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  doodphace

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7/22/14 10:09:18 AM#41
Originally posted by Tyggs
Originally posted by Ekadd
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

FFXIV: ARR has more than 2 million players and not even in first 10 games. Like Rift has less players than FFXIV: ARR but 10th on list and you really believe that list?

Now know know the power of the cash shop.

Not really. Read my last 2 posts. FFXIV does not have 2 million players/subs, it has 2 million "registered accounts/accounts created". 2 million people have tried the game at one point or another, who knows how many are actially still subbed. SE has never released that info. People crap on EA about SWTOR, but at least they were releasing active subscription data well over a year after SWTOR launched. SE hasn't done it once yet for FFXIV ARR.

  ryvendark

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7/22/14 10:20:17 AM#42

So if it said what you already believe then it's reasonable and accurate.

If it says something you don't want to be true it's just a made up number any random 5 year old could have come up with.

Sounds like a logical way to look at the world.

  doodphace

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7/22/14 10:35:04 AM#43
Originally posted by ryvendark

So if it said what you already believe then it's reasonable and accurate.

If it says something you don't want to be true it's just a made up number any random 5 year old could have come up with.

Sounds like a logical way to look at the world.

Hense why you should only consider officialy sourced numbers, wether good or bad for your game of choice. I see a LOT of double standards on this site in the last day. In an effort to not get banned for directly calling people out, I will just generally point out that there are posters on this and the ESO thread going who argued that SWTOR was not the 2nd most played MMO in the west, then arguing that the superdata was accurate for ESO subs, but is all of a sudden not accurate now that superdata also indicates that SWTOR is the 2nd in the west.

 

 

  Bigdaddyx

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7/22/14 10:38:55 AM#44
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by ryvendark

So if it said what you already believe then it's reasonable and accurate.

If it says something you don't want to be true it's just a made up number any random 5 year old could have come up with.

Sounds like a logical way to look at the world.

Hense why you should only consider officialy sourced numbers, wether good or bad for your game of choice. I see a LOT of double standards on this site in the last day. In an effort to not get banned for directly calling people out, I will just generally point out that there are posters on this and the ESO thread going who argued that SWTOR was not the 2nd most played MMO in the west, then arguing that the superdata was accurate for ESO subs, but is all of a sudden not accurate now that superdata also indicates that SWTOR is the 2nd in the west.

 

 

Moreover when EA released official subs some time ago  a lot of people here refused to believe it. And same people have no trouble lapping up superdata numbers. Atleast EA  released official numbers, Zenimax on the other hand never did.

  greatskys

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Posts: 360

7/22/14 10:51:20 AM#45
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Ekadd
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

FFXIV: ARR has more than 2 million players and not even in first 10 games. Like Rift has less players than FFXIV: ARR but 10th on list and you really believe that list?

FFXIV: ARR has 2 million registered accounts, not players. People on this site really should learn the difference between a "registered account" and a "subscriber/player"

Some sites did report it as 2 million subscribers but they may have got it mixed up too .

  ryvendark

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7/22/14 10:59:44 AM#46
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by ryvendark

So if it said what you already believe then it's reasonable and accurate.

If it says something you don't want to be true it's just a made up number any random 5 year old could have come up with.

Sounds like a logical way to look at the world.

Hense why you should only consider officialy sourced numbers, wether good or bad for your game of choice. I see a LOT of double standards on this site in the last day. In an effort to not get banned for directly calling people out, I will just generally point out that there are posters on this and the ESO thread going who argued that SWTOR was not the 2nd most played MMO in the west, then arguing that the superdata was accurate for ESO subs, but is all of a sudden not accurate now that superdata also indicates that SWTOR is the 2nd in the west.

 

 

For your game of choice ? What do these numbers have to do with what game you like to play ? The McDonalds refrence really does apply to that kind of logic I'm sorry to say.

These numbers are as good or bad as any other number out there. Nothing they really say should mean anything to someone picking a game. That's the whole problem with them. Someone likes a game like ESO so they believe it has to be the biggest best game. Someone hates it so it has to be failing. They like SWTOR but hate ESO so the SWOTR numbers are right and the ESO ones are wrong.... that's just stupid.

The numbers are just something to talk about. Even if they're not 100% accurate, they're just a ball park figure to have a conversation over what's doing well.

  doodphace

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7/22/14 11:05:45 AM#47
Originally posted by greatskys
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Ekadd
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

FFXIV: ARR has more than 2 million players and not even in first 10 games. Like Rift has less players than FFXIV: ARR but 10th on list and you really believe that list?

FFXIV: ARR has 2 million registered accounts, not players. People on this site really should learn the difference between a "registered account" and a "subscriber/player"

Some sites did report it as 2 million subscribers but they may have got it mixed up too .

There is only 1 site I can find who misinterprated SE's announcement as subscriptions (craveonline), and interestingly enough, thats the only site ppl on here quoted at the time. The actual announcement from SE, and reported on properly by just about every other major news site, was "registered accounts".

  doodphace

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7/22/14 11:08:36 AM#48
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by ryvendark

So if it said what you already believe then it's reasonable and accurate.

If it says something you don't want to be true it's just a made up number any random 5 year old could have come up with.

Sounds like a logical way to look at the world.

Hense why you should only consider officialy sourced numbers, wether good or bad for your game of choice. I see a LOT of double standards on this site in the last day. In an effort to not get banned for directly calling people out, I will just generally point out that there are posters on this and the ESO thread going who argued that SWTOR was not the 2nd most played MMO in the west, then arguing that the superdata was accurate for ESO subs, but is all of a sudden not accurate now that superdata also indicates that SWTOR is the 2nd in the west.

 

 

For your game of choice ? What do these numbers have to do with what game you like to play ? The McDonalds refrence really does apply to that kind of logic I'm sorry to say.

These numbers are as good or bad as any other number out there. Nothing they really say should mean anything to someone picking a game. That's the whole problem with them. Someone likes a game like ESO so they believe it has to be the biggest best game. Someone hates it so it has to be failing. They like SWTOR but hate ESO so the SWOTR numbers are right and the ESO ones are wrong.... that's just stupid.

The numbers are just something to talk about. Even if they're not 100% accurate, they're just a ball park figure to have a conversation over what's doing well.

When I mean is, if the numbers are good for their game, people will swear by the numbers. if the number are good for another game or bad for theirs, they will question the numbers.

My view is, "good or bad for your game of choice", nobody should read into unsourced numbers, let alone unofficial ones.

I have ZERO idea what you are tlaking about with your McDonalds reference by the way....

  Ekadd

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Joined: 7/09/09
Posts: 241

7/22/14 11:09:29 AM#49
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Ekadd
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

FFXIV: ARR has more than 2 million players and not even in first 10 games. Like Rift has less players than FFXIV: ARR but 10th on list and you really believe that list?

FFXIV: ARR has 2 million registered accounts, not players. People on this site really should learn the difference between a "registered account" and a "subscriber/player"

i know whats different between registered account and subscriber smart boy..

Well some websites says more than 2 million ppl plays the game, not only registered accounts so. i dont have SUPERDATARESEARCH  center like that to look for it.

  Azphel

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Joined: 7/10/12
Posts: 27

7/22/14 11:10:07 AM#50
You can get a pretty good idea what game population is like for FFXIV  if you watch the server list in game for when servers rotate being locked to new character creations. I know mine Leviathan is locked more often then not. Always a ton of people every where I go in game. Honestly I'm willing to say my opinion being that FFXIV has a much bigger subscription count then SWTOR.

  doodphace

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Joined: 6/19/12
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7/22/14 11:15:56 AM#51
Originally posted by Ekadd
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Ekadd
Originally posted by Sevenstar61

Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

 

 

FFXIV: ARR has more than 2 million players and not even in first 10 games. Like Rift has less players than FFXIV: ARR but 10th on list and you really believe that list?

FFXIV: ARR has 2 million registered accounts, not players. People on this site really should learn the difference between a "registered account" and a "subscriber/player"

i know whats different between registered account and subscriber smart boy..

Well some websites says more than 2 million ppl plays the game, not only registered accounts so. i dont have SUPERDATARESEARCH  center like that to look for it.

When i run a google search for "Final Fantasy XIV 2 million subscribers", the first page alone has 6 sites properly reporting "registered accounts", and only 1 who incorrectly misinterprated it as "subscribers/players".

You don't have to get mad and hurl personal attacks simply because I am able to use google....

  Allacore69

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Joined: 10/25/12
Posts: 878

7/22/14 11:21:07 AM#52


Originally posted by Azphel
You can get a pretty good idea what game population is like for FFXIV  if you watch the server list in game for when servers rotate being locked to new character creations. I know mine Leviathan is locked more often then not. Always a ton of people every where I go in game. Honestly I'm willing to say my opinion being that FFXIV has a much bigger subscription count then SWTOR.

Same on Cactuar as well.

  Allacore69

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Posts: 878

7/22/14 11:23:58 AM#53


Originally posted by doodphace

Originally posted by Ekadd

Originally posted by doodphace

Originally posted by Ekadd

Originally posted by Sevenstar61 Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/    
FFXIV: ARR has more than 2 million players and not even in first 10 games. Like Rift has less players than FFXIV: ARR but 10th on list and you really believe that list?
FFXIV: ARR has 2 million registered accounts, not players. People on this site really should learn the difference between a "registered account" and a "subscriber/player"
i know whats different between registered account and subscriber smart boy.. Well some websites says more than 2 million ppl plays the game, not only registered accounts so. i dont have SUPERDATARESEARCH  center like that to look for it.
When i run a google search for "Final Fantasy XIV 2 million subscribers", the first page alone has 6 sites properly reporting "registered accounts", and only 1 who incorrectly misinterprated it as "subscribers/players".

You don't have to get mad and hurl personal attacks simply because I am able to use google....


Actually as of right now its 2.5 million regestered accounts. If even half are actually subbed then thats more than a million subs.

No matter how you try and put it, FF has more subbers than SWTOR. I mean even if you took 2.5 and cut it in half and then cut it in half again, FF still has more subs than SWTOR.

  ryvendark

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7/22/14 11:24:21 AM#54
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by ryvendark

 

For your game of choice ? What do these numbers have to do with what game you like to play ? The McDonalds refrence really does apply to that kind of logic I'm sorry to say.

These numbers are as good or bad as any other number out there. Nothing they really say should mean anything to someone picking a game. That's the whole problem with them. Someone likes a game like ESO so they believe it has to be the biggest best game. Someone hates it so it has to be failing. They like SWTOR but hate ESO so the SWOTR numbers are right and the ESO ones are wrong.... that's just stupid.

The numbers are just something to talk about. Even if they're not 100% accurate, they're just a ball park figure to have a conversation over what's doing well.

When I mean is, if the numbers are good for their game, people will swear by the numbers. if the number are good for another game or bad for theirs, they will question the numbers.

My view is, "good or bad for your game of choice", nobody should read into unsourced numbers, let alone unofficial ones.

I have ZERO idea what you are tlaking about with your McDonalds reference by the way....

The McD's refrence is just because a lot of people like it doesn't make it good. It's true if it's a personal opinon on something like a game. Having 12 million subs didn't mean everyone liked wow.

No one should read into official numbers either. In the grand scheme of things they mean as little as superdata's numbers do. Them making a lot of money doesn't mean they'll pour it all back into the game or that you'll see higher quality content....or that someone else will like it more than another game.

All they really do is give us a topic to discuse WHY so many people play or why they spend so much money on that game. It shows that dispite what you read here that style of game is still very popular. Trying to make these numbers mean your game is better than another is as dumb as any other reason why it's better. If the person you're talking to doesn't like it, they're not good reasons.

  vandal5627

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7/22/14 11:25:33 AM#55
Regarding FFXIV ARR, it is registered accounts not subscriptions but you people are weird.  All these games are doing well, that's why they are still up and running.  Whey the hell do you care so much?  Just play the game you enjoy and let others enjoy what they enjoy.  So much nonsense for no freaking reason at all.
  Allacore69

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7/22/14 11:28:45 AM#56


Originally posted by vandal5627
Regarding FFXIV ARR, it is registered accounts not subscriptions but you people are weird.  All these games are doing well, that's why they are still up and running.  Whey the hell do you care so much?  Just play the game you enjoy and let others enjoy what they enjoy.  So much nonsense for no freaking reason at all.

This ^^^^

+1

Best comment I read all day !!

  doodphace

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Joined: 6/19/12
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7/22/14 11:29:46 AM#57
Originally posted by Allacore69

 


Originally posted by doodphace

Originally posted by Ekadd

Originally posted by doodphace

Originally posted by Ekadd

Originally posted by Sevenstar61 Based on information from Superdata SWTOR is 4th sub based MMO in the world http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/    
FFXIV: ARR has more than 2 million players and not even in first 10 games. Like Rift has less players than FFXIV: ARR but 10th on list and you really believe that list?
FFXIV: ARR has 2 million registered accounts, not players. People on this site really should learn the difference between a "registered account" and a "subscriber/player"
i know whats different between registered account and subscriber smart boy.. Well some websites says more than 2 million ppl plays the game, not only registered accounts so. i dont have SUPERDATARESEARCH  center like that to look for it.
When i run a google search for "Final Fantasy XIV 2 million subscribers", the first page alone has 6 sites properly reporting "registered accounts", and only 1 who incorrectly misinterprated it as "subscribers/players".

 

You don't have to get mad and hurl personal attacks simply because I am able to use google....


 

Actually as of right now its 2.5 million regestered accounts. If even half are actually subbed then thats more than a million subs.

No matter how you try and put it, FF has more subbers than SWTOR. I mean even if you took 2.5 and cut it in half and then cut it in half again, FF still has more subs than SWTOR.

Don't turn this into something that was never mentioned. I never said FFXIV didn't have more subs than SWTOR, I said it didn't have 2 million players. if half are actually subbed (a generaous guess but I am willing to run with it), that is less than 2 million players, is it not?

  Thessik_Irontail

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7/22/14 11:40:38 AM#58

Honestly SWTOR is a good MMO. Even after all these newer MMOs like GW2, Wildstar, FF14, ESO, etc... I think that aside from WoW (by a large margin mind you), SWTOR is the next best MMORPG available. 

I eventually did go back to WoW because I really enjoy that game, but SWTOR was the only MMO to hold me for an extended time. Wildstar lasted 1 month, GW2 lasted 3 weeks, but I played SWTOR for six months, it was good.

I can see SWTOR getting a huge boost when the new starwars movies are being released every year.

  doodphace

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7/22/14 2:06:49 PM#59
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by ryvendark

 

For your game of choice ? What do these numbers have to do with what game you like to play ? The McDonalds refrence really does apply to that kind of logic I'm sorry to say.

These numbers are as good or bad as any other number out there. Nothing they really say should mean anything to someone picking a game. That's the whole problem with them. Someone likes a game like ESO so they believe it has to be the biggest best game. Someone hates it so it has to be failing. They like SWTOR but hate ESO so the SWOTR numbers are right and the ESO ones are wrong.... that's just stupid.

The numbers are just something to talk about. Even if they're not 100% accurate, they're just a ball park figure to have a conversation over what's doing well.

When I mean is, if the numbers are good for their game, people will swear by the numbers. if the number are good for another game or bad for theirs, they will question the numbers.

My view is, "good or bad for your game of choice", nobody should read into unsourced numbers, let alone unofficial ones.

I have ZERO idea what you are tlaking about with your McDonalds reference by the way....

The McD's refrence is just because a lot of people like it doesn't make it good. It's true if it's a personal opinon on something like a game. Having 12 million subs didn't mean everyone liked wow.

I never said if a lot of poeple like a game, it makes that game good. I said if a lot of people like a game or that game makes a lot of money, supporters of that game interprate it as "good news".

You are literally trying to make an argument out of nothing; please leave me out of it.

  MrMelGibson

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Joined: 12/13/13
Posts: 508

7/22/14 2:13:56 PM#60
Originally posted by epoq

I've been back on Ebon Hawk for 2 months now, SWTOR is still a blast.  Really enjoy flashpoints, operations, and the bounty contract week.

 

I just REALLY want a full blown expansion.  Galactic Strongholds means absolutely NOTHING to me.  I want new planets and a new playable race or two FFS.

Personally, I would rather have some new classes instead of races.  At the very least new advanced classes for existing classes.  I don't really care if we get another purple human, or orange human or magenta humans.

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