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  Gdemami

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7/18/14 1:35:36 PM#61


Originally posted by ryvendark
Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?


Defective math.

The number 775k does not imply sales but subsribers, therefore value AFTER already applied retention rate.

  keithian

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7/18/14 1:38:37 PM#62
Decided to remove my comments and just report the poster instead.

There Is Always Hope!

  ryvendark

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7/18/14 1:39:35 PM#63
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ryvendark
Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

 

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?


 

Defective math.

The number 775k does not imply sales but subsribers, therefore value AFTER already applied retention rate.

You're about 5 pages late.

  Mothanos

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7/18/14 1:43:48 PM#64

By Robert Purchese Published Friday, 18 July 2014

A report published by SuperData Research (via GamesIndustry International) claims The Elder Scrolls Online had 772,374 subscribers in June.

It's not explicitly clear where the figure comes from but SuperData's MMO earnings data is compiled from "the monthly spending of 36.9 million digital gamers, worldwide, collected from developers, publisher and payment service providers". Presumably the ESO figure comes from the same place.


Game-publisher Bethesda hasn't released sales or subscription data for The Elder Scrolls Online, and as its parent company ZeniMax Media is privately held.

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  TankYou88

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7/18/14 1:51:17 PM#65
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ryvendark
Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

 

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?


 

Defective math.

The number 775k does not imply sales but subsribers, therefore value AFTER already applied retention rate.

You're about 5 pages late.

 

Oh he's not late, he's just another poster trying to figure out where you a TY are pulling your numbers from. So far both of you have not provided a single bit of evidence to back up your made up numbers.  

 

So you and TY bad math has been going on for about 8 pages now.  

Do you have any figures yet?

  Gdemami

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7/18/14 1:56:10 PM#66


Originally posted by ryvendark

You're about 5 pages late.

I am not late, I am +1 person impeaching your math and reasoning.

  Teala

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7/18/14 1:56:29 PM#67
Originally posted by Kyleran

So again, someone's best "guess" at  the numbers.

It's not explicitly clear where the figure comes from but SuperData's MMO earnings data is compiled from "the monthly spending of 36.9 million digital gamers, worldwide, collected from developers, publisher and payment service providers". Presumably the ESO figure comes from the same place.

Game-publisher Bethesda hasn't released sales or subscription data for The Elder Scrolls Online, and as its parent company ZeniMax Media is privately held, doesn't really have to.

While they are under no obligation to report sales or sub figures, if it was something they  were very proud of they would announce it.("a million plus subscribers can't be wrong!!!, or "the MMO played by over a million people!")

My best guess....the  current numbers are somewhat below this value, and they are waiting until the steam/console launches before announcing any finanicals.

Agreed.   The numbers given are, at best, a very generous guesstimation.  

  Torvaldr

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7/18/14 2:02:41 PM#68
Originally posted by Teala
Originally posted by Kyleran

So again, someone's best "guess" at  the numbers.

It's not explicitly clear where the figure comes from but SuperData's MMO earnings data is compiled from "the monthly spending of 36.9 million digital gamers, worldwide, collected from developers, publisher and payment service providers". Presumably the ESO figure comes from the same place.

Game-publisher Bethesda hasn't released sales or subscription data for The Elder Scrolls Online, and as its parent company ZeniMax Media is privately held, doesn't really have to.

While they are under no obligation to report sales or sub figures, if it was something they  were very proud of they would announce it.("a million plus subscribers can't be wrong!!!, or "the MMO played by over a million people!")

My best guess....the  current numbers are somewhat below this value, and they are waiting until the steam/console launches before announcing any finanicals.

Agreed.   The numbers given are, at best, a very generous guesstimation.  

On top of that it is NOT 775K. It's 772,374, according to the article. The clickbait article title pads that to 775K which everyone went with.

There really are only 2 facts on that page provided from public companies that show their numbers. WoW is still the number one subscription revenue generator and Lineage is the number two sub-based revenue maker, to which I say:

GO LINEAGE! ~ Do you see DAoC, EQ, UO, or any of those other has been MMOs on the list? Nope!

Curse you AquaScum!

  ryvendark

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7/18/14 2:03:37 PM#69
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ryvendark

You're about 5 pages late.

 

I am not late, I am +1 person impeaching your math and reasoning.

 

If you actually read the whole thread you'd have seen where someone already pointed it out and I acknowledged the mistake. So congrats you can add another notch on the old forum warrior belt.

  Torvaldr

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7/18/14 2:05:24 PM#70
Originally posted by Gdemami
Originally posted by TankYou88

Do you have any figures yet?

The figures are posted in OP and if one had to choose between the 3rd party, market intelligence company making a living off their data and you, forum "troll", pulling out numbers out of your nose...

I wouldn't trust either if they couldn't show proof of their numbers, which neither can.

Curse you AquaScum!

  ryvendark

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7/18/14 2:05:39 PM#71
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ryvendark
Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

 

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?


 

Defective math.

The number 775k does not imply sales but subsribers, therefore value AFTER already applied retention rate.

You're about 5 pages late.

 

Oh he's not late, he's just another poster trying to figure out where you a TY are pulling your numbers from. So far both of you have not provided a single bit of evidence to back up your made up numbers.  

 

So you and TY bad math has been going on for about 8 pages now.  

I explained how I came to those numbers in my second reply. You've done nothing but troll ever since...which is why I haven't bothered to respond to you. So if this is really all you're going to do I'll go back to ignoring you.

  TankYou88

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7/18/14 2:09:04 PM#72
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ryvendark
Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

 

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?


 

Defective math.

The number 775k does not imply sales but subsribers, therefore value AFTER already applied retention rate.

You're about 5 pages late.

 

Oh he's not late, he's just another poster trying to figure out where you a TY are pulling your numbers from. So far both of you have not provided a single bit of evidence to back up your made up numbers.  

 

So you and TY bad math has been going on for about 8 pages now.  

Do you have any figures yet?

 

First are you two the same person and get confused as to who I replied to? The other always answers my response it's kind of weird. But I am not the one pulling numbers out of my a$$ in a desperate attempt to bash a video game that you two (or one). I have not posted any numbers therefore don't have to put any figures . I understand you have been caught red handed making up numbers and your only defense is to bury your head in the sand and demand other post figured to discredit your made up, pulled from your a$$ numbers.  Sorry nobody besides RY is buying your desperate attempt.  

Thats funny because only like 2-3 people believe the 700k number is real on this thread...I guess some people dont have blind faith like you.

  Gdemami

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Posts: 7476

7/18/14 2:11:31 PM#73


Originally posted by Torvaldr

I wouldn't trust either if they couldn't show proof of their numbers, which neither can.

Which is fine and completely legitimate.

The point is: Do you have any better source?

  Nadia

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7/18/14 2:11:31 PM#74
Originally posted by Herzy

Not even WoW -arguably the most successful MMO ever - has that high a retention rate. I don't think that number adds up for ESO (or any MMO for that matter).

Only 30 Percent of WoW Players Get Past Level 10 - Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime

What I estimate for any MMO that's not WoW is < 30%. Twenty percent retention rate seems more plausible for any run-of-the-mill MMO.

the WOW quote is exclusive to Trial accounts not subs

 

full quote

"Currently, only about 30 percent of our trial players make it past this threshold

  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 2:14:02 PM#75
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ryvendark
Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

 

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?


 

Defective math.

The number 775k does not imply sales but subsribers, therefore value AFTER already applied retention rate.

You're about 5 pages late.

 

Oh he's not late, he's just another poster trying to figure out where you a TY are pulling your numbers from. So far both of you have not provided a single bit of evidence to back up your made up numbers.  

 

So you and TY bad math has been going on for about 8 pages now.  

Do you have any figures yet?

 

First are you two the same person and get confused as to who I replied to? The other always answers my response it's kind of weird. But I am not the one pulling numbers out of my a$$ in a desperate attempt to bash a video game that you two (or one). I have not posted any numbers therefore don't have to put any figures . I understand you have been caught red handed making up numbers and your only defense is to bury your head in the sand and demand other post figured to discredit your made up, pulled from your a$$ numbers.  Sorry nobody besides RY is buying your desperate attempt.  

Thats funny because only like 2-3 people believe the 700k number is real on this thread...I guess some people dont have blind faith like you.

I don't know if they actually have 775k subscribers or not, what you are pointing out is irrelevant to the fact that they have something when you have nothing. 

 

The sub numbers aren't the problem, it's your misinformation and attitude.

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  Loktofeit

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7/18/14 2:14:20 PM#76
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  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 2:20:06 PM#77
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by ryvendark
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ryvendark
Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

 

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?


 

Defective math.

The number 775k does not imply sales but subsribers, therefore value AFTER already applied retention rate.

You're about 5 pages late.

 

Oh he's not late, he's just another poster trying to figure out where you a TY are pulling your numbers from. So far both of you have not provided a single bit of evidence to back up your made up numbers.  

 

So you and TY bad math has been going on for about 8 pages now.  

Do you have any figures yet?

 

First are you two the same person and get confused as to who I replied to? The other always answers my response it's kind of weird. But I am not the one pulling numbers out of my a$$ in a desperate attempt to bash a video game that you two (or one). I have not posted any numbers therefore don't have to put any figures . I understand you have been caught red handed making up numbers and your only defense is to bury your head in the sand and demand other post figured to discredit your made up, pulled from your a$$ numbers.  Sorry nobody besides RY is buying your desperate attempt.  

Thats funny because only like 2-3 people believe the 700k number is real on this thread...I guess some people dont have blind faith like you.

I don't know if they actually have 775k subscribers or not, what you are pointing out is irrelevant to the fact that they have something when you have nothing. 

 

The sub numbers aren't the problem, it's your misinformation and attitude.

Attitude? So im suppose to smile when you guys dont like my figures, calling me a lair, calling names, etc? Please go read the thread again. You will see everything I have said has been nice. All I get in return is hatred. You say I have nothing but I give more information how I got my numbers than the Link does.

You have no figures, all you have told are opinions, which when asserted as facts, become lies, so you did that to yourself. I don't know about the name calling bit. Being snarky and sarcastic and spreading opinions as truth is not "nice", at least not where I come from.

 

I don't think spewing hatred at anyone is acceptable, but refuting a "fact" that is actually an opinion isn't hatred, it's correcting someone's mistake.

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7/18/14 2:20:27 PM#78
Originally posted by TankYou88
 

Thats funny because only like 2-3 people believe the 700k number is real on this thread...I guess some people dont have blind faith like you.

Hah... After all that you have the audacity to suggest someone else has "blind faith"? I haven't seen a single person acknowledge any number as fact besides you with your "my numbers aren't made up post"...

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7/18/14 2:21:15 PM#79
Originally posted by ryvendark

Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?

There's absolutely no correlation between WoW being a highly successful MMO over the years and their retention rate.

There's absolutely no basis for a statement like, "even though no mmo will have rates as good" (as WoW).

 

People are grasping at straws because for some malicious reason they don't want to believe that ESO could be that successful.  Whether I support a game or not, I'm so sick of this type of behavior.

 

Those studies aren't made by fans in their basement.  It may not hold the exact values of course, but more often than not they are within the ballpark.

 

Live and let live people.  No matter how much you love to hate on certain games, there are a great many people that enjoy them.

 

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7/18/14 2:24:10 PM#80


Originally posted by Acidon.Numen

There's absolutely no correlation between WoW being a highly successful MMO over the years and their retention rate.
 

Fundamental error about that quote is that it isn't retention rate.

As poster above pointed out by providing full quote:


Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Herzy Not even WoW -arguably the most successful MMO ever - has that high a retention rate. I don't think that number adds up for ESO (or any MMO for that matter). Only 30 Percent of WoW Players Get Past Level 10 - Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime What I estimate for any MMO that's not WoW is < 30%. Twenty percent retention rate seems more plausible for any run-of-the-mill MMO.
the WOW quote is exclusive to Trial accounts not subs

 

full quote

"Currently, only about 30 percent of our trial players make it past this threshold



Making it past level 10 =/= subscriber.

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