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General Discussion  » Darkfall: Unholy Wars is a lot more like Skyrim than ESO ever tried to be. (I had to see it to believe it)

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  SEANMCAD

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7/03/14 12:24:05 PM#41
Originally posted by eHug

Darkfall is not really a PVP arena type of game anymore. These days the games focus is on active PVE grinding - or at least ganking players that are PVE grinding. All the semi afk activities that people could use to have a pvp centric game have been nerfed to crap. Gear has been made more important, too.

That being said I still think that a full loot title with a heavy pve grind for basic gear is like the dumbest idea ever.

nearly nothing you said makes any sense.

Darkfall 1 was not at all a PVP arena type game..not even in that ballpark.

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  sumdumguy1

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7/03/14 12:24:52 PM#42
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by sumdumguy1
Sorry this game is not like Skyrim or eve for that matter, its really its own little mess.  No reason to restate what others have already said.

Sorry, but people need to decide that for themselves.  OP gave a pretty good write up explaining why.  Then you come in here and say nope.  That opinion just doesn't hold weight here. 

Sorry but you are dead wrong.  I will use the posts in this thread who agree with my take for starters.  Secondly every opinion is just that.  Just because you don't like mine, the problem could be yours since other opinions in this thread and other threads about this game which share the same view as I do.

  Distopia

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7/03/14 12:26:20 PM#43

IMO a person could make the same list about what features ESO shares with TES, and it would be just as true. Wear any armor? You can do that in ESO as well can't you? Open world? Vanilla wow had an open world, does that make it TES like? I tried the original DF due to so many Morrowind comparisons, I found little in the way of commonalities.

TES at it's core is a deep quest driven game, the open world has little in the way of features outside of killing and collecting, housing, has little in the way of customization. It shares more with a common themepark than it does something like SWG or UO. Which wasn't UO, DF's chief influence?

The way I look at it is if a few features that ESO shares with TES doesn't make it a TES game, nor does the few features any other MMO may share with them. Deciding which is more TES like based on your own favorite features is as arbitrary as one can get, DF is as much a TES game as MO is, neither share much in common with that series of games.

At it's heart DF is a PVP game, at it's heart ESO is as well.

 

 

 

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  SEANMCAD

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7/03/14 12:29:59 PM#44
Originally posted by Distopia

IMO a person could make the same list about what features ESO shares with TES, and it would be just as true. Wear any armor? You can do that in ESO as well can't you?

 

 

 

I am not familiar with the details of ESO mechanics. Some I am but diving a few layers deep I am not.

Am I to understand your ONE character who can fight with a sword and put on armour can also wear a mages robe?

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  Distopia

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7/03/14 12:36:33 PM#45
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Distopia

IMO a person could make the same list about what features ESO shares with TES, and it would be just as true. Wear any armor? You can do that in ESO as well can't you?

 

 

 

I am not familiar with the details of ESO mechanics. Some I am but diving a few layers deep I am not.

Am I to understand your ONE character who can fight with a sword and put on armour can also wear a mages robe?

You can fight with any weapon or armor in ESO you can pick up pretty much any skill you want as well. There are small things like that all through ESO, that attempt to make it a TES experience, and it still doesn't really make it so. TES is a unique series, very few games (even those trying to be just like it, Two Worlds, etc..) offer enough features to really compare. I think a lot of that has to do with this kind of reasoning TBH, a few features doesn't make up the cohesive whole that is TES.

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  Uhwop

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7/03/14 12:37:42 PM#46

I agree with the overall point the OP makes. 

However, it doesn't make DF a good game.  It's got the worst melee combat in any game I've ever experienced.  Oblivion had better melee and that's saying a lot.  

If they had implemented something more like DCUO's weapon combos, blocking, and dodging I'd probably still be playing the game and would be willing to overlook many of the other faults I have with it.  

Like the economy, the huge grind, the massive disparity between newer players and older players, the preplaces housing and castles, and magic banks that allow you to access items anywhere in the world and results in a shallow economy.  These are just a few things, that along with the god awful melee, makes DF no better than ESO and not really a worthy substitute for a real ES MMO.  

BTW, mortal online is far more like an ES game than DF, and if they had had ESO's budget and a team of devs who knew what they were doing it would have been a great game.  

PS: comparing DF to EVE is an insult to CCP and EVE online.  Just because they both have FFA PvP doesn't make them similar.  DF is full loot that doesn't really have that much of a benefit to the economy.  EVE has destruction which is integral to the economy of the game. 

  SEANMCAD

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7/03/14 12:39:35 PM#47
Originally posted by Uhwop

I agree with the overall point the OP makes. 

However, it doesn't make DF a good game.  It's got the worst melee combat in any game I've ever experienced.  Oblivion had better melee and that's saying a lot.  

If they had implemented something more like DCUO's weapon combos, blocking, and dodging I'd probably still be playing the game and would be willing to overlook many of the other faults I have with it.  

Like the economy, the huge grind, the massive disparity between newer players and older players, the prep laces housing and castles, and magic banks that allow you to access items anywhere in the world and results in a shallow economy.  These are just a few things, that along with the god awful melee, makes DF no better than ESO and not really a worthy substitute for a real ES MMO.  

BTW, mortal online is far more like an ES game than DF, and if they had had ESO's budget and a team of devs who knew what they were doing it would have been a great game.  

i think the conversation is not about if Darkfall is a good game or not. The conversation is on how its more like ES then ESO is.

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  Uhwop

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7/03/14 12:44:43 PM#48
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop

I agree with the overall point the OP makes. 

However, it doesn't make DF a good game.  It's got the worst melee combat in any game I've ever experienced.  Oblivion had better melee and that's saying a lot.  

If they had implemented something more like DCUO's weapon combos, blocking, and dodging I'd probably still be playing the game and would be willing to overlook many of the other faults I have with it.  

Like the economy, the huge grind, the massive disparity between newer players and older players, the prep laces housing and castles, and magic banks that allow you to access items anywhere in the world and results in a shallow economy.  These are just a few things, that along with the god awful melee, makes DF no better than ESO and not really a worthy substitute for a real ES MMO.  

BTW, mortal online is far more like an ES game than DF, and if they had had ESO's budget and a team of devs who knew what they were doing it would have been a great game.  

i think the conversation is not about if Darkfall is a good game or not. The conversation is on how its more like ES then ESO is.

You would be correct if the OP wasn't also pitching the game as a substitute for ESO, for those people looking for an ES MMO and found ESO lacking. 

You can read the whole thing like I did, or just skip to the very end.  

  SEANMCAD

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7/03/14 12:50:02 PM#49
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop

I agree with the overall point the OP makes. 

However, it doesn't make DF a good game.  It's got the worst melee combat in any game I've ever experienced.  Oblivion had better melee and that's saying a lot.  

If they had implemented something more like DCUO's weapon combos, blocking, and dodging I'd probably still be playing the game and would be willing to overlook many of the other faults I have with it.  

Like the economy, the huge grind, the massive disparity between newer players and older players, the prep laces housing and castles, and magic banks that allow you to access items anywhere in the world and results in a shallow economy.  These are just a few things, that along with the god awful melee, makes DF no better than ESO and not really a worthy substitute for a real ES MMO.  

BTW, mortal online is far more like an ES game than DF, and if they had had ESO's budget and a team of devs who knew what they were doing it would have been a great game.  

i think the conversation is not about if Darkfall is a good game or not. The conversation is on how its more like ES then ESO is.

You would be correct if the OP wasn't also pitching the game as a substitute for ESO, for those people looking for an ES MMO and found ESO lacking. 

You can read the whole thing like I did, or just skip to the very end.  

well true.

I think given the sensitivity of the subject he should have made two seperate threads so the point doesnt get confused.

Correlation does not imply causation

  Badaboom

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7/03/14 12:54:44 PM#50
Originally posted by Uhwop

  

PS: comparing DF to EVE is an insult to CCP and EVE online.  Just because they both have FFA PvP doesn't make them similar.  DF is full loot that doesn't really have that much of a benefit to the economy.  EVE has destruction which is integral to the economy of the game. 

So does Darkfall.  Did you know that there is a durability loss upon gank?  Low dura gear will break and disappear.  The economy balance thread did a lot to the game.  It got people out actively farming and more rewarding than semi=afk harvesting.  Still a ways to go though and AV will openly admit that. 

  Uhwop

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7/03/14 1:02:01 PM#51
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop

I agree with the overall point the OP makes. 

However, it doesn't make DF a good game.  It's got the worst melee combat in any game I've ever experienced.  Oblivion had better melee and that's saying a lot.  

If they had implemented something more like DCUO's weapon combos, blocking, and dodging I'd probably still be playing the game and would be willing to overlook many of the other faults I have with it.  

Like the economy, the huge grind, the massive disparity between newer players and older players, the prep laces housing and castles, and magic banks that allow you to access items anywhere in the world and results in a shallow economy.  These are just a few things, that along with the god awful melee, makes DF no better than ESO and not really a worthy substitute for a real ES MMO.  

BTW, mortal online is far more like an ES game than DF, and if they had had ESO's budget and a team of devs who knew what they were doing it would have been a great game.  

i think the conversation is not about if Darkfall is a good game or not. The conversation is on how its more like ES then ESO is.

You would be correct if the OP wasn't also pitching the game as a substitute for ESO, for those people looking for an ES MMO and found ESO lacking. 

You can read the whole thing like I did, or just skip to the very end.  

well true.

I think given the sensitivity of the subject he should have made two seperate threads so the point doesnt get confused.

Pretty sure the point of the OP is that DF is more like ES than ESO and so you should try it if you're looking for something more like ES.  

Quality shouldn't be disregarded just because its more similar.  

Rat is more like beef than tofu is, but I wouldn't eat either if what I want is a steak. 

In the same vein, if I wanted a game that was more like an ES game, I wouldn't play either DF or ESO, I'd just go play an ES game. Neither are worthy substitutes.

However, if I was going to recommend an MMO that was most similar to ES it wouldn't be darkfall, it would be mortal online.  You also don't have to spend a penny to find out that MO lacks quality.  

 

  Sovrath

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7/03/14 1:05:43 PM#52

I kind of think there is more to Elder Scrolls games, at least from Morrowind on (possibly Daggerfall, still playing and having technical difficulties) than just skill based and open world.

there needs to be an interesting and compelling world where the players can explore.

If you were to take pvp out of Darkfall would the remaining content be compelling/interesting?

  SEANMCAD

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7/03/14 1:06:16 PM#53
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop

I agree with the overall point the OP makes. 

However, it doesn't make DF a good game.  It's got the worst melee combat in any game I've ever experienced.  Oblivion had better melee and that's saying a lot.  

If they had implemented something more like DCUO's weapon combos, blocking, and dodging I'd probably still be playing the game and would be willing to overlook many of the other faults I have with it.  

Like the economy, the huge grind, the massive disparity between newer players and older players, the prep laces housing and castles, and magic banks that allow you to access items anywhere in the world and results in a shallow economy.  These are just a few things, that along with the god awful melee, makes DF no better than ESO and not really a worthy substitute for a real ES MMO.  

BTW, mortal online is far more like an ES game than DF, and if they had had ESO's budget and a team of devs who knew what they were doing it would have been a great game.  

i think the conversation is not about if Darkfall is a good game or not. The conversation is on how its more like ES then ESO is.

You would be correct if the OP wasn't also pitching the game as a substitute for ESO, for those people looking for an ES MMO and found ESO lacking. 

You can read the whole thing like I did, or just skip to the very end.  

well true.

I think given the sensitivity of the subject he should have made two seperate threads so the point doesnt get confused.

Pretty sure the point of the OP is that DF is more like ES than ESO and so you should try it if you're looking for something more like ES.  

Quality shouldn't be disregarded just because its more similar.  

Rat is more like beef than tofu is, but I wouldn't eat either if what I want is a steak. 

In the same vein, if I wanted a game that was more like an ES game, I wouldn't play either DF or ESO, I'd just go play an ES game. Neither are worthy substitutes.

However, if I was going to recommend an MMO that was most similar to ES it wouldn't be darkfall, it would be mortal online.  You also don't have to spend a penny to find out that MO lacks quality.  

 

To be clear I played DF1 for 4 years.

For me DF1 was a great game. ESO doesnt have a feature list I give two f8cks about.

Is DF1 exactly like ES? no, is it the closest thing out there in the MMO space? yes

Is DF1 fun? to me it was a blast.

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  Uhwop

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7/03/14 1:11:30 PM#54
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Uhwop

  

PS: comparing DF to EVE is an insult to CCP and EVE online.  Just because they both have FFA PvP doesn't make them similar.  DF is full loot that doesn't really have that much of a benefit to the economy.  EVE has destruction which is integral to the economy of the game. 

So does Darkfall.  Did you know that there is a durability loss upon gank?  Low dura gear will break and disappear.  The economy balance thread did a lot to the game.  It got people out actively farming and more rewarding than semi=afk harvesting.  Still a ways to go though and AV will openly admit that. 

Its still not really comparable though.  The items still persist after death, and it takes a good bit for them to break. 

Losing things in DF should be a non issue, you should have a bank full of gear to replace what you might lose.  

If I lose my freighter in EVE, I'm looking at a significant loss, that freighter cost me 1.5 billion and isn't easily replaced.  

 

  Uhwop

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7/03/14 1:12:44 PM#55
Originally posted by Sovrath

I kind of think there is more to Elder Scrolls games, at least from Morrowind on (possibly Daggerfall, still playing and having technical difficulties) than just skill based and open world.

there needs to be an interesting and compelling world where the players can explore.

If you were to take pvp out of Darkfall would the remaining content be compelling/interesting?

Not a bit.  

 

  Uhwop

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7/03/14 1:13:29 PM#56
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Uhwop

I agree with the overall point the OP makes. 

However, it doesn't make DF a good game.  It's got the worst melee combat in any game I've ever experienced.  Oblivion had better melee and that's saying a lot.  

If they had implemented something more like DCUO's weapon combos, blocking, and dodging I'd probably still be playing the game and would be willing to overlook many of the other faults I have with it.  

Like the economy, the huge grind, the massive disparity between newer players and older players, the prep laces housing and castles, and magic banks that allow you to access items anywhere in the world and results in a shallow economy.  These are just a few things, that along with the god awful melee, makes DF no better than ESO and not really a worthy substitute for a real ES MMO.  

BTW, mortal online is far more like an ES game than DF, and if they had had ESO's budget and a team of devs who knew what they were doing it would have been a great game.  

i think the conversation is not about if Darkfall is a good game or not. The conversation is on how its more like ES then ESO is.

You would be correct if the OP wasn't also pitching the game as a substitute for ESO, for those people looking for an ES MMO and found ESO lacking. 

You can read the whole thing like I did, or just skip to the very end.  

well true.

I think given the sensitivity of the subject he should have made two seperate threads so the point doesnt get confused.

Pretty sure the point of the OP is that DF is more like ES than ESO and so you should try it if you're looking for something more like ES.  

Quality shouldn't be disregarded just because its more similar.  

Rat is more like beef than tofu is, but I wouldn't eat either if what I want is a steak. 

In the same vein, if I wanted a game that was more like an ES game, I wouldn't play either DF or ESO, I'd just go play an ES game. Neither are worthy substitutes.

However, if I was going to recommend an MMO that was most similar to ES it wouldn't be darkfall, it would be mortal online.  You also don't have to spend a penny to find out that MO lacks quality.  

 

To be clear I played DF1 for 4 years.

For me DF1 was a great game. ESO doesnt have a feature list I give two f8cks about.

Is DF1 exactly like ES? no, is it the closest thing out there in the MMO space? yes

Is DF1 fun? to me it was a blast.

I know Sean.  We played at the same time. 

PS: and I disagree.  As far as an MMO that is most like an ES game goes, that would be Mortal Online.  

  Badaboom

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7/03/14 2:12:05 PM#57
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Uhwop

  

PS: comparing DF to EVE is an insult to CCP and EVE online.  Just because they both have FFA PvP doesn't make them similar.  DF is full loot that doesn't really have that much of a benefit to the economy.  EVE has destruction which is integral to the economy of the game. 

So does Darkfall.  Did you know that there is a durability loss upon gank?  Low dura gear will break and disappear.  The economy balance thread did a lot to the game.  It got people out actively farming and more rewarding than semi=afk harvesting.  Still a ways to go though and AV will openly admit that. 

Its still not really comparable though.  The items still persist after death, and it takes a good bit for them to break. 

Losing things in DF should be a non issue, you should have a bank full of gear to replace what you might lose.  

If I lose my freighter in EVE, I'm looking at a significant loss, that freighter cost me 1.5 billion and isn't easily replaced.  

 

No, they increased the durability loss in the recent economy patch.  During PVP use the weapon will degrade a lot faster now and upon gank you will lose 10% durability (I think, not sure I remember). 

Also like EvE, Darkfall has more expensive higher end weapons and armour, so if you are going to compare the two, use the right comparison. 

  SEANMCAD

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7/03/14 2:15:56 PM#58
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Uhwop

  

PS: comparing DF to EVE is an insult to CCP and EVE online.  Just because they both have FFA PvP doesn't make them similar.  DF is full loot that doesn't really have that much of a benefit to the economy.  EVE has destruction which is integral to the economy of the game. 

So does Darkfall.  Did you know that there is a durability loss upon gank?  Low dura gear will break and disappear.  The economy balance thread did a lot to the game.  It got people out actively farming and more rewarding than semi=afk harvesting.  Still a ways to go though and AV will openly admit that. 

Its still not really comparable though.  The items still persist after death, and it takes a good bit for them to break. 

Losing things in DF should be a non issue, you should have a bank full of gear to replace what you might lose.  

If I lose my freighter in EVE, I'm looking at a significant loss, that freighter cost me 1.5 billion and isn't easily replaced.  

 

No, they increased the durability loss in the recent economy patch.  During PVP use the weapon will degrade a lot faster now and upon gank you will lose 10% durability (I think, not sure I remember). 

Also like EvE, Darkfall has more expensive higher end weapons and armour, so if you are going to compare the two, use the right comparison. 

I want to jump in here and tell you guys (as a developer) that some of the differences you guys are talking about is something that can be changed in an XML file in about 30 seconds.

I know  you are talking about the differences between Eve and Darkfall in a forum that really is about something else but I did want to add a point of perspective.

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  Holophonist

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7/03/14 4:50:32 PM#59
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by Holophonist

So what's closer?

 

Imo, nothing can be considered as close.

There is no point in making a robust sandbox thus there aren't really any developers following similar design.

He said it's the closEST thing. You said it's not. So what's closer? What's closer to being a fantasy eve?

  Phain

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7/03/14 11:32:24 PM#60
Good freaking call. I realized this when they released the role patch. So happy to see DF making a huge come back!

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