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  Toferio

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Joined: 11/26/09
Posts: 1461

4/02/14 9:40:55 AM#21
Originally posted by Zeeraha
Originally posted by Najwalaylah

 


Originally posted by CaptainObviousDiphrael, Leader of Guts, Owner of the Keep. Top 5 Donator of all time. I guess money does get you some privillages.
A very accurate report of the facts that seem to evince this conclusion.

 

You might be guessing wrong, but anyone who guesses as you do can be forgiven for doing so.

The bottom line for me is that Star Vault has done nothing to rectify the situation (which is unfair on its face), and thereby has propagated the idea, true or not, that this is a "boughten privilege" conferred onto one of their donators.

I don't think that's true, but that doubt of mine conveys little benefit in the face of the ongoing uncorrected situation.

Star Vault repeatedly removes discussion of what should be done about the Keep With One Million Extra HP, and this includes any. Even discussion that doesn't contain allegations of cheating or favoritism.

I barf my hands in disgust.

If the accusations hold the truth, why not all other guilds do a boycott by not paying a sub for a few months? This would hurt the SV more than keeping GUTS satisfied with +10M HP on their keep.

Because they lack spine and willpower to put their favorite game away for a month.

  lizardbones

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4/02/14 9:46:21 AM#22
Originally posted by CaptainObvious

I would like to point out that after this thread was posted and the MO community was made aware of what happened there was outrage in the community. 

 

A thread was made on the MO forums with a vote, asking for the community to vote on the situation in an attempt to show the powers what the community wants.

 

Within an hour the decision was obvious. The votes to have the keep reverted back to normal HP FAR outweighed those asking for it to stay at normal hp. After some digging it also showed that the only people voting for it to remain at the hp it was, were members of the owning faction. 

 

This was a simple dicussion and there was no claims of wrong doing or exploitation. The GM and Mod team removed it and replied Discord replied with 'I do not care what anyone says or the opinion of the community. The decision has been made and the keep will remain at that HP'. The thread was then deleted and anyone making more threads were threatened with bans. 

 

This sort of behaviour from the moderation and GM team is killing this game. 

 

Not to beat a dead horse, but it's not like the game is really thriving to begin with.

 

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  Anubisan

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Joined: 1/09/05
Posts: 1835

4/02/14 12:44:10 PM#23
Originally posted by Zeeraha

If the accusations hold the truth, why not all other guilds do a boycott by not paying a sub for a few months? This would hurt the SV more than keeping GUTS satisfied with +10M HP on their keep.

People are definitely upset about it, but most don't consider what happened to be an exploit, so it's not a big enough deal to do anything about. Most people I've talked to also don't consider this to be a case of favoritism by the GMs. GUTS just happened to utilize a legal game mechanic during a brief period where it was possible to do so.

GUTS is also part of a major defensive alliance that controls most of the map, so the majority of the other guilds don't consider them a real enemy and won't take any action against them.

  drakes821

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Joined: 8/03/09
Posts: 530

4/02/14 1:11:55 PM#24
I've been an off and on MO supporter since beta, but it needs to die. The staff just doesn't deserve anyone's money, they are unprofessional and corrupt.
  Slapshot1188

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Joined: 5/06/07
Posts: 4190

4/02/14 1:21:09 PM#25
Originally posted by Anubisan
Originally posted by Zeeraha

If the accusations hold the truth, why not all other guilds do a boycott by not paying a sub for a few months? This would hurt the SV more than keeping GUTS satisfied with +10M HP on their keep.

People are definitely upset about it, but most don't consider what happened to be an exploit, so it's not a big enough deal to do anything about. Most people I've talked to also don't consider this to be a case of favoritism by the GMs. GUTS just happened to exploit a game mechanic during a brief period where it was possible to do so.

GUTS is also part of a major defensive alliance that controls most of the map, so the majority of the other guilds don't consider them a real enemy and won't take any action against them.

You state two different things in the very same paragraph....

 

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  Jacxolope

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Joined: 1/15/13
Posts: 757

4/02/14 1:26:05 PM#26
Originally posted by drakes821
I've been an off and on MO supporter since beta, but it needs to die. The staff just doesn't deserve anyone's money, they are unprofessional and corrupt.

Yeah- But unprofessional and corrupt has been SV's SOP since before day 1.

It isnt going to 'ust die' and nothing will change either. There is a segment of gamers who play this game and continue to pay (and donate ) while either turning a blind eye to the corruption or just really not care. SV knows this and thus why would they ever change?

Its sad but true. Until the Kickstarter fad I would say SV was the shadiest company I have ever seen. People didnt stop paying them then and they wont now. This is spreading across the entire gaming world too- People will even defend their favorite brand as if saying anything they perceive as negative to be a personal attack on someone like their mother.

 

And gaming companies (in this case SV) know this.

  Anubisan

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Joined: 1/09/05
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4/02/14 6:06:21 PM#27
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Anubisan
Originally posted by Zeeraha

If the accusations hold the truth, why not all other guilds do a boycott by not paying a sub for a few months? This would hurt the SV more than keeping GUTS satisfied with +10M HP on their keep.

People are definitely upset about it, but most don't consider what happened to be an exploit, so it's not a big enough deal to do anything about. Most people I've talked to also don't consider this to be a case of favoritism by the GMs. GUTS just happened to exploit a game mechanic during a brief period where it was possible to do so.

GUTS is also part of a major defensive alliance that controls most of the map, so the majority of the other guilds don't consider them a real enemy and won't take any action against them.

You state two different things in the very same paragraph....

I suppose the word I should have used is 'utilize'. I meant to say that it was a legal game mechanic, not a cheat. But thanks for pointing out my mistake. 

I'll edit that post for clarity.

  charlizd

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Joined: 2/07/07
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4/02/14 6:22:58 PM#28

Nothing in the OP supprises me at all, i remember having Discord standing in game with us while we watched Godly speed hack around fabernum near one shotting people after release and he just laughed...literally...nothing was done, nothing was said, so my entire guild pretty much packed up and un-installed the game.

The only real thing that suprises me is that the game is still running at all, great concept...horrible company running it.

  User Deleted
4/02/14 6:38:16 PM#29
I came here expecting the same generic P2W moaning, but this is actually really bad.  The MO dev team makes normal P2W schemes look "Fair and Balanced" by comparison.  MO is just straight up corruption.
  CaptainObvious

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Joined: 11/10/12
Posts: 35

 
OP  4/06/14 10:58:41 PM#30
Originally posted by Anubisan
Originally posted by Zeeraha

If the accusations hold the truth, why not all other guilds do a boycott by not paying a sub for a few months? This would hurt the SV more than keeping GUTS satisfied with +10M HP on their keep.

People are definitely upset about it, but most don't consider what happened to be an exploit, so it's not a big enough deal to do anything about. Most people I've talked to also don't consider this to be a case of favoritism by the GMs. GUTS just happened to utilize a legal game mechanic during a brief period where it was possible to do so.

GUTS is also part of a major defensive alliance that controls most of the map, so the majority of the other guilds don't consider them a real enemy and won't take any action against them.

 

The problem here is that the mechanics to make the keep upto 26 Mil was taken out of the game over a year before the 'Guts' Keep was built. 

 

Add to that 3 previous owners of the keep and keep spot have confirmed that the mechanic was not in game when they built their keeps there. The most recent owner before guts, who SOLD the keep to guts states that the keep was 16 mil hp when it was sold.

 

So... lets look at all possible ways the keep could have gotten to 26 mil hp.

 

1) Guts blew up their own keep, then rebuilt it using 'passive building'.

2) Guts blew up their own keep, then rebuilt it using very high quality materials.

3)A GM amended the Keep hp after it was bought.

 

1 and 2 do not really hold any weight since the mechanics for both have been out of the game for a long time. A year prior to the keep being built they were disposed off. You can put any material you like into a building, the HP will remain the same. (With the exception of blackwood, that gives a little bit more).

 

Which leaves option 3. A GM has amended the Keep hp. Which would make sense why they refuse to fix the problem. 

  Talonsin

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Joined: 7/19/06
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4/09/14 9:25:25 AM#31
To be honest, with this low of a subscriber population, I would imagine the GM and Devs would pretty much give any group of paying customers some bonuses.  Based on actual facts from the financial statements, less than 3000 paying accounts exist and many of those are alt accounts which means about 2000 actual paying customers.  If I was running the company and it had 6-figure losses every quarter since release and my company already had a reputation for corruption as SV has, I would be giving some favors to my few paying customers too.
  Loktofeit

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4/09/14 9:29:15 AM#32
Originally posted by udon
I don't play the game but if the whole server is in outrage why not just gang up and burn the keep the ground?

I couldn't find any threads on the MO forum about this. 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Loktofeit

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4/09/14 9:31:23 AM#33
Originally posted by Anubisan

People are definitely upset about it, but most don't consider what happened to be an exploit, so it's not a big enough deal to do anything about. Most people I've talked to also don't consider this to be a case of favoritism by the GMs. GUTS just happened to utilize a legal game mechanic during a brief period where it was possible to do so.

GUTS is also part of a major defensive alliance that controls most of the map, so the majority of the other guilds don't consider them a real enemy and won't take any action against them.

That was my take on it, as well. 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Toferio

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Joined: 11/26/09
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4/10/14 5:30:02 AM#34
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by udon
I don't play the game but if the whole server is in outrage why not just gang up and burn the keep the ground?

I couldn't find any threads on the MO forum about this. 

Probably because GMs delete all threads?

  CaptainObvious

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Joined: 11/10/12
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OP  4/10/14 6:35:10 AM#35

As I have stated already and you have obviously decided not to read. There is no 'legitimate' way to make the keep have 10 million more hp than any other. The mechanics that made it possible were removed a YEAR before this keep was built.

 

There are no posts about it on the MO forums because they are removed instantly by GM's. Even Posts that just discuss it but do not suggest any foul play are instantly removed and the posters threatened with forum and IN GAME bans. If you inquire about it in game you are told to drop it 'or else' and if you mention it on the public IRC you are removed instantly and permanently. 

 

There is a complete black out on the subject, As with any other shady thing Discord and the other GM's do. 

  Jacxolope

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4/11/14 4:48:22 AM#36
Originally posted by CaptainObvious

As I have stated already and you have obviously decided not to read. There is no 'legitimate' way to make the keep have 10 million more hp than any other. The mechanics that made it possible were removed a YEAR before this keep was built.

 

There are no posts about it on the MO forums because they are removed instantly by GM's. Even Posts that just discuss it but do not suggest any foul play are instantly removed and the posters threatened with forum and IN GAME bans. If you inquire about it in game you are told to drop it 'or else' and if you mention it on the public IRC you are removed instantly and permanently. 

 

There is a complete black out on the subject, As with any other shady thing Discord and the other GM's do. 

If what you say is true (and I suspect it is) I assume you cancelled you sub?

If the situation was mine to deal with and I was told "drop it or else" and threatened with an in game ban- I would say "Okay" and cancel immediatley. YOU have the power. Vote with your wallet.

Many of us quit LONG ago due to SV's shadiness. 

They have drawn a line in the sand- Oddly, THEY need you far more than you need them. The second they decided to draw an imaginary line and threaten with bans and such=- You either call the bluff or put your head in the sand.

Complaining about MO/SV and their lies and shady practices is a pointless endeavor. The ONLY thing you can do is cut off the cash flow YOU are giving to them.

No offence to you- BUT, if you are still paying them after all the time and history of deception, cheating and just all around fuckery- You will most likely continue to pay them no matter what... And they know this. They are banking on this- Why treat you with respect? Why worry about pissing you off? Your credit card payment keeps coming like clockwork.

 

I have never seen Stockholm Syndrome in gaming until SV gave us MO. 

 

EDIT- The general answer to the above is "But...There are no other games I WANT to play. As bad as MO is its still the best out there"- Then grin and bear it. The cheating, deception and lies will continue as they have and always have- Its been part of the game since day 1- It isnt changing and it will not.

 

GMs cheating and SV lying is just a part of the game you have chosen to play (and pay for)

  psykobilly

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4/12/14 4:04:59 PM#37
Originally posted by Jacxolope

GMs cheating and SV lying is just a part of the game you have chosen to play (and pay for)

This thread is made even funnier, because AQ back in the day built a keep using the auto-build to get over 20something mil HP back when it was in game.  The GM's later actually LOWERED the amount of HP down to the maximum legal amount.  So there is a precedent for lowering the keep HP to the accepted level.  The fact they aren't doing it is just more shady dealings to keep every sub they have.  If the GM's had any honor they would lower the keep HP to the legal limit like they did before.

To this all I can say is... Life is Feudal.

 

 

 

  Magos1985

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4/14/14 3:56:49 PM#38
OP is just referring to a bug that has to do with buildings at the moment. The devs/gm's cant do anything about it until the system gets remade with tc revamp patch. Anyone that owns a keep can do this and theres nothing gm's can really do about it for now. But please continue the propaganda train OP. Its sickening ppl like u flame a game so hard that u paid for and play for like 4 years. Why not have some respect for something u invested 4 years of ur life on.
  Dakeru

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4/14/14 4:12:53 PM#39
Originally posted by Magos1985
OP is just referring to a bug that has to do with buildings at the moment. The devs/gm's cant do anything about it until the system gets remade with tc revamp patch. Anyone that owns a keep can do this and theres nothing gm's can really do about it for now. But please continue the propaganda train OP. Its sickening ppl like u flame a game so hard that u paid for and play for like 4 years. Why not have some respect for something u invested 4 years of ur life on.

Yeah the game is  well known for bugs and GM corruption but of course we will believe you instead since you only just made your account here to tell us the truth.

  Magos1985

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4/14/14 4:46:32 PM#40
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by Magos1985
OP is just referring to a bug that has to do with buildings at the moment. The devs/gm's cant do anything about it until the system gets remade with tc revamp patch. Anyone that owns a keep can do this and theres nothing gm's can really do about it for now. But please continue the propaganda train OP. Its sickening ppl like u flame a game so hard that u paid for and play for like 4 years. Why not have some respect for something u invested 4 years of ur life on.

Yeah the game is  well known for bugs and GM corruption but of course we will believe you instead since you only just made your account here to tell us the truth.

 

well known by who? people with first hand knowledge of it? Not really... U ppl gotta understand situations come up in MO that have to b handled case by case since there has never been an mmo like it with some of the systems being very unique. So ya gm's are forced to make judgement calls. Personally I'm not much of a concpiracy guy...maybe u r and thats cool. But I played the game a long time, had a lot of encounters with bugs and gm's, and for me its just black and white stuff...one side will get their way and the other will call cheats/corruption etc.
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