When playing SWTOR and LOTRO I saw clear-cut benefits from the start to subbing, and eventually did in both games for the entirety of my duration there. But when playing Rift, I bought 1 month patron status when I first started, then saw it as non-essential/not worth the $15 and ended up playing truly free for my duration in Telara without feeling I had missed much.

 

@ SWTOR: good for you, it's a solid game. Now put out content on a more regular basis, please. 

  kresa3333

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Joined: 2/04/14
Posts: 65

7/23/14 2:36:12 PM#100

Honestly if they had more endgame content on realese it still would have been a p2p game with probebly alot more crazy content in it by now, but well humans far from perfect and making mistakes is something we really good at.
But i glad they recovered, so much effort put into the game back then would have been a shame if it would just died out.

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