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  DMKano

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4/26/14 7:31:51 AM#21

The title is complete garbage.

It makes is sound like these are "new reviews rolling in" - when in truth many of those are those garbage April 4th launch reviews by small sites that Zenimax sponsored to help the sales.

The real reviews take weeks - akin to what MMORPG is doing.

When it comes to MMOs - ignore those early reviews people, they are crap.

 

  Nephelai

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4/26/14 7:37:09 AM#22
Originally posted by Scot
 

Reviews are mixed on TESO because it is trying to do something different, somewhat slower progression (nothing like as slow in the old days), no Auction House and other differences do not go down well with many players. Having been fed on a diet of easyMMO's and MOBA's thats hardly a surprise.

I would put it at an 8+ myself.

What exactly did they do different and what about it makes you rate it an 8? I'm interested because in my experience there is not a single thing in this game that hasn't been done before and in a lot of cases much better.

 

"Having been fed on a diet of easyMMO's" wow you said that? This game isn't hard at all its AWKWARD.

 

The UI is terribly lacking information. Why even have buffs/debuffs if you cant even see them applied, no names plates, no performance information available for players to improve, can see what you are looting, we shouldn't have to wait on ui modders to fix it after this many years of MMO development.

 

You cant do more than one thing at once, want to chat? great then stop whatever you are doing, want to look at the map? never mind bringing up a full map every 2m to see how you are tracking to an objective.

 

Guild auction houses aren't an improvement over world auction houses, so much crap in the world your bags fill up in three minutes which you then port back to town to deconstruct.

 

All the armor looks drab, when you upgrade it actually looks WORSE.

 

All healing is smart healing in most case AoE smart healing.

 

So much zoning in the open world.

 

I could go on but seriously this game isn't hard its an awkward stop / start step back in the quality of life of MMO's. I wish it was insanely hard so then Joe average wouldn't be defending it.

 

 

 

 

  Ppiper

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4/26/14 7:40:34 AM#23
Originally posted by DMKano

The title is complete garbage.

It makes is sound like these are "new reviews rolling in" - when in truth many of those are those garbage April 4th launch reviews by small sites that Zenimax sponsored to help the sales.

The real reviews take weeks - akin to what MMORPG is doing.

When it comes to MMOs - ignore those early reviews people, they are crap.

 

wait, this review isn't relevant?  Merlin'in Kazan? (Turkey)

  Colt47

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4/26/14 7:41:01 AM#24

The point of the score is to grab attention.  The point of a review, on the other hand, is to point out the good and bad points of a particular game, with authors either putting more emphasis on the good portions or the bad portions.   The only reason we are getting so many sensationalist postings here is due to the fact we aren't rational creatures and we have a strong, perhaps unhealthy fascination with, sensationalism over substance.   Someone may get home from a long day of work with little patience for the smallest sleight and decide to project that through posting on some subject, or someone may be on vacation and is fairly laid back, so they post rather level headed or positively.

As for why these rants generate so much traffic, there's a lot of reasons, though for the author of a venting post they are often looking for empathy, or at least a chameleon playing the role of empathy.

  fivoroth

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4/26/14 7:43:35 AM#25

I don't want to discredit any of those reviews. But the only review websites which I use and I have heard of are IGN and Gamespot. But even those two sometimes give bollock reviews. I just read the review rather than look at the score.

Metacritic score is 74 which is not that bad. But it's very important to read the actual reviews rather than look at scores. Don't read user reviews. For example, metacritic's user score is the worst indicator of a game's quality. User reviews are worthless. Metacritic is only good for critic reviews and not user reviews.

I can't give you a score for the game. For me it is very difficult to think in terms of stupid scales. It's much more important to point out what you like and what you don't like. There are very few games which I would give a 10 out of 10.

Probably World of Warcraft, Dota, Starcraft 1/2, Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2. No other 10/10 games for me. Don't know how people decide to give a game 8 or 9, how do you distinguish between the two? I can only really score games which I think are sick like those in the previous sentence. THose games were PERFECT so I would give them 10/10

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  baphamet

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4/26/14 7:43:56 AM#26

so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

that's how the mmo community here works.

the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

  BeansnBread

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4/26/14 7:46:58 AM#27
Originally posted by baphamet

so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

that's how the mmo community here works.

the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  baphamet

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4/26/14 7:49:49 AM#28


Originally posted by fivoroth
I don't want to discredit any of those reviews. But the only review websites which I use and I have heard of are IGN and Gamespot. But even those two sometimes give bollock reviews. I just read the review rather than look at the score.

Metacritic score is 74 which is not that bad. But it's very important to read the actual reviews rather than look at scores. Don't read user reviews. For example, metacritic's user score is the worst indicator of a game's quality. User reviews are worthless. Metacritic is only good for critic reviews and not user reviews.

I can't give you a score for the game. For me it is very difficult to think in terms of stupid scales. It's much more important to point out what you like and what you don't like. There are very few games which I would give a 10 out of 10.

Probably World of Warcraft, Dota, Starcraft 1/2, Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2. No other 10/10 games for me. Don't know how people decide to give a game 8 or 9, how do you distinguish between the two? I can only really score games which I think are sick like those in the previous sentence. THose games were PERFECT so I would give them 10/10


if comparing ESO launch to wow launch and u give wow a 10/10 i would give this at leas a 9 in comparison. in fact i would probably give it a 10 as well.

wow is not a perfect mmo and it damn sure was not at launch. personally, i wouldn't give any of those games a 10 that you listed.

they all had and still have flaws.

  Senden

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4/26/14 7:50:11 AM#29
Originally posted by Gaeluian
I'll never understand why someone posts on a forum about a game that they don't like. If you don' t like it, then, why would you follow it anyway?

Welcome to the internet, where people (gamers in particular) spend more time lurking around places to hate on things than they do on things they like. 

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  DMKano

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4/26/14 7:51:23 AM#30
Originally posted by baphamet

so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

that's how the mmo community here works.

the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

Its Elder Scrolls Online 

Elder Scrolls is a hugely successful single player franchise.

Add Online to it - of course people are going to compare it to Elder Scrolls games as the title of the game implies its Elder Scrolls Online.

Otherwise why call it Elder Scrolls Online?

Why not call it  Great War of Tamriel? Or The Conquest of Molag Bal?

No they chose Elder Scrolls Online - of course everyone is going to compare it to Elder Scrolls games.

 

  baphamet

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4/26/14 7:52:50 AM#31


Originally posted by BeansnBread

Originally posted by baphamet so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid. that's how the mmo community here works. the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.
There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

not talking about metacritic, i'm talking about right here. do you not recall the negative beta reviews that people here took as law?

why is that okay but when someone makes a positive one it's because they did it on launch day? are we to assume these reviewers were not in closed beta and were not just waiting for official launch to write their review?

just sayin..

  GeezerGamer

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4/26/14 7:53:09 AM#32

You know what? I have to give OP credit for doing what fans should be doing. While so many of the fans are out here doing "damage control" by attacking what they view as a negative opinion through other questionable means. This OP has gone out and found resources to support TESO in a positive light instead of  trying to throw off a negative light (Which never works).

Now, how much weight these links carry I can't say, I'm not familiar with many of them, but I applaud this thread.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  fivoroth

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4/26/14 7:53:17 AM#33
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by baphamet

so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

that's how the mmo community here works.

the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

Critics don't review games before their launch... Or did you mean user reviews? Metacritic doesn't allow you to review a game before its launch. But there were negative user reviews on the 4th April and they were referring to their gameplay before launch (e.g. beta).

I think people who give 0 reviews should be banned from metacritic. It's one thing to give a negative review but a 0. Those people are stupid as fuck. How many games deserve a 0/10. I haven't played a single game that deserves 0/10. It's just not objective. A 0/10 means the game is exceptionally bad. It mean it's broken, unplayable, is worse than 90% of the games out there and has 0 redeeming qualities.

 

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  User Deleted
4/26/14 7:55:54 AM#34
Originally posted by tinoberserk
This is for all the people saying that some of these are not reputable websites. The world doesn't end at your countries border. 

Well, from my country, Eurogamer Portugal, they gave it 7 out of 10. Just saying NA really isn't the only country.

http://www.eurogamer.pt/articles/2014-04-23-the-elder-scrolls-online-analise?page=3

Also, the last paragraph echos the same sentiment i see in most reviews:

"In the end,  the feeling i got playing ESO is somewhat weird, because i did enjoy it enough to want to play it, just not at an mmo level. Iwas teh same thing i felt from playing SWTOR. It was positive, but it would have been better if it was just KOTOR 3. That's why i think genre ended up restraining it, instead of releasing it's potential."

  Panzerbase

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4/26/14 7:58:10 AM#35
Call it a hunch but I doubt many people have 3DJuegos and Cheat Code Central as their go to sites. 
  fivoroth

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4/26/14 7:58:25 AM#36
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by fivoroth
I don't want to discredit any of those reviews. But the only review websites which I use and I have heard of are IGN and Gamespot. But even those two sometimes give bollock reviews. I just read the review rather than look at the score.

 

Metacritic score is 74 which is not that bad. But it's very important to read the actual reviews rather than look at scores. Don't read user reviews. For example, metacritic's user score is the worst indicator of a game's quality. User reviews are worthless. Metacritic is only good for critic reviews and not user reviews.

I can't give you a score for the game. For me it is very difficult to think in terms of stupid scales. It's much more important to point out what you like and what you don't like. There are very few games which I would give a 10 out of 10.

Probably World of Warcraft, Dota, Starcraft 1/2, Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2. No other 10/10 games for me. Don't know how people decide to give a game 8 or 9, how do you distinguish between the two? I can only really score games which I think are sick like those in the previous sentence. THose games were PERFECT so I would give them 10/10


 

if comparing ESO launch to wow launch and u give wow a 10/10 i would give this at leas a 9 in comparison. in fact i would probably give it a 10 as well.

wow is not a perfect mmo and it damn sure was not at launch. personally, i wouldn't give any of those games a 10 that you listed.

they all had and still have flaws.

I am sorry but I don't assess games based on their launch. WoW was incredibly unstable at launch. Lag, disconnects, server issues are NOT something I base my review on. I assess them based on their gameplay and fun factor. World of Warcraft is the most fun MMO (and probably game) I have ever played. Even with all the disconnects, server queues I was eager to keep playing. My passion for the game just didn't get affected in the least. ESO is very nice but it doesn't have the same fun factor that WoW had.

Besides WoW actually didn't have more bugs than ESO. WoW had few bugs. But it is true their servers get destroyed by the demand. 3-4 hour queues were the norm for the first 2-3 months.

But can you really compare an MMO launch in 2004 to one in 2014? Standards now are different. ESO is way buggier than the majority of recent MMOs that have launched. WoW that launched in 2004 was less buggy. It's fair to compare ESO launch to WoW's recent expansion launches. I haven't played MOP but I heard that went super smoothly.

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  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

4/26/14 8:01:34 AM#37

74/100 metacritic score and 6.3/10 average user score looks pretty average and most of the 10/10's seem the be from launch day or shortly thereafter.

8 to 9 out of 10 is very generous, too generous if you ask me, but who cares what I think, the numbers speak for themselves.

  DMKano

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4/26/14 8:02:24 AM#38
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by baphamet

so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

that's how the mmo community here works.

the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

Critics don't review games before their launch... Or did you mean user reviews? Metacritic doesn't allow you to review a game before its launch. But there were negative user reviews on the 4th April and they were referring to their gameplay before launch (e.g. beta).

I think people who give 0 reviews should be banned from metacritic. It's one thing to give a negative review but a 0. Those people are stupid as fuck. How many games deserve a 0/10. I haven't played a single game that deserves 0/10. It's just not objective. A 0/10 means the game is exceptionally bad. It mean it's broken, unplayable, is worse than 90% of the games out there and has 0 redeeming qualities.

 

The zero reviews are there to offset those shill 10/10 paid reviews.

Just ignore all 0/10 and 10/10 reviews.

 

  AwDiddums

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Posts: 386

4/26/14 8:05:55 AM#39

I have cancelled any subscription package with this game but I still have access due to my free month.

 

I had logged out near the spirit camp in ColdHarbour, now last week when I had to do various quests there I came across an horrendous amount of botters farming the spirits. Now I've come across botters in other MMO's, but this is the first time I've seen so many together. I did my duty as a player who wanted to see the game grow, and I reported them.

Now I haven't played since last week, I logged back in this morning, about a week after reporting these botters, I come back to the same area and hey presto the spot that had 2 botters camping a spawn now had 3, and so on and so on with nearly every other static spawn in that area.

To say I was disheartened would be an understatement, I clicked the report button, and then thought whats the bloody point, they don't seem to be listening, they do not seem to be getting rid of this plague, and I noticed nothing had been changed at all over that week.

Now I see this thread is talking about review sites giving such a positive mark for the game, what a crock. If Zenimax can not get a grip their player base will diminish, the botters and gold spammers will out number the real players and in the end no one will win, you'll have an MMO living on life support after it fails to keep enough subscribers.

 

  fivoroth

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4/26/14 8:06:54 AM#40
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by baphamet

so what about the negative reviews that were done before launch that the community here took as law? if its negative its a good review, positive and its because they got paid.

that's how the mmo community here works.

the problem with a lot of these reviewers is they compare it to single player games and not other mmo's

IMO if this mmo is average then so is every single other current mmo.

There are no negative reviews on Metacritic that were on or before April 4th.

Critics don't review games before their launch... Or did you mean user reviews? Metacritic doesn't allow you to review a game before its launch. But there were negative user reviews on the 4th April and they were referring to their gameplay before launch (e.g. beta).

I think people who give 0 reviews should be banned from metacritic. It's one thing to give a negative review but a 0. Those people are stupid as fuck. How many games deserve a 0/10. I haven't played a single game that deserves 0/10. It's just not objective. A 0/10 means the game is exceptionally bad. It mean it's broken, unplayable, is worse than 90% of the games out there and has 0 redeeming qualities.

 

The zero reviews are there to offset those shill 10/10 paid reviews.

Just ignore all 0/10 and 10/10 reviews.

 

Quoted for truth. I have seen 0/10 reviews say they try to compensate for all the 10/10 reviews and vice versa. Metacritic should put a filter where you can see only reviews between certain scores. For example, I would to filter out all the 0/10, 1/10 reviews etc. for ALL games and movies I review. Just wastes my screen space and time trying to scroll through all those worthless reviews. Also any reviews under a certain word count should also be filtered out if desired.

But that's going offtopic and these are suggestions for Metacritic to improve their website.

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