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  Graveblade

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"In the wheel of chance and fate, spinning as we watch and wait"

 
OP  6/12/14 2:41:00 PM#1

Anyone else played the newer mmo's like GW2, TERA, ESO and Wildstar?

 

I have played them but am actually seriously considering coming back to wow. I just wondered what some of your opinions are about these games, but in direct comparison to your experience with wow.

 

Recently...

I played ESO and left after about 3 weeks. I just couldn't bring myself to log in because I didn't enjoy the questing very much and having the pvp all in one area, while good in some respects feels lacking somehow to me. I can see why some would really enjoy the game though.

 

I am currently playing Wildstar and it certainly has some good aspects to it. I was very surprised by the amount of content at release and how much there is to do generally while leveling. The combat is quite fun although after playing through it, it is starting to feel a bit more like a gimmick rather than a combat system which is truly intuitive. It also currently feels a bit spammy in pvp, it feels like you have less of a true impact to me. A good game and quite surprising though as I was unsure about giving a go.

 

That said about the former games mentioned, wow is still a beast to be reckoned with. There is something that still draws me back, I am just unsure about taking the leap and if I should resub or not. The simplicity and the direct approach with regards to progression is quite appealing still. The Warcraft franchise is certainly one with a lot of charm. The combat is easy to do, but hard to truly master and each class is fairly unique. Very tempting to return and with a new expansion on the horizon, the temptation is a bit greater.

  Bladestrom

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6/12/14 2:44:30 PM#2
Wow is a bit of a mess at the mo, suggest playing wildstar until wod comes out then play wod for a bit - they make the hard decision :)

Gw2 is good, but it's a different style of mmo.

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  Nephaerius

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6/12/14 2:45:19 PM#3
Originally posted by Graveblade

Anyone else played the newer mmo's like GW2, TERA, ESO and Wildstar?

 

I have played them but am actually seriously considering coming back to wow. I just wondered what some of your opinions are about these games, but in direct comparison to your experience with wow.

 

Recently...

I played ESO and left after about 3 weeks. I just couldn't bring myself to log in because I didn't enjoy the questing very much and having the pvp all in one area, while good in some respects feels lacking somehow to me. I can see why some would really enjoy the game though.

 

I am currently playing Wildstar and it certainly has some good aspects to it. I was very surprised by the amount of content at release and how much there is to do generally while leveling. The combat is quite fun although after playing through it, it is starting to feel a bit more like a gimmick rather than a combat system which is truly intuitive. It also currently feels a bit spammy in pvp, it feels like you have less of a true impact to me. A good game and quite surprising though as I was unsure about giving a go.

 

That said about the former games mentioned, wow is still a beast to be reckoned with. There is something that still draws me back, I am just unsure about taking the leap and if I should resub or not. The simplicity and the direct approach with regards to progression is quite appealing still. The Warcraft franchise is certainly one with a lot of charm. The combat is easy to do, but hard to truly master and each class is fairly unique. Very tempting to return and with a new expansion on the horizon, the temptation is a bit greater.

As far as I can tell the only thing you don't like about the newer crop of games is the combat system which has moved away from a passive hit Tab + Numbers and target dies.  That type of combat is what I find boring so I am glad to see it go.  Personally I am enjoying WS a great deal and I think content wise it's one of the best MMO launches in quite some time.  Even if WS didn't peak my interest WoW certainly has nothing on offer I haven't already done or seen 1000000000000000000x at least WS might be familiar but a different skin.

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  Chrisbox

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6/12/14 2:46:59 PM#4

It's a matter of opinion.

I can't play GW2 TERA or ESO because to me they seriously lack end game progression.

I can't play Wildstar because I hate the combat and lore. 

If you're looking to make a return to WoW I'd encourage it, but just know that we aren't receiving a new raid or pvp season until WoD drops at some point unconfirmed point in this year.  Siege isn't nearly as bad as dragonsoul, but the wait sure is for progression raiders.

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  SpikeX

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6/12/14 2:48:52 PM#5

I came back to WoW a couple months ago and have been enjoying it.  I have never been a WoW fanboy and I really didn't care for it much in the past but it suits me now.  I've been playing MMOs for 17 years now.  I have very limited playtime with a baby at home.  What I like about WoW is I can hop in for an hour get some stuff done, have some fun and hop out.  It really is giving me my fix on very limited playing time.

 

Also, WoW has a plethora of content since it's been out for so long.  The only way WoW's content is lacking is if you as a player pigeon hole yourself into only playing one piece of the game.  I've mostly been doing PVP via BGs and Arena.  Although,  I got stomped at first since I had horrible gear I have found myself getting better now that my gear is around i530.  

 

WoW is the only MMO subscription I currently have open and it will most likely continue that way.  This coming from a guy that used to have 4-5 subs open at once.  The accessibility and the wealth of content really make it suit me.  I'm also looking forward to what the new xpac brings.

 

 

  Graveblade

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OP  6/12/14 3:03:20 PM#6
Originally posted by Nephaerius
As far as I can tell the only thing you don't like about the newer crop of games is the combat system which has moved away from a passive hit Tab + Numbers and target dies.  That type of combat is what I find boring so I am glad to see it go.  Personally I am enjoying WS a great deal and I think content wise it's one of the best MMO launches in quite some time.  Even if WS didn't peak my interest WoW certainly has nothing on offer I haven't already done or seen 1000000000000000000x at least WS might be familiar but a different skin.

 

Well it is not that I don't like it as such, I do welcome different types of combat systems. I think the reason I focused on that on Wildstar is because the combat system seems to be a large factor of appeal to a lot of people and how it is advertised, just like some other games have done in the past, take Age of Conan for example. Personally I don't mind the combat either way whether it is a more arcade style like Wildstar or tab targetting like on wow. I come from EQ and UO and have played tons and tons of mmo's over the years but never have I truly enjoyed an mmo's combat system over another to the point that it results in my favour towards that game. :)

  Darklighter1

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6/12/14 3:11:13 PM#7
Originally posted by Bladestrom
Wow is a bit of a mess at the mo, suggest playing wildstar until wod comes out then play wod for a bit - they make the hard decision :)

Gw2 is good, but it's a different style of mmo.

 

This is good advice.  I second it.

  heider89

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6/12/14 3:58:20 PM#8
tried panda lvled 2 chars to 90 priest and pala did a few raids got tired fast and pvp was so bad. so i left and now playing swtor and wildstar
  Nephaerius

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6/12/14 4:00:32 PM#9
Originally posted by Graveblade
Originally posted by Nephaerius
As far as I can tell the only thing you don't like about the newer crop of games is the combat system which has moved away from a passive hit Tab + Numbers and target dies.  That type of combat is what I find boring so I am glad to see it go.  Personally I am enjoying WS a great deal and I think content wise it's one of the best MMO launches in quite some time.  Even if WS didn't peak my interest WoW certainly has nothing on offer I haven't already done or seen 1000000000000000000x at least WS might be familiar but a different skin.

 

Well it is not that I don't like it as such, I do welcome different types of combat systems. I think the reason I focused on that on Wildstar is because the combat system seems to be a large factor of appeal to a lot of people and how it is advertised, just like some other games have done in the past, take Age of Conan for example. Personally I don't mind the combat either way whether it is a more arcade style like Wildstar or tab targetting like on wow. I come from EQ and UO and have played tons and tons of mmo's over the years but never have I truly enjoyed an mmo's combat system over another to the point that it results in my favour towards that game. :)

I will say character control is extremely fluid and responsive in wow compared to anywhere else for sure.

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  kikosforever

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6/12/14 4:10:06 PM#10

Nty. WoW has nothing to offer anymore. Old combat, old story, everything seems old for me and i was a huge fan of it for almost a decade. I know that once again the same thing will happen. I ll play for a month in WoD release and after that, boredom will come. Jumping in orgrimmar, doing old content for mounts/gear, chasing achievements and looking the chat for the first DIRGE of the day.

So no thanks, not going to get back to this trap again.

  Crusades

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6/12/14 4:13:28 PM#11

Wildstar smashes wow right now. The other games still can't touch it. WS gameplay is similar, combat slightly different, but level of difficulty increased, one must be on their A game to succeed.

WoW still good, but WS is WoW evolved and more difficult

First - launch as alpha and charge an arm and a leg, then launch as a sub focused game with a box price - then switch over to f2p with microtransactions - then shift the microtransactions to a pay to win model. - Make no promises, maximize profits, sell out once we fall below a 75% margin, shutdown if we fall below 50%

  Xunejo

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6/12/14 4:15:11 PM#12
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Originally posted by Graveblade
Originally posted by Nephaerius
As far as I can tell the only thing you don't like about the newer crop of games is the combat system which has moved away from a passive hit Tab + Numbers and target dies.  That type of combat is what I find boring so I am glad to see it go.  Personally I am enjoying WS a great deal and I think content wise it's one of the best MMO launches in quite some time.  Even if WS didn't peak my interest WoW certainly has nothing on offer I haven't already done or seen 1000000000000000000x at least WS might be familiar but a different skin.

 

Well it is not that I don't like it as such, I do welcome different types of combat systems. I think the reason I focused on that on Wildstar is because the combat system seems to be a large factor of appeal to a lot of people and how it is advertised, just like some other games have done in the past, take Age of Conan for example. Personally I don't mind the combat either way whether it is a more arcade style like Wildstar or tab targetting like on wow. I come from EQ and UO and have played tons and tons of mmo's over the years but never have I truly enjoyed an mmo's combat system over another to the point that it results in my favour towards that game. :)

I will say character control is extremely fluid and responsive in wow compared to anywhere else for sure.

This is really sole reason that makes it hard for me to find a new mmo. Movement is, for me, the most important aspect of a game. Even though I'm not playing WoW anymore (and do not feel like returning), I adored the fluidity of the movement. It's also the reason I love playing Blizzard games. Even though D3 gets a lot of criticism, the movement in the game is amazing, same for SC2.  

I think GW2 actually comes closest to it, but it's still not quite the same feeling.

  furbans

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6/12/14 5:13:46 PM#13
Originally posted by Crusades

Wildstar smashes wow right now. The other games still can't touch it. WS gameplay is similar, combat slightly different, but level of difficulty increased, one must be on their A game to succeed.

WoW still good, but WS is WoW evolved and more difficult

Riiiiight.  Really copying WoW mechanics and adding features that none of which are Carbines own unique design since they just copied from other MMOs is not evolving an MMO.  WS is just more stagnation of the genre.  Claims back by zero facts since most of the "evloving" has not been experienced by the players.  In fact one can argue that WS is de-evolving since they are taking on features that WoW for good reason abandoned.

  furbans

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6/12/14 5:25:21 PM#14
Originally posted by Graveblade

Anyone else played the newer mmo's like GW2, TERA, ESO and Wildstar?

 

I have played them but am actually seriously considering coming back to wow. I just wondered what some of your opinions are about these games, but in direct comparison to your experience with wow.

 

Recently...

I played ESO and left after about 3 weeks. I just couldn't bring myself to log in because I didn't enjoy the questing very much and having the pvp all in one area, while good in some respects feels lacking somehow to me. I can see why some would really enjoy the game though.

 

I am currently playing Wildstar and it certainly has some good aspects to it. I was very surprised by the amount of content at release and how much there is to do generally while leveling. The combat is quite fun although after playing through it, it is starting to feel a bit more like a gimmick rather than a combat system which is truly intuitive. It also currently feels a bit spammy in pvp, it feels like you have less of a true impact to me. A good game and quite surprising though as I was unsure about giving a go.

 

That said about the former games mentioned, wow is still a beast to be reckoned with. There is something that still draws me back, I am just unsure about taking the leap and if I should resub or not. The simplicity and the direct approach with regards to progression is quite appealing still. The Warcraft franchise is certainly one with a lot of charm. The combat is easy to do, but hard to truly master and each class is fairly unique. Very tempting to return and with a new expansion on the horizon, the temptation is a bit greater.

I am playing WoW solely for getting some characters prepped for WoD.  When 6.0 hits and the 1st Gharrosh kill you get after 6.0 hits is a garanteed heirloom weapon drop to be used in WoD and significant drop chances afterwards are two reasons to keep going with WoW if that interests you.  So I say resub when 6.0 hits or a bit earlier and gear up your toon in prep for it.

Otherwise there are some very nice singles player games coming out later this year to take up your time.  Wastelands 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Pillars of Eternity (well this is being released bout the same time as WoD) are reasons why I am not even touching WS or ESO.  WS if it stands the test of actual critical reviews that are not biased with the "OOOooohhhhhh SHINEY!!!" effect I might give a twirl but that won't happen till next year after WoD ages a bit.

  Hariken

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6/12/14 5:40:03 PM#15
With all these so called Wow smashers out there,and non of them still can't top it and never will. People get bored and want to try something new is all thats happening and most of them go back to whatever older game they were playing. Its just because not one of these new games brings anything new to the table. And that even hurts them more if they ask for a sub. Wildstar is the new kid on the block so all the hype and fans of the game have center stage now. Lets see how it is 6 months from now. I bet some of those players will go back to Wow like the OP did.
  Chrisbox

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6/12/14 10:41:04 PM#16
Originally posted by Crusades

Wildstar smashes wow right now. The other games still can't touch it. WS gameplay is similar, combat slightly different, but level of difficulty increased, one must be on their A game to succeed.

WoW still good, but WS is WoW evolved and more difficult

You people should think about the big pictures for a minute and stick to facts.

Wildstar forces you to pay attention during leveling and WoW doesn't.  When you're comparing a game, you have to include all aspects of it though.  Heroic end game and high mmr pvp in WoW is not easy, hence the absurdly low completion rates etc.  I predict wildstars will be pretty low as well. But the key difference there is that they don't force you into any difficulty in WoW, which is why it appeals to so many. Where as wildstar, you can't be a noob in the level 20 dungeon like you can in WoW's.

But since all aspects are being considered here, let me tell you about wildstars limited combat system compared to a complete one.  Before you say WoW is spam 12345 and stand there either without mentioning what type of content you're doing.  If you do say that, I'm gonna assume you never did anything hard in WoW recently because if you try stand there on any heroic fight or even a normal mode and try to get away with that, you will die guarenteed, and perform terribly while you're alive. One must be on their A game in WoW as well to get anywhere, because LFR isn't getting anywhere. You have to use a lot of abilities in both high end pve and pvp strategically, and stay mobile. You can spend 2 minutes on a twitch stream and learn that.

The issue here is no matter what content you're doing in wildstar, you're spamming 1234 and the dodge button, and occasionally venturing out to 5-8. That being said I actually think the content itself in wildstar is pretty well designed.

So if you would please rephrase your statement to, leveling in wildstar requires more attention than WoW's leveling to actually be valid, though I know being valid is hard for people still brainwashed by hype, that would be lovely. 

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  reeereee

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6/12/14 10:45:26 PM#17
WoW won't have any new content until the the next expansion so there is no rush to resub.  I would recommend hanging out in Wildstar for two more months then coming back to WoW when the hype train for WoD is in full swing.
  IceAge

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6/13/14 1:46:40 AM#18
Originally posted by furbans

Riiiiight.  Really copying WoW mechanics and adding features that none of which are Carbines own unique design since they just copied from other MMOs is not evolving an MMO.  

The irony. ( hope I don't need to explain to you what that means )

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  CommoX

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6/13/14 2:06:20 AM#19

So I jump from MMO to MMO trying to get the original feeling I got in DAOC and the 2004 edition of WoW.

I still get the joy of exploration and wonder in a few of the new MMOs but a lot falls flat.

ESO; I was happy with, until they nerfed the ever living dog piss out of templars, because of how bots used them to farm, if I am understanding correctly. I had odd play times, I went from being able to solo VR3-5 content in the quest hubs to dying constantly regardless of my build. I'm not keen on healing a mob to death in 30 minutes or more. I cancelled and moved on.

Wildstar; Right now, I feel like it is WoW in space. I love the combat. I have a fun time with exploring and double jump. I do wish the hotbar had two more slots, as on a PVP server I'm either set up for PVE or PVP, finding a medium for both usually ends up with me dead. I dig it, most of my friends who quit WoW with Cata are there now, though they all would rather not level. I'll probably stay here a while.

WoW - It's doing too little too late. Graphics overhaul? Other games did it sooner and faster. Whole engines, mobs character races, zones, worlds gear. I don't understand what the issue is. Smaller studios have done it with less. And now they trickle info for WoD out. Tell us too soon, give us too little. It leaves me disinterested.

My biggest catch for new MMOs is people to play with. Many communities are tight knit. Breaking into them is difficult, but getting together old friends to play is a pain too. There seem to be way more trolls these days, or brash, rude and absurd players. I might just be old, but I want to play the game with like minded people, not troll all day and be a douche in all the trade channels while telling everyone to L2P.

One thing that WoW, and all the older MMOs have over the new ones is leveling path. Both ESO and Wildstar have a very limited leveling path. Making playing an alt while waiting for friends to level up or log on boring as all get out. Things should be getting bigger not smaller, options should be getting more vast, not shrinking.

  mark2123

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6/13/14 10:14:05 AM#20
Originally posted by furbans
Originally posted by Crusades

Wildstar smashes wow right now. The other games still can't touch it. WS gameplay is similar, combat slightly different, but level of difficulty increased, one must be on their A game to succeed.

WoW still good, but WS is WoW evolved and more difficult

Riiiiight.  Really copying WoW mechanics and adding features that none of which are Carbines own unique design since they just copied from other MMOs is not evolving an MMO.  WS is just more stagnation of the genre.  Claims back by zero facts since most of the "evloving" has not been experienced by the players.  In fact one can argue that WS is de-evolving since they are taking on features that WoW for good reason abandoned.

Is an Aston Martin that much different to a Ford car i.e. it has an engine, boot, wheels, steering etc?

You're criticism of Wildstar is based on your love of WoW and sentimentality.

Wildstar has taken all the best bits from all of the 'cars' on the market and made a 'supercar' - of the themepark variety.  so if you like a themepark 'car', then Wildstar is that choice.

People are playing Wildstar and enjoying it immensely.  WoW is tired, lacking in new content and nothing ever develops very much.  Housing after 10 years!  Dear oh dea.  People have been asking for years, but Blizzard never listens - it just takes the monthly subs for delivering little or no new content.

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