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  User Deleted
4/03/14 6:36:47 PM#21
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by gonewild

Totaly agree.

Oldschool never dies.

Once those youngsters get a taste of oldscholl gaming like we were used to,they will never want to go back.

Then they will realise what crap games they are playing all these years

 

Thats not only in games though Back in the days music was better as well,well everything was better.We just had a lack of technology.

Now that we have technology we go back in quality.

Hope eso proves how an oldschool game is beeing made

If you are calling ESO oldschool i wouldn't call others youngsters. I have played all oldshchool MMOS and ESO is not it.

I think people are not trying to liken "I have to think in this game!" with "This game is oldschool!"... wonder how long it will be until they jump the shark and say true F2P games (grinders with quality of life items in the shop) are the only oldschool games.

  Knotwood

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OP  4/03/14 6:40:06 PM#22
When some people compare old school games to ESO, they might only see mechanics, but there is a vision.  That vision is what I love and talk about.   its a old school vision that has no mechanical limits on it, it is not the way you swing your sword, or how you press the x button or see a UI...  
  BeansnBread

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4/03/14 6:41:42 PM#23
Originally posted by Knotwood
When some people compare old school games to ESO, they might only see mechanics, but there is a vision.  That vision is what I love and talk about.   its a old school vision that has no mechanical limits on it, it is not the way you swing your sword, or how you press the x button or see a UI...  

In this case it's not anything.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  JudgeUK

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4/03/14 6:44:12 PM#24

Can they get rid of the potions wheel? That definitely isn't an old school feature.

  User Deleted
4/03/14 6:53:06 PM#25
Originally posted by Knotwood
When some people compare old school games to ESO, they might only see mechanics, but there is a vision.  That vision is what I love and talk about.   its a old school vision that has no mechanical limits on it, it is not the way you swing your sword, or how you press the x button or see a UI...  

"Vision" is what piss poor developers claim they have while real developers just do the best that they can the way they want to without the burdens of the past or the expectations of the materialistic present. That said they dun goofed terribly with this game in my opinion... for the shit-tastic combat alone they should've stuck to B2P.

  ace80k

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4/03/14 6:53:39 PM#26
I played EQ extensively..probably a bit too extensively. With that said, ESO is not old school, sorry. I found it more similar to swtor than anything else. I wouldn't compare ESO's high fantasy to the "days of high adventure" as mentioned in the OP's post either. When I think of high adventure/high fantasy, I think of huge, grand structures. I think of larger than life creatures which present TRUE danger. I think of a living, breathing world filled with wonder. These things were more than lacking in ESO imo.
  Soki123

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4/03/14 6:54:42 PM#27
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Knotwood
When some people compare old school games to ESO, they might only see mechanics, but there is a vision.  That vision is what I love and talk about.   its a old school vision that has no mechanical limits on it, it is not the way you swing your sword, or how you press the x button or see a UI...  

"Vision" is what piss poor developers claim they have while real developers just do the best that they can the way they want to without the burdens of the past or the expectations of the materialistic present. That said they dun goofed terribly with this game in my opinion... for the shit-tastic combat alone they should've stuck to B2P.

Agreed, one of the worst in a long time.

  Tbau

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4/03/14 7:02:44 PM#28
Originally posted by Yoda_Clone

Knotwood, at times you sound like the Shill of Shills.

ESO is not EQ; not even close.

It is a linear game; not as bad as SW-TOR or AoC, but not free roaming gameplay like the Elder Scolls games, either.

It is not the Second Coming (TM).

Let it be what it is and quit trying to hype it so much.

It did read like an advertisement didn't it?

ESO doesn't have anything old school about it other than the world being cut up into closed off pieces like DaoC. none of the depth in any category is there outside of lore and it falls far short of most old school MMOs in every major category of gameplay, skills, spells, crafting, combat, RPing tools...all were better in older games.

  Jockan

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4/03/14 7:07:19 PM#29
This is simply the power of the new and shiny.

  Dren_Utogi

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4/03/14 7:16:56 PM#30
Originally posted by Knotwood
When some people compare old school games to ESO, they might only see mechanics, but there is a vision.  That vision is what I love and talk about.   its a old school vision that has no mechanical limits on it, it is not the way you swing your sword, or how you press the x button or see a UI...  

Brad McQuaid ?

 

Vanguard had way better vision in my opinion, and looked amazing, the way an mmo should look and how an mmo should play , no loading screens.

 

TESO is the same old thing, with a few peices glued on from Skyrim.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  sethman75

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4/03/14 9:49:12 PM#31

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

  Bigdaddyx

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4/03/14 9:51:41 PM#32
Originally posted by sethman75

Well said OP.

Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.

Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.

I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.

You know that several players already hit lvl 50 in TESO right?

Any game can be played carefully and enjoyed over the months..depends upon how slow you want to go. As already beens aid several times all of us are not kids and nope ESO isn't anything like old school MMOS.

  prowess

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4/03/14 9:57:32 PM#33
Originally posted by Knotwood

As I played over the last few days, I realized something more.  I've grown older since I started playing MMORPG's.  Quite a bit older.  Old enough to call myself an old school gamer.

 

I grew up in the days when Movies like Conan the Barbarian, Willow, Dragon Slayer, Legend, Lady Hawke, The Beastmaster, King Authur, and countless Mythology movies that were all Top Movie Hits.  Those were the days of High Adventure.  This is what we loved in the old school days of D&D and gaming. 

 

When EQ came out it was like the adventures we got to see in epic high adventure type movies,  soon after we seen EQOA and other games of that genre.   These games appealed to old schoolers, as time moved on, SOE created the monster EQ2 and WoW came out which started a path away from HIgh Adventure.   Then came Age of Conan, a game which was wholely unfinished, and hurt the Old School games, not because it wasn't great, but because of hits horrible launch.

 

Old schoolers then seen a movment of the MMO industry away from High adventure titles, until LOTRO.  It was the beacon of hope for Old Schoolers, and till this day, both EQ and LOTRO are still strong.   Since then we have seen Movies like Lord of the Rings do really well in theaters and TV series Game of Thrones, which is a #1 hit, which brought a glimmer of hope to my eyes once again, seeing that old school money and instrest is not completely dead!  

 

For many years I felt as though the MMO industry had forgotten that we old schoolers who loved High Adventure still existed in the shadows of many other games.   Then came my greatest hope yet....  ESO.   ESO means more then just another MMO, it represents all the things I loved growing up in High Adventure and what Old School Adventure is like.  ESO has brought that back to us as old schoolers, and gave us a masterpiece we have been waiting for, for a long time.

 

So when I hear someone whos younger say that ESO sucks, it feel its because they did not grow up in my days.  Where the Music was that of High Adventure, like in movies of Conan the Barbarian or the rest I listed.   To sit back and hear music that inspires high adventure and can tell a story on its own is a truly beautiful art that has been lost over the past decade.  Or a game that can tell a story that gives you the feeling of actually being in a move of the old school day movies.   Its a wonder to be in a game of this quality that is Old School at its heart and is a dream come true, to see the voice overs, the sights in the world that are so real looking that every detail on a building or on the horizon takes you right to High Adventure days.  To me this is the next gen Old School game I have been waiting a decade to see come true! 

 

For that I want to say Thank you Zenimax for not giving up on the Old School players and stayed true to the feeling and immersion of the old school days of High Adventure!!!   I feel there will be a lot of others who feel the same as I do....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm an oldschool gamer and I totally disagree with you.  If you want to discount all the critics as kids, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

In the old school, we didn't have our hands held.  We didn't have a linear path to winning..  This is a garbage game and I'm disgusted with it and you.

 


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4/03/14 10:21:47 PM#34
Originally posted by Yoda_Clone

It is not the Second Coming (TM).

 

I'm surprised someone with a Yoda themed web presence doesn't get just how off this type of response is. The second coming is completely personal, it may very well be Knot's favorite game ever. What you think of that means little.

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  bingbongbros

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4/03/14 10:33:26 PM#35

I'm one of these old school gamers and TESO is far from anything remotely close to what old school mmo used to be.  This is as linear and themeparkish as it gets and far enough from an actual TES game to not have any sand box elements.  And no combat skill sets don't make a game a sandbox.

 

This is another failed cash grab.  Not tricking this old school gamer again. Not after my new hope was smashed by Tortanic.

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  Robsolf

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4/03/14 10:34:04 PM#36

I don't mean this as snark or sarcasm; I'd really like it if you came back in 6 months to re-review the game.  Something tells me the 1st date fuzzies are in full swing, but MMO's are a long term commitment.  What you, or anyone else thinks will be much more important to me when the game has been around awhile.

Again, no personal offense.  I've had "new game fuzzies" myself.  Maybe ESO is more than that, but only time will tell.

In the meantime, enjoy!

  Battlerock

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4/03/14 10:37:44 PM#37

I played in the betas, been watching on twitch.....

- it is clanky, poorly animated, and lacking substance, just like old school mmorgs.

  Traugar

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4/03/14 10:39:51 PM#38
OP I wouldn't call this old school.  Don't get me wrong.  I think this is an excellent game, and in my opinion it is probably the best game released in several years.  However, it doesn't have the grind, and harsh death systems of older games.  It is what I could consider a good balance between the freedom of choice the players had in their class in the older game combined with a good questing experience more common in newer games.  It does a good job of making it feel like you aren't on a themepark ride, but it is just a disguise.  You can go outside of it, but it is much easier to go with it.  Like I said I enjoy the game and I think I will be playing it for a long time, but it doesn't have the harsh systems of EQ which would be needed for most people to consider it old school.  It is the game I have been waiting on though.  I haven't enjoyed a game this much since SWG.  
  YoungCaesar

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4/03/14 10:44:56 PM#39
lol ESO is just another themepark with a few sandbox elements sprinkled in there, Mortal Online is closer than to the Elders Scrolls games with the free roaming and stuff than this wannabe wow clone pos...
  Bigdaddyx

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4/03/14 10:45:01 PM#40
Originally posted by Traugar
OP I wouldn't call this old school.  Don't get me wrong.  I think this is an excellent game, and in my opinion it is probably the best game released in several years.  However, it doesn't have the grind, and harsh death systems of older games.  It is what I could consider a good balance between the freedom of choice the players had in their class in the older game combined with a good questing experience more common in newer games.  It does a good job of making it feel like you aren't on a themepark ride, but it is just a disguise.  You can go outside of it, but it is much easier to go with it.  Like I said I enjoy the game and I think I will be playing it for a long time, but it doesn't have the harsh systems of EQ which would be needed for most people to consider it old school.  It is the game I have been waiting on though.  I haven't enjoyed a game this much since SWG.  

Something i can agree with. 

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