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  bcbully

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OP  7/18/14 10:02:51 AM#1

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-18-elder-scrolls-online-has-775-000-subscribers-report

"A report published by SuperData Research (via GamesIndustry International) claims The Elder Scrolls Online had 772,374 subscribers in June."

 

 

 

This seems about right, 420k box sales + 3-4 times more digital downloads =  1.2-1.6 mill or so sold, with about a 50% retention rate. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 10:04:14 AM#2
Originally posted by bcbully

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-18-elder-scrolls-online-has-775-000-subscribers-report

"A report published by SuperData Research (via GamesIndustry International) claims The Elder Scrolls Online had 772,374 subscribers in June."

 

This seems about right, 420k box sales + 3-4 times more digital downloads =  1.2-1.6 mill or so sold, with about a 50% retention rate. 

That's a little higher than I had predicted at 500-700k on retention. If this data is true, this is nothing but good news for ZoS and makes the game a smashing success.

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  Kyleran

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7/18/14 10:11:39 AM#3

So again, someone's best "guess" at  the numbers.

It's not explicitly clear where the figure comes from but SuperData's MMO earnings data is compiled from "the monthly spending of 36.9 million digital gamers, worldwide, collected from developers, publisher and payment service providers". Presumably the ESO figure comes from the same place.

Game-publisher Bethesda hasn't released sales or subscription data for The Elder Scrolls Online, and as its parent company ZeniMax Media is privately held, doesn't really have to.

While they are under no obligation to report sales or sub figures, if it was something they  were very proud of they would announce it.("a million plus subscribers can't be wrong!!!, or "the MMO played by over a million people!")

My best guess....the  current numbers are somewhat below this value, and they are waiting until the steam/console launches before announcing any finanicals.

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  LagKingBong

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7/18/14 10:13:35 AM#4
Originally posted by Kyleran

My best guess....the  current numbers are somewhat below this value, and they are waiting until the steam/console launches before announcing any finanicals.

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  TankYou88

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7/18/14 10:14:56 AM#5
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.
  Herzy

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7/18/14 10:19:13 AM#6
Originally posted by bcbully

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-18-elder-scrolls-online-has-775-000-subscribers-report

"A report published by SuperData Research (via GamesIndustry International) claims The Elder Scrolls Online had 772,374 subscribers in June."

 

 

 

This seems about right, 420k box sales + 3-4 times more digital downloads =  1.2-1.6 mill or so sold, with about a 50% retention rate. 

Not even WoW -arguably the most successful MMO ever - has that high a retention rate. I don't think that number adds up for ESO (or any MMO for that matter).

Only 30 Percent of WoW Players Get Past Level 10 - Blizzard CEO Mike Morhaime

What I estimate for any MMO that's not WoW is < 30%. Twenty percent retention rate seems more plausible for any run-of-the-mill MMO.

 

  kitarad

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7/18/14 10:22:45 AM#7
SuperData research was the same source used to support how much money SWTOR was making and a lot of posters on this very site discredited it as unreliable. Now it is being used to support ESO sub numbers. Interesting development.

  TankYou88

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7/18/14 10:24:17 AM#8
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

  cerulean2012

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7/18/14 10:28:52 AM#9
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Look mister fan, I don't have your links but I am one that left along with 3 of my friends and my girlfriend so there is 5 people for you.

As for as those numbers go, that is higher then I would think and I do believe the comment that they are waiting for the console launch before releasing any numbers. 

It would be a big marketing thing if they had hit 1 million but nothing has been said so it tends to make it look like that has not happened. 

  Tamanous

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7/18/14 10:30:52 AM#10
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

Why are you sorry? You pulled numbers out of your ass with a complete guess.

You stay sassy!

  TankYou88

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7/18/14 10:36:22 AM#11
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

Why are you sorry? You pulled numbers out of your ass with a complete guess.

Not really made up. The game didnt sell well, the game had tons of bugs where the majority left. Tons of refunds were given. Given the average retention rate the 200k figure seems about right on the money.

  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 10:39:39 AM#12
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

Why are you sorry? You pulled numbers out of your ass with a complete guess.

Not really made up. The game didnt sell well, the game had tons of bugs where the majority left. Tons of refunds were given. Given the average retention rate the 200k figure seems about right on the money.

Numbers? Source? Anything? More butt numbers?  What's your metric for saying the game didn't sell well? As far as I knew, no one but ZoS knows actual retail sales at the moment. If you don't like the game that's fine, but making up numbers and spreading misinformation reflects poorly on you, not on ESO.

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  Distopia

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7/18/14 10:42:26 AM#13
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

Why are you sorry? You pulled numbers out of your ass with a complete guess.

Not really made up. The game didnt sell well, the game had tons of bugs where the majority left. Tons of refunds were given. Given the average retention rate the 200k figure seems about right on the money.

Where do you get this information from, forum posts? What do you mean it's not made up? There's no reliable information any where to back up any of this, but it's not made up.....

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  ryvendark

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7/18/14 10:48:43 AM#14

Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?

  TankYou88

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7/18/14 10:50:44 AM#15
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

Why are you sorry? You pulled numbers out of your ass with a complete guess.

Not really made up. The game didnt sell well, the game had tons of bugs where the majority left. Tons of refunds were given. Given the average retention rate the 200k figure seems about right on the money.

Hmm well you didn't provide any last time, pretty sure you won't this time but let's try this again shall we?  

A link of how many refunds were given?

A link that shows "the majority" left?

A link the game didn't sell well?  

Now until you can provide some facts, links, evidence for your made up number that's not worth the paper you would write it on and obvious that it is just A number you just pulled out of nowhere in a poor attempt to bash a video game. 

How is 200k subs bad? Eve only has 500k which was a little older of a number and has been dipping. If you have proof to discredit anything I said you are welcomed to post whatever you want. 

  TankYou88

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7/18/14 10:52:18 AM#16
Originally posted by ryvendark

Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?

Thank you. I dont see why everyone is mad by using the numbers we have available.

  Aeonblades

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7/18/14 10:53:14 AM#17
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

Why are you sorry? You pulled numbers out of your ass with a complete guess.

Not really made up. The game didnt sell well, the game had tons of bugs where the majority left. Tons of refunds were given. Given the average retention rate the 200k figure seems about right on the money.

Hmm well you didn't provide any last time, pretty sure you won't this time but let's try this again shall we?  

A link of how many refunds were given?

A link that shows "the majority" left?

A link the game didn't sell well?  

Now until you can provide some facts, links, evidence for your made up number that's not worth the paper you would write it on and obvious that it is just A number you just pulled out of nowhere in a poor attempt to bash a video game. 

How is 200k subs bad? Eve only has 500k which was a little older of a number and has been dipping. If you have proof to discredit anything I said you are welcomed to post whatever you want. 

The OP's original post discredit's everything you said because even if it isn't 100% reliable, it's a lot more reliable than some guy armchair quarterbacking about a game he obviously dislikes.

 

Eve hasn't had 500k subs for quite a while by the way, in fact there was a post the other day about how low Eve's pop has gotten lately on this forum.

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  Distopia

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7/18/14 10:55:16 AM#18
Originally posted by ryvendark

Wows retention rate was 30%. That's a comment from their CEO.

So lets give eso the same rate ( even though no mmo will have rates as good ). that puts them at 232k

So why is everyone flipping out on the guy who said 200k when any one of you could of done some simple math and come up with the same ball park answer ? Do you need a thrid party site to do basic math for you or something ?

How do you apply such a number when you don't know where to even start from? WHat makes that 200k "forum post" any more correct than these numbers in the article? He's saying 200k, they're saying 775k in june...

Flipping out? Asking someone to back up a claim is flipping out?

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  TankYou88

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7/18/14 10:55:55 AM#19
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by Tamanous
Originally posted by TankYou88
Originally posted by allday88
Originally posted by TankYou88
Im guessing its around 200k. After all the refunds and people just leaving the game along with low sales. 200k seems like a pretty high number.

 

All the refunds? Please post a link to an actual source of how many refunds were given? 

People just leaving?  Please provide a source of people just leaving? 

Low sales?  Please provide a link that stated low sales? 

200k seems like a desperate extremely bias pulled out of a$$ number.  

Thank you for trying I guess...

Im sorry you dont agree. 

Why are you sorry? You pulled numbers out of your ass with a complete guess.

Not really made up. The game didnt sell well, the game had tons of bugs where the majority left. Tons of refunds were given. Given the average retention rate the 200k figure seems about right on the money.

Hmm well you didn't provide any last time, pretty sure you won't this time but let's try this again shall we?  

A link of how many refunds were given?

A link that shows "the majority" left?

A link the game didn't sell well?  

Now until you can provide some facts, links, evidence for your made up number that's not worth the paper you would write it on and obvious that it is just A number you just pulled out of nowhere in a poor attempt to bash a video game. 

How is 200k subs bad? Eve only has 500k which was a little older of a number and has been dipping. If you have proof to discredit anything I said you are welcomed to post whatever you want. 

The OP's original post discredit's everything you said because even if it isn't 100% reliable, it's a lot more reliable than some guy armchair quarterbacking about a game he obviously dislikes.

 

Eve hasn't had 500k subs for quite a while by the way, in fact there was a post the other day about how low Eve's pop has gotten lately on this forum.

Theres no information in the link that says how they got the number. My number actually used some math.

 

The link also said Wildstar was a huge contender against ESO right now. So if you believe the 700k figure than you have to assume that WIldstar sold the same as ESO correct?

  Distopia

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7/18/14 10:56:39 AM#20
Originally posted by Purutzil
Oh hi BCbully, actively throwing ESO propaganda and bashing other games to try and 'boost' your game. Did they hire you to try and push their game, cause you seem to go beyond fanboy on many levels I can't see any fanboy ever going this far to try and throw false propaganda to support the game. It just seems unlikely to me.

Aren't you a WS fan?

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