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  zwei2

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OP  4/15/14 9:30:57 AM#1

Suppose a game company creates a dream come true 100% f2p MMORPG for all mmo gamers. Users do not need to pay anything to play it. It targets just about everyone: the hardcore, the casual, the sandbox, the themepark, and it is a smashing hit. You name it, the game has it. (Yeah, I know, if such a game really exist, Mars will terraform into another Earth. Oh wait...) There is one condition...

 

To maintain the game's upkeep fees, like server and manpower salary, and the upkeep is linear to the number of gamers, the gamers must DONATE to the game, and expect nothing personal in return. No suitable donation, game will stop maintainance. No flow of money, and the whole game ceases operation. So, will you donate your hard-earned money generously, knowing you will NOT get any special treatment (perhaps a payment receipt), but get to continue to play your dream game (as well as everyone else's game) forever and ever?

 

Edit : No in game store, no VIP subscription, no nonsense of any payment, just pure f2p. As for the donation, it can be any amount, from $0.01 to a million dollars, as long as you are willing to pay, and understand that there will be gamers playing at your expense.

 

More edit : Please TRY to assume legal games and servers, which are first hand created and maintained by the game companies themselves

 

More more edit : This donation differs from subscription, in such that sub has a fixed rate, and maybe discounted rate for bundles, but it is clearly stated that a gamer must pay a sub to play the game, else account is disabled. In a donation scenario, company will not force the gamer to pay anything, while the gamer gets to enjoy everything. Underlying though, is such that if no one wishes to donate "on behalf" of that gamer, the game will just stop functioning. And of course, this is just an imaginary MMORPG, so please don't get too uptight about all the rules and regulations. This is just a light-hearted thread.

 

Anyway, I will be frank, and my answer is NO! lol... So far, there are no AAA game companies stupid enough to create such a new "innovation".

Will you donate out of "good will"?

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  Naowut

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4/15/14 9:40:45 AM#2
No innovation there but something old and forgotten. But I guess that goes as innovation these days.
  zwei2

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OP  4/15/14 9:42:05 AM#3
Originally posted by Naowut
No innovation there but something old and forgotten. But I guess that goes for innovation these days.

Oh, that means it has been done before? Interesting...

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  Naowut

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4/15/14 9:49:11 AM#4

Well.. I used to be really into private servers and back then if you had fun you donated for the upkeep, and it worked, in fact people made quite some money that way. It was until later that they started offering gear and even levels in return for a donation and made even more money. I think this is what made the big companies to start their ''innovative'' F2P games.

 

I will punch you in the mouth if I get banned for bringing up private servers. lol

 

I also want to mention that money isnt the issue.

People are so cheap these days because the games are crap. But when they find the game they love these same people will become very generous.

  zwei2

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OP  4/15/14 9:52:25 AM#5
Originally posted by Naowut

Well.. I used to be really into private servers and back then if you had fun you donated for the upkeep, and it worked, in fact people made quite some money that way. It was until later that they started offering gear and even levels in return for a donation and made even more money. I think this is what made the big companies to start their ''innovative'' F2P games.

 

I will punch you in the mouth if I get banned for bringing up private servers. lol

Damn, it just sounds too good to be true. Guess what happens when humans become greedy...

The possibility of the universe collapsing into a singularity is higher than the birth of a perfect MMORPG.

  zwei2

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OP  4/15/14 9:54:11 AM#6
Originally posted by DMKano

It already exists - private servers

 

I made some changes... unfortunately, only legit games are considered here, the games which can be advertised legally.

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  bliss14

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Ahh devil ether.

4/15/14 10:02:36 AM#7

I know you edited your post about private servers, but I think that would be the only model that would work for donations.  My old fps clan had a quake 3 server for years back in the day, which ran off of clan dollars, plus random donations from people who liked the server.  Unless you find some sort of altruistic company who doesn't care about making money, a donation game will never happen.

 

Although, you are talking about some sort of Eden for gaming.  If a game were perfect for everyone, I'm sure enough would donate to keep it going.  Aint neva goan hapin doh!

  zwei2

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OP  4/15/14 10:31:21 AM#8
Originally posted by bliss14

I know you edited your post about private servers, but I think that would be the only model that would work for donations.  My old fps clan had a quake 3 server for years back in the day, which ran off of clan dollars, plus random donations from people who liked the server.  Unless you find some sort of altruistic company who doesn't care about making money, a donation game will never happen.

 

Although, you are talking about some sort of Eden for gaming.  If a game were perfect for everyone, I'm sure enough would donate to keep it going.  Aint neva goan hapin doh!

Maybe an indie company can try to kickstart one... those indie companies that are "passionate" about making games for gamers. Perhaps it will be true, as per you say, if the game is perfect for a least the target demographic gamers, they will donate to keep it going...

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  iixviiiix

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4/15/14 11:08:29 AM#9

That dream is possible , but the solution isn't a game , but tools to mod / created games.

if people like that tool , they will donate.

Of course since the "games" people create are all mods of same game (tools lol) then wasn't they are a same game ? lol

 

  Four0Six

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Joined: 12/18/11
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4/15/14 11:14:56 AM#10

I do donate. To a few different charitable organizations in my community. Ones that help the homeless or other less fortunate individuals.

 

When it comes to MMOs or any other consumable, I side with purchasing. Make a product that I want or need I will buy it.

 

Charity is for charity.  

  Jadedangel1

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Joined: 5/25/13
Posts: 187

4/15/14 11:21:27 AM#11
Originally posted by zwei2

Suppose a game company creates a dream come true 100% f2p MMORPG for all mmo gamers. Users do not need to pay anything to play it. It targets just about everyone: the hardcore, the casual, the sandbox, the themepark, and it is a smashing hit. You name it, the game has it. (Yeah, I know, if such a game really exist, Mars will terraform into another Earth. Oh wait...) There is one condition...

 

To maintain the game's upkeep fees, like server and manpower salary, and the upkeep is linear to the number of gamers, the gamers must DONATE to the game, and expect nothing personal in return. No suitable donation, game will stop maintainance. No flow of money, and the whole game ceases operation. So, will you donate your hard-earned money generously, knowing you will NOT get any special treatment (perhaps a payment receipt), but get to continue to play your dream game (as well as everyone else's game) forever and ever?

 

Edit : No in game store, no VIP subscription, no nonsense of any payment, just pure f2p. As for the donation, it can be any amount, from $0.01 to a million dollars, as long as you are willing to pay, and understand that there will be gamers playing at your expense.

 

More edit : Please TRY to assume legal games and servers, which are first hand created and maintained by the game companies themselves

 

I will be frank, and my answer is NO! lol... So far, there are no AAA game companies stupid enough to create such a new "innovation".

But can this really be considered a "donation", as the way you describe it, there's practically an obligation to pay. Sounds more like a sub. 

But to answer your question, I would say it depends on what type of game, meaning its genre (whether fantasy, sci-fi, supernatural, etc), it's lore, and how the features are implented. Just because this hypothetical game includes everything I want, doesn't mean it's given to me in the way I want it. And even if I was, I don't like feeling "forced" to do something, so maybe not (though I am not against p2p games).

  mcrippins

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4/15/14 11:26:49 AM#12
I don't really understand. You call it f2p as in free 2 play, but say a donation is mandatory. Slight contradiction there. Granted I know you stated a minimum of 1 penny, but that's still something. To be honest I think it could work as long as the minimum was $5 with a max of $10. That way everyone contributes a fair amount. Interesting idea, but have to have the game first. No game will ever please everyone. Especially this day in age. Too many haters!
  Caldrin

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4/15/14 11:33:59 AM#13

@OP

So gamers must DONATE to play the game? Well thats not free at all infact that is a pure sub based game.

back 10 years ago thats how MMOs worked none of this shitty cash shop stuff.. you bascallly paid a monthly sub and got everything :)

 

 

 

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  Torvaldr

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4/15/14 12:14:18 PM#14

No, I don't donate out of goodwill to businesses and software projects. I do donate to causes, but this isn't a cause.

I support and pay for my software based on what it delivers. I've paid for paint.net, 7zip, and some other open source projects because I used their software and it provided useful value and functionality. I pay for my F2P/B2P games because they offer value for what I purchase.

The donation system is too convoluted. Just charge $10 - $20 for the game and be done with it. Please let go of the idea that F2P means never paying. It means not locked behind a subscription and that's it. TAANSTAFL.

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  nariusseldon

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4/15/14 1:25:01 PM#15

nah .. there are plenty of f2p games. I don't need to donate to play a game. Plus, if it is any good, it can charge good money, or get whales to pony up.

 

  Cephus404

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4/15/14 1:56:07 PM#16
Exactly how is a donation-based game any different than a sub-based game?  You pay your $15, the game keeps running. You don't get any special treatment because you paid your $15 because everyone has to do it.  Whether you get billed or are expected to pay it on your own, I don't see a big difference between the two.

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  mrrshann618

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4/15/14 2:02:51 PM#17

With the exception of the "buying cool things" isn't this how a f2p currently works?

1000 people spend 100$ a month on the latest fashion pieces or lockboxes

several others spend anywhere from 15-99$

 

This lets those who spend less than a "sub" (15$ a month) to continue to play

 

The only difference is the expectation of getting stuff.

  DamonVile

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4/15/14 2:06:47 PM#18
If the game was as good as all that I probably would but it would feel weird. I'd rather just pay for a great game under whatever it's payment model is and see the value in what I was paying for.
  AlBQuirky

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4/15/14 4:44:38 PM#19

"Donate out of Goodwill?" No.
"Donate because I enjoy the game?" Yes.

Is this a month by month accounting? If someone pays 1 million dollars one month, and nobody pays the next month, is it gone?

Also, as an aside, no such game could ever exist. Sandbox is opposite of Themepark. Open World PvP is opposite of PvE only. A lot of features are mutually exclusive, so being everything to everyone is a fallacy.

Unless, you are speaking of a game like that Disney one where you can play in multiple worlds and settings.

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  Helleri

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4/16/14 3:25:49 AM#20
For such a game that I enjoy playing Yes. But, I feel another aspect would have be to allow skilled users to donate their effort as well (or in stead of donating money). If the development team is well organized they can release chunks for users to work on. Everything from W3C compliance updates for pages, to Dialogue fixes, to user submitted content contests. Users can submit the results of projects they have opted into, and the dev team can affect them with the official release after review.

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