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5/15/14 1:53:34 PM#21
It's not unusual for a power supply to deal collateral damage when it goes out.  If you're feeling up to it, check out the MB for any busted capacitors (tops will look messed up, probably caved in slightly).
  Ridelynn

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5/16/14 2:13:33 AM#22


Originally posted by Kyleran
Well all fans are spinning, power supply is new will try the RAM test next. In the old days Ram failure did not cause system to shut down, rather you would get cryptic beep codes or error messages on startup.

I've seen bad RAM do both - give beep codes or utterly brick a system to the point the power switch does absolutely nothing. Seems to depend on the motherboard and nature of the fault.

  grndzro

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5/16/14 4:10:13 AM#23
Originally posted by Kyleran
Well all fans are spinning, power supply is new will try the RAM test next. In the old days Ram failure did not cause system to shut down, rather you would get cryptic beep codes or error messages on startup.

Does the bios show up. If not replace CPU.

Is the hard drive working after startup but you have a blank screen. replace GPU.

Yes ram would give an error code if it is toast every time. Barring a short in the ram which would not allow system start up.

Have you done a hard reset of the bios? Take out battery and press the power button for 15 seconds when the computer is unplugged.

  Phry

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5/16/14 4:14:28 AM#24
With the age of the computer it might just be worthwhile cleaning and replacing the thermal paste on the CPU, the stuff is cheap enough and easy to apply, and might just be the sole cause of the overheat.
  syntax42

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5/16/14 8:28:47 AM#25
Originally posted by grndzro

Yes ram would give an error code if it is toast every time. Barring a short in the ram which would not allow system start up.

Not necessarily.  I've seen bad RAM cause a wide range of issues.  Anything from causing the system to not respond to the power button, random crashes, or simply being invisible to the system as if there were no DIMM in the slot.  Troubleshooting bad RAM takes patience and you can't rely on it causing beep codes every time.  

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5/16/14 3:29:39 PM#26
OP, have you any news? I am curious. :)
  grndzro

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5/22/14 12:40:16 PM#27
Originally posted by syntax42
Originally posted by grndzro

Yes ram would give an error code if it is toast every time. Barring a short in the ram which would not allow system start up.

Not necessarily.  I've seen bad RAM cause a wide range of issues.  Anything from causing the system to not respond to the power button, random crashes, or simply being invisible to the system as if there were no DIMM in the slot.  Troubleshooting bad RAM takes patience and you can't rely on it causing beep codes every time.  

We aren't talking about an iffy stick of ram. We are talking about a non start up issue. Running a memtest on his ram is impossible.

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5/22/14 7:59:14 PM#28


Originally posted by grndzro

Originally posted by syntax42

Originally posted by grndzro Yes ram would give an error code if it is toast every time. Barring a short in the ram which would not allow system start up.
Not necessarily.  I've seen bad RAM cause a wide range of issues.  Anything from causing the system to not respond to the power button, random crashes, or simply being invisible to the system as if there were no DIMM in the slot.  Troubleshooting bad RAM takes patience and you can't rely on it causing beep codes every time.  
We aren't talking about an iffy stick of ram. We are talking about a non start up issue. Running a memtest on his ram is impossible.

I agree with Syntax, I've seen bad RAM do a lot of strange things it ~shouldn't~ do. I wouldn't rule it out just because it isn't beep coding like it should.

  grndzro

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5/25/14 9:15:46 AM#29
Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by grndzro

Originally posted by syntax42

Originally posted by grndzro Yes ram would give an error code if it is toast every time. Barring a short in the ram which would not allow system start up.
Not necessarily.  I've seen bad RAM cause a wide range of issues.  Anything from causing the system to not respond to the power button, random crashes, or simply being invisible to the system as if there were no DIMM in the slot.  Troubleshooting bad RAM takes patience and you can't rely on it causing beep codes every time.  
We aren't talking about an iffy stick of ram. We are talking about a non start up issue. Running a memtest on his ram is impossible.

 

I agree with Syntax, I've seen bad RAM do a lot of strange things it ~shouldn't~ do. I wouldn't rule it out just because it isn't beep coding like it should.

I was a Dell L3 tech for 4 years. The symptoms pretty much rule out a ram problem. IMO it's cpu/mobo/capacitor/vrm related.

I have never seen ram spontaneusly go fubar. it either works or it dosent. If it's borderline functional it craps out at windows boot or throws an error code.

Replace system.

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5/26/14 12:49:59 AM#30


Originally posted by grndzro
I was a Dell L3 tech for 4 years. The symptoms pretty much rule out a ram problem. IMO it's cpu/mobo/capacitor/vrm related.

I have never seen ram spontaneusly go fubar. it either works or it dosent. If it's borderline functional it craps out at windows boot or throws an error code.

Replace system.


Spoken like the guy who sent back my broken Dell 3 times swearing it worked ok... =)

  reillan

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5/26/14 12:56:34 AM#31

If it turns off within a second of powering it on, it's *always* your cpu fan. The only thing that would shut off a computer that quickly is if it's getting too hot. That could be cooling compound not being spread perfectly.

Now, if it was staying on longer than a second, I would say it's something like a bad expansion board (literally every device plugged into your motherboard can lock up your motherboard and keep it from booting - even saw a keyboard do that once). In which case, you can test by unplugging one, see if it'll stay up longer, repeat until it stays up.

I also have seen that with a short circuit. My computer can't sit on carpet, because of a minor short with the case. If I put it directly on carpet, it'll turn off in about 5 seconds. If I put it anywhere else, it runs like a champ. Never bothered to fix. :)

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5/26/14 2:33:02 AM#32


Originally posted by reillan
If it turns off within a second of powering it on, it's *always* your cpu fan. The only thing that would shut off a computer that quickly is if it's getting too hot. That could be cooling compound not being spread perfectly.

...

You know, I have actually booted a computer with no heat sink on the CPU. Turning on a computer and going through the boot cycle isn't exactly very CPU intensive. I don't recommend doing that, but I am pretty much saying that it's not *always* the CPU fan, and that is almost certainly not what would shut down a computer within one second.

  syntax42

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5/26/14 8:28:52 AM#33

A server I worked on today ended up having the same symptoms described by the OP.  It would turn on all the fans for a few seconds, then turn off for five seconds.  It would continue that cycle until power was removed.  The motherboard ended up being the culprit.

I'm not saying the OP's issue is definitely the motherboard.  It could be any component in the case, which is why proper troubleshooting needs to be applied.  Perform any test you can think of before replacing a component or you'll just waste money on new components. 

  chronoss2015

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5/26/14 8:39:56 AM#34

look at the mother board are the capicitors burnt out , if your good a sodering you cold get a bag of 200 for a few bucks and actually repair it.....

 

  tom_gore

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5/26/14 8:46:52 AM#35

It's the mainboard 95% sure. Probably some capacitors are dead/nearly dead. Check them around to see if any are bulged or leaking.

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OP  5/26/14 9:14:45 AM#36
Thanks guys, a couple more folks have looked at it, all are agreeing its the mother board. Thing is, if I replace it, I should replace the processor and RAM, which since the computer is 5 years old, just means it's time for a new computer.

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5/26/14 9:56:38 AM#37
Originally posted by Kyleran
Thanks guys, a couple more folks have looked at it, all are agreeing its the mother board. Thing is, if I replace it, I should replace the processor and RAM, which since the computer is 5 years old, just means it's time for a new computer.

 

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