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  Agent_Joseph

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/11/06
Posts: 888

3/27/14 9:43:51 AM#61
Originally posted by Mr.SeriousGuy
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

and at end blame game for players stupidity & naive

you should to know EVE is different MMORPG

its "spread sheet the game" meets "point and click targeting and moving" . .. whats not to love ... other than everything

that  "spread sheet the game" meets "point and click targeting and moving"  is an live universe ,combat is boring but anyway EVE is best mmo on market... and have something deep in yourself.After EVE other mmo are empty & sterile scripted worlds.

It is game what I can't never leave ,I 'll back anytime after  break.

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Spawnblade

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Joined: 2/02/05
Posts: 196

3/27/14 10:03:09 AM#62
Originally posted by ButeoRegalis

I'm not entirely sure this is limited to EVE. I don't see anything in here that couldn't happen in any other game, mostly because the worst of the stuff happens OUTSIDE the game.

That aside, I thought EVE's pride and joy comes from its sandbox nature, and IRL despicable acts like theft and treachery are wildly applauded in game? If you create a system without bounds and limits how could you possibly be surprised and abhorred by this behavior?

Have you never been to high school??

Theft is one thing.  *Playing* the bad guy and scamming people for personal gain is fine in Eve.

 

But after listening to that conversation, it's quite clear he's taking this WAY out of character.  This is not about *playing* an evil character that tricks and steals.  He's taking this guy to an out of game chat to avoid EULA/TOS, and then humiliating him/etc for his own entertainment.  Taking in game assets, again, is one thing.  Humiliating someone and then publishing it for the world?

 

Mind you, I'm pretty sure that publishing a recording of someone without their permission is grounds for legal action in the USA.  That should mean it's grounds for banning in Eve.

  Makidian

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/28/13
Posts: 204

3/27/14 10:11:32 AM#63
Thieves are everywhere and I can't feel bad for someone to be that foolish to fall for a scam like that. The humiliation part however is wrong, even though the victim could have ended it at anytime.
  Caldicot

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Joined: 7/10/07
Posts: 395

Hobbes was right, Rousseau was wrong.

3/27/14 11:01:46 AM#64
Originally posted by Kyleran

I shocked, incensed, appalled, mortified and shamed by the behavior of this scammer and his followers as representatives of the human race. We should all be ashamed.

But I'm not.  The scammer no more represents the EVE community than I do, we're all just members of a fairly open virtual world and just like in real life, I've observed great good as well as great evil.

Make no mistake, EVE is not "just a game", it really is a virtual world where CCP does it's best to keep their hands off of what the player base does.  There are benefits and costs from this policy, and they are not always easy to bear.

As for this incident, reprehensible for sure,but if CCP steps in to stop it, where does their jurisdiction end?  Do they stop at this one isk doubling scam?  Or do they go after all isk doubling scams?  What are the limits and boundries?  How much pain, loss etc does the victim have to suffer to make it worthy of an intervention?

What sort of scams qualify?  I accidently bought a mispriced Badger II that should have cost 675K ISk and I ended up paying 675M Isk?  Should I be compensated?  Should the scammer be punished?  When does the punishment end? 

You take the good with the bad.  What happened to this person is not right, but then much of what happens in life isn't right, you learn to deal with it, protect you and your loved ones from it, and at the end of day, life goes on. (even in RL< as well as EVE)

Sure, go ahead and appeal to CCP to take action, that's everyone's right, but don't be surprised if they decide to stay hands off, and while that might be a reflection on their character, it has nothing to really do with the overall EVE "community" as a whole either.

 

Kyleran, I usually agree with your posts but here I think you are way off track.

Let's compare this with a game of poker. Since bluffing, by consesus, is a part of poker I won't hold somone who pulls a bluff on me morally responsible for decieving me. It's part of the game, lesson learned, GG and move on. (This is like the badger scam you fell for).

However, if the bluffer through psychological manipulation convinced me to alter the rules just slightly while offering a hefty price if I play along and then used that against me in a series of humiliating events on the verge of torture, that would, if not breaking any laws, be in a totally different league from a moral perspective.

The view you are representing is called moral absolutism and it can be dangerous. If you can't see the difference in scale between these two cases you should do some studies of moral philosophy and how moral absolutism has lead people astray in the past.

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. - Carl Sagan

  Akerbeltz

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/12/13
Posts: 151

3/27/14 11:05:41 AM#65

What I see here, without the trifle and the cheap drama:

 

- The article is a sensationalist piece of BS.

- Sohkar, the alleged victim,  had used Erotica 1's services in the past, and the latter did effectively double the former's ISK investments.

- Sohkar was invited to the Bonus Round as a reward of the 100th client cycle of Erotica 1. Sohkar saw this as a unique opportunity and accepted. Sohkar's initial motivation is greed.

- Erotica 1 and his thugs told Sohkar to firstly pass them his assets, to which the latter consented. 

- Erotica 1 and his thugs told Sohkar to read stuff and sing songs. Sohkar read stuff and sang songs.

- Sohkar snapped and went into a festival of obscenities, racial slurs, slams on the table and real-life threats. He even ignored his own wife when she broke in. The thing that most disturbs me is that Sohkar is a psychopathic racist and that he loses control of himself over losing virtual money in a videogame.

 

Sincerely, the immature and prude attitude and the hyperbole shown by some here is quite eloquent of why we don't get cool stuff in this genre. Looks like some people instead of dealing with the fact that actions bring consequences, prefer to limit the area of action to let others take decisions for them. They are no better than the rednecks from the Bible Belt burning Beatles' records on a bonfire.

 

Yeah, you make mistakes in real life, playing poker, or playing EVE. You run into bastards and scammers in real, playing poker or playing EVE. Some are smarter than other, some learn to be smarter. Deal with it, learn and grow up.

 

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

  CazNeerg

Novice Member

Joined: 8/06/04
Posts: 2220

"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

3/27/14 11:16:11 AM#66
Originally posted by Volenibblets

Eve replicates the Stanford Prison Experiment in an MMORPG format. They've taken a virtual world with no real consequences and they've provided a blank slate and all the conditions (and incentives) necessary for people to act like sadists, sociopaths or just plain dicks if they choose...and guess what happens?

This.  EvE is not a true "virtual world," no MMO is, because worlds include civilization. They include governments which make rules, and prisons into which they can place people who violate those rules.  If a game doesn't give you the necessary tools to simulate civilization, only the tools to simulate gang warfare, then it can't claim to be a virtual world.  EvE reminds me of a terrible movie, "The Purge" - in it the US has one night every year where all laws are suspended, and you can't be prosecuted for anything you do.  EvE is permanently set in the night of the Purge.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  Hokie

Elite Member

Joined: 1/11/04
Posts: 1048

Hey Devs, just so you know. The more you give us to play with, the more we play.

3/27/14 12:07:23 PM#67

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Still listening, but. Im not feeling sympathetic.

Its one thing to fall for a scam. I fell to the very 1st one, the Battleship BP pyramid scam. And even then I thought the risk, about 20% of my net assets, was worth the chance. Ha, was I wrong.

But never would I have given all or almost all of everything I had in game. And I freely admit I was stupid to even give 20%.

 

 

 

 

Now what they should have done is set-up this up as a double grift.

 

And wtf is he reading, its hilarious. "When a miner gets ganked, they should always show respect to the suicide ganker and congratulate them on a good fight in local."

 

Edit- You what this reminds me of... Super Safespot Buster 2000 v2.3

Like others said, he figured it out 45 mins in. He should have just said "ha ha funny guys, fuck you" and took it as a lesson learned. He was almost masochistic because he continued to let them abuse him.

 

 

"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  lizardbones

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Joined: 6/11/08
Posts: 10635

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3/27/14 12:43:49 PM#68
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by Volenibblets

Eve replicates the Stanford Prison Experiment in an MMORPG format. They've taken a virtual world with no real consequences and they've provided a blank slate and all the conditions (and incentives) necessary for people to act like sadists, sociopaths or just plain dicks if they choose...and guess what happens?

This.  EvE is not a true "virtual world," no MMO is, because worlds include civilization. They include governments which make rules, and prisons into which they can place people who violate those rules.  If a game doesn't give you the necessary tools to simulate civilization, only the tools to simulate gang warfare, then it can't claim to be a virtual world.  EvE reminds me of a terrible movie, "The Purge" - in it the US has one night every year where all laws are suspended, and you can't be prosecuted for anything you do.  EvE is permanently set in the night of the Purge.

 

Except it's not.  It's really, really not like that experiment.  The experiment did not provide a blank slate, it provided a very clear script for the actors that spiraled out of control very quickly.  Every person involved in the experiment fell victim to the environment and roles they were asked to play.

 

A little known fact about the experiment that I've learned recently is that the participants were not all selected randomly.  Many were selected by responding to an ad that specifically mentioned the environment being a prison.  Half the people who responded were looking to be involved in a prison experiment, not an experiment.  The experiment may have turned out differently had the participants been selected randomly.  Or not.  We won't know because there are things like Institutional Review Boards that keep us from doing experiments like this.

 

Here's the ad:

 

Eve has been running for years, with tens of thousands of people online every day.  That some small percentage of them are complete and total d!cks should not surprise anyone.  Pick any group of fifty thousand people, put them all online at the same time and some small percentage of them are going to be d!cks relative to the rest of the group.  Put fifty thousand vow of silence monks in retreat and some small percentage of those monks are going to try and make the other monks talk.  Some people just aren't able to leave things alone.

 

If there's a finger to point here, it's squarely at the people involved, who did this outside of the game.  Because if they did it inside the game using game chat resources, they would have been sanctioned, and they know it.  Not for the theft, for the harassment.

 

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Bigdaddyx

Elite Member

Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 1590

3/27/14 12:50:54 PM#69
Originally posted by Yamota

http://evenews24.com/2014/03/25/jesters-trek-the-bonus-round/

You be the judge...

EDIT: Personally I think the persons committing this act should have their knee caps broken. Or maybe their wrists, so they cant use a computer. It is just plain sickening.

But..but we know for a fact that P2P MMOS have best communities with little angels running everywhere..or thats what i have been told time and again. 

  CazNeerg

Novice Member

Joined: 8/06/04
Posts: 2220

"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

3/27/14 12:57:03 PM#70
Originally posted by lizardbones 

Except it's not.  It's really, really not like that experiment.  The experiment did not provide a blank slate, it provided a very clear script for the actors that spiraled out of control very quickly.  Every person involved in the experiment fell victim to the environment and roles they were asked to play. 

A little known fact about the experiment that I've learned recently is that the participants were not all selected randomly.  Many were selected by responding to an ad that specifically mentioned the environment being a prison.  Half the people who responded were looking to be involved in a prison experiment, not an experiment.  The experiment may have turned out differently had the participants been selected randomly.  Or not.  We won't know because there are things like Institutional Review Boards that keep us from doing experiments like this.

Eve has been running for years, with tens of thousands of people online every day.  That some small percentage of them are complete and total d!cks should not surprise anyone.  Pick any group of fifty thousand people, put them all online at the same time and some small percentage of them are going to be d!cks relative to the rest of the group.  Put fifty thousand vow of silence monks in retreat and some small percentage of those monks are going to try and make the other monks talk.  Some people just aren't able to leave things alone.

 If there's a finger to point here, it's squarely at the people involved, who did this outside of the game.  Because if they did it inside the game using game chat resources, they would have been sanctioned, and they know it.  Not for the theft, for the harassment. 

Obviously it's not exactly like that experiment, but it encourages the internet equivalent of the type of behavior that experiment led to.  The issue, to me (I really don't care about the particular people involved in the example from this thread) is that MMOs like EvE have a tendency to give people who want to embrace sociopathic or psychopathic behavior all of the tools they need to do so, while rarely providing any of the necessary tools that would allow the rest of the community to effectively punish or deter such behavior.  

Frankly, MMOs that purport to offer "virtual worlds" need to include virtual prisons, or the means for players to create virtual prisons, and they need to have virtual bounties that pay for "live" capture, so that players have incentives both to behave well and to hunt down and punish those who behave poorly.  Until players have the necessary tools to simulate actual civilization, all we are getting is anarchy simulators, not virtual worlds.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  Hulluck

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Joined: 1/19/13
Posts: 447

3/27/14 1:18:24 PM#71
Originally posted by Hokie

...

Still listening, but. Im not feeling sympathetic.

Its one thing to fall for a scam. I fell to the very 1st one, the Battleship BP pyramid scam. And even then I thought the risk, about 20% of my net assets, was worth the chance. Ha, was I wrong.

But never would I have given all or almost all of everything I had in game. And I freely admit I was stupid to even give 20%.

 

 

 

 

Now what they should have done is set-up this up as a double grift.

 

And wtf is he reading, its hilarious. "When a miner gets ganked, they should always show respect to the suicide ganker and congratulate them on a good fight in local."

 

Edit- You what this reminds me of... Super Safespot Buster 2000 v2.3

Like others said, he figured it out 45 mins in. He should have just said "ha ha funny guys, fuck you" and took it as a lesson learned. He was almost masochistic because he continued to let them abuse him.

 

 

Bingo! He should have. However. He was emotionally attached and didn't. Or as someone  else said a little better his emotions compromised his judgement and Erotica 1 takes full advantage of this. It's the whole intent of the bonus round.  It's very subtle and twisted. 

"Well it's just pixels" Everyone places a different value on things in our lives. If I got someone in the position that Sohkar is in where his emotions compromise his judgement and I break him. They then do something stupid. Does that not make me partly at fault? It gets a bit dark and hard to listen to but is slow up until it happens. When he finally snaps they still have him hooked and could have dragged this on for hours if they wanted!

Don't think all of the Eve community should be punished for this but my opinion is this went way to far. Don't know what CCP should do if anything. If one got punished both definitely should.

  Sk1ppeR

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3/27/14 1:23:38 PM#72
Originally posted by Uhwop

Because obviously one guy is representative of an entire community. 

But maybe you're right.  I met a lot of not so bright guys while playing EVE, some even willing to just hand over large amounts of ISK to get into a corporation that everyone knows doesn't recruit from in game. 

This guy was willing to hand over literally everything he owned thinking that someone would quadruple his worth. 

It's not really fair to imply that everyone playing EVE is dumb, and greedy enough, to hand over everything they own to a stranger in an obvious scam. 

Nor do I think "breaking his kneecaps" is the way to teach him to be smarter. 

I wish it was only that guy....but in reality the majority of EVE players would do the exact same thing upon such "victim". If you are outside someone's corporation you are automatically treated as an enemy until proven otherwise. Are all the people on the street in RL your enemies? 

  Bigdaddyx

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3/27/14 1:27:03 PM#73
Originally posted by Teala

Why is everyone coming down on this...this is EVE, it's a part of it.   What I don't understand is just how someone could be so naive when it is said repeatedly over an over again in local chat in Jita and all the other main trade hubs - don't fall for scams!  Anyone that actually thinks that someone is just going to double your ISK - because they say they will...don't play EVE - you're the reason things like this happen - you're gullible and lack good judgment.   The guy that fell for this scam I do not feel sorry for one bit.   It's like people that believe in God and hand over cash to churches - it's a scam.   If the God of a church is so powerful, what does a church or religion have need of money for - why doesn't your God just provide for it's needs - he is suppose to be all mighty and powerful - or are you not capable of good judgement to understand this - hmmmm?  

Oh and don't try to tell me I'm just as bad as the scammers that did this because I don't feel sorry for this guy...that guy at one point actually knew he had been scammed and yet "he allowed" them to continue on.   All he had to do was stop.   So more than once this person showed bad judgement.   In fact he did it 4 times.   So no, I don't feel bad for this person.   And his language toward the end of the sound clip...that is inexcusable. 

I believe in this world people like the 'victim' who suffer from some kind of disabilities should be protected by good people. These kind of things happen because we humans turn the other way around and not give a shit.

And i am sorry to say but you don't seem like a good person, the guy has speech impedment...suffers from severe PTSD and is mentally unstable because of his two tours to IRAQ and you are giving me this nonsense that 'he deserved it'?

I guess all people who have some kind of physical and mental disorders deserved to be scammed and humiliated then right?

What BS Teala..what a load of BS!

  Sk1ppeR

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3/27/14 1:30:30 PM#74
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala

Why is everyone coming down on this...this is EVE, it's a part of it.   What I don't understand is just how someone could be so naive when it is said repeatedly over an over again in local chat in Jita and all the other main trade hubs - don't fall for scams!  Anyone that actually thinks that someone is just going to double your ISK - because they say they will...don't play EVE - you're the reason things like this happen - you're gullible and lack good judgment.   The guy that fell for this scam I do not feel sorry for one bit.   It's like people that believe in God and hand over cash to churches - it's a scam.   If the God of a church is so powerful, what does a church or religion have need of money for - why doesn't your God just provide for it's needs - he is suppose to be all mighty and powerful - or are you not capable of good judgement to understand this - hmmmm?  

Oh and don't try to tell me I'm just as bad as the scammers that did this because I don't feel sorry for this guy...that guy at one point actually knew he had been scammed and yet "he allowed" them to continue on.   All he had to do was stop.   So more than once this person showed bad judgement.   In fact he did it 4 times.   So no, I don't feel bad for this person.   And his language toward the end of the sound clip...that is inexcusable. 

I believe in this world people like the 'victim' who suffer from some kind of disabilities should be protected by good people. These kind of things happen because we humans turn the other way around and not give a shit.

And i am sorry to say but you don't seem like a good person, the guy has speech impedment...suffers from severe PTSD and is mentally unstable because of his two tours to IRAQ and you are giving me this nonsense that 'he deserved it'?

I guess all people who have some kind of physical and mental disorders deserved to be scammed and humiliated then right?

What BS Teala..what a load of BS!

Even though I completely agree with you, there is no way for the "good guys" to do anything about it. What can you go to E1's spacedock and attack him without getting a 100 of his goon friends? Or you would go to the in-game police and ask for help, cuz unless you are podded in high sec, the in-game police doesn't give a shit. 

IMO EVE is a game that puts a show of the worst of humanity. No laws, no rules, "user-driven sandbox" ... bullshit. If you set a bounty high enough he'll just let his buddies destroy some rookie ship to collect the bounty. The game is full of shit

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3/27/14 1:30:51 PM#75
Originally posted by taus01
Originally posted by Yamota

http://evenews24.com/2014/03/25/jesters-trek-the-bonus-round/

You be the judge...

EDIT: Personally I think the persons committing this act should have their knee caps broken. Or maybe their wrists, so they cant use a computer. It is just plain sickening.

Reason i stopped playing EvE is because it attracts a very special type of bottom feeders and scum.

The worst part of it is that CCP is not doing anything with the excuse that it's within the games rules. These people know very well that they can get away with anything and CCP does nothing about it. It's sad and CCP enables these people.

Sad, because the game is pretty fun.

It's the same reason I quit playing ages ago. It takes a special kind of person to be a member of the EvE community, and I don't mean that as a compliment. To be honest, this kind of stuff out of EvE doesn't even surprise me anymore. You think WoW has a bad community? Heh.

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  bigbudz

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3/27/14 1:32:34 PM#76
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
Originally posted by Uhwop

Because obviously one guy is representative of an entire community. 

But maybe you're right.  I met a lot of not so bright guys while playing EVE, some even willing to just hand over large amounts of ISK to get into a corporation that everyone knows doesn't recruit from in game. 

This guy was willing to hand over literally everything he owned thinking that someone would quadruple his worth. 

It's not really fair to imply that everyone playing EVE is dumb, and greedy enough, to hand over everything they own to a stranger in an obvious scam. 

Nor do I think "breaking his kneecaps" is the way to teach him to be smarter. 

I wish it was only that guy....but in reality the majority of EVE players would do the exact same thing upon such "victim". If you are outside someone's corporation you are automatically treated as an enemy until proven otherwise. Are all the people on the street in RL your enemies? 

Yes until proven otherwise

 

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  Velocinox

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3/27/14 1:32:59 PM#77

The most replies I've seen to the OP is that all community based games have something similar. The despicable types that prey on people that some can point to and say they deserve that because they are stupid, and it helps them bolster their own egos because they feel they are superior and would never be that stupid.

 

So the replies to the OP perform two functions.

  1. Excuse the behavior and exonerate the entertainment the player identifies with. IOW: "I like it so it can't be bad".
  2. Validates their ego by identifying people that they can classify as being inferior. Which allows them to confirm to themselves that they are in turn not inferior.
 
One of the many problems with the excusing of this behavior I would like to point out is that if other communities have this level of anti-social behavior why then do we not see this level of 'game show of humiliation' in WoW or any other MMO? Where are the podcasts of people torturing others?
 
No, this is a symptom of the attitude of the game managers and the expectations that have grown up around EVE, expectations that laud anti-social behavior. It is the acceptance of, 'That's just how EVE works, It's not bad'. That acceptance breeds further pressing of the boundaries of expected social behavior. This podcast is an evolution of allowing anti-social behavior to not just occur, but be celebrated.

 

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  Sk1ppeR

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3/27/14 1:37:45 PM#78
Originally posted by bigbudz
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
Originally posted by Uhwop

Because obviously one guy is representative of an entire community. 

But maybe you're right.  I met a lot of not so bright guys while playing EVE, some even willing to just hand over large amounts of ISK to get into a corporation that everyone knows doesn't recruit from in game. 

This guy was willing to hand over literally everything he owned thinking that someone would quadruple his worth. 

It's not really fair to imply that everyone playing EVE is dumb, and greedy enough, to hand over everything they own to a stranger in an obvious scam. 

Nor do I think "breaking his kneecaps" is the way to teach him to be smarter. 

I wish it was only that guy....but in reality the majority of EVE players would do the exact same thing upon such "victim". If you are outside someone's corporation you are automatically treated as an enemy until proven otherwise. Are all the people on the street in RL your enemies? 

Yes until proven otherwise

 

I take it you haven't been to Jita recently. And do you mean to tell me that all strangers in the nearby coffee you go to are your enemies? Or that you wouldn't ask them for the time and/or directions if you needed some? You EVE players really are special kind of cookies aren't you

  Bigdaddyx

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3/27/14 1:37:57 PM#79
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Teala

Why is everyone coming down on this...this is EVE, it's a part of it.   What I don't understand is just how someone could be so naive when it is said repeatedly over an over again in local chat in Jita and all the other main trade hubs - don't fall for scams!  Anyone that actually thinks that someone is just going to double your ISK - because they say they will...don't play EVE - you're the reason things like this happen - you're gullible and lack good judgment.   The guy that fell for this scam I do not feel sorry for one bit.   It's like people that believe in God and hand over cash to churches - it's a scam.   If the God of a church is so powerful, what does a church or religion have need of money for - why doesn't your God just provide for it's needs - he is suppose to be all mighty and powerful - or are you not capable of good judgement to understand this - hmmmm?  

Oh and don't try to tell me I'm just as bad as the scammers that did this because I don't feel sorry for this guy...that guy at one point actually knew he had been scammed and yet "he allowed" them to continue on.   All he had to do was stop.   So more than once this person showed bad judgement.   In fact he did it 4 times.   So no, I don't feel bad for this person.   And his language toward the end of the sound clip...that is inexcusable. 

I believe in this world people like the 'victim' who suffer from some kind of disabilities should be protected by good people. These kind of things happen because we humans turn the other way around and not give a shit.

And i am sorry to say but you don't seem like a good person, the guy has speech impedment...suffers from severe PTSD and is mentally unstable because of his two tours to IRAQ and you are giving me this nonsense that 'he deserved it'?

I guess all people who have some kind of physical and mental disorders deserved to be scammed and humiliated then right?

What BS Teala..what a load of BS!

Even though I completely agree with you, there is no way for the "good guys" to do anything about it. What can you go to E1's spacedock and attack him without getting a 100 of his goon friends? Or you would go to the in-game police and ask for help, cuz unless you are podded in high sec, the in-game police doesn't give a shit. 

IMO EVE is a game that puts a show of the worst of humanity. No laws, no rules, "user-driven sandbox" ... bullshit. If you set a bounty high enough he'll just let his buddies destroy some rookie ship to collect the bounty. The game is full of shit

The least i can do is show some sympathy and even if i am humanly incapable of doing that atleast i won't say stuff like 'he deserves it'.

Whatever happened to  basic human descency ffs?  the guy suffers from PTSD and obviously had a lot of mental baggage after 2 tours to to IRAQ and they are making him sing songs and laughing at him. 

People like him needs lot of support and don't 'deserve it'. Anyone who prey on people with mental disorders and take advantage of them is lowest of the lowest scums on this planet.

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3/27/14 1:49:44 PM#80
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by lizardbones 

Except it's not.  It's really, really not like that experiment.  The experiment did not provide a blank slate, it provided a very clear script for the actors that spiraled out of control very quickly.  Every person involved in the experiment fell victim to the environment and roles they were asked to play. 

A little known fact about the experiment that I've learned recently is that the participants were not all selected randomly.  Many were selected by responding to an ad that specifically mentioned the environment being a prison.  Half the people who responded were looking to be involved in a prison experiment, not an experiment.  The experiment may have turned out differently had the participants been selected randomly.  Or not.  We won't know because there are things like Institutional Review Boards that keep us from doing experiments like this.

Eve has been running for years, with tens of thousands of people online every day.  That some small percentage of them are complete and total d!cks should not surprise anyone.  Pick any group of fifty thousand people, put them all online at the same time and some small percentage of them are going to be d!cks relative to the rest of the group.  Put fifty thousand vow of silence monks in retreat and some small percentage of those monks are going to try and make the other monks talk.  Some people just aren't able to leave things alone.

 If there's a finger to point here, it's squarely at the people involved, who did this outside of the game.  Because if they did it inside the game using game chat resources, they would have been sanctioned, and they know it.  Not for the theft, for the harassment. 

Obviously it's not exactly like that experiment, but it encourages the internet equivalent of the type of behavior that experiment led to.  The issue, to me (I really don't care about the particular people involved in the example from this thread) is that MMOs like EvE have a tendency to give people who want to embrace sociopathic or psychopathic behavior all of the tools they need to do so, while rarely providing any of the necessary tools that would allow the rest of the community to effectively punish or deter such behavior.  

Frankly, MMOs that purport to offer "virtual worlds" need to include virtual prisons, or the means for players to create virtual prisons, and they need to have virtual bounties that pay for "live" capture, so that players have incentives both to behave well and to hunt down and punish those who behave poorly.  Until players have the necessary tools to simulate actual civilization, all we are getting is anarchy simulators, not virtual worlds.

 

Um.  Yeah.  Did you not see the results of the Stanford Prison Experiment?  How would creating such an environment within the confines of the game world in any way improve the behavior of the people sent there?

 

There was a prison riot, "prisoners" were made to stand naked for hours, "guards" worked out psychological torture to control "prisoners" by taking away their mattresses and forcing them to sleep on the concrete floor and one "prisoner" had a mental breakdown.  The experiment was shut down after only six days.  Eve Online seems to be a far cry from the kind of bedlam exhibited in the prison experiment.  Eve actually seems pretty controlled, with most players not even engaging in PvP, much less psychopathic behavior.

 

It would be possible to argue that Eve Online, like any environment that humans interact in affects their behavior.  At the same time, when players are not logged into the game, the environment they are operating in, the real world, also affects their behavior.  Humans are perfectly capable of moving between different environments that have different sets of rules.  They do it all the time when moving between home, work, shopping centers and movie theaters.  The people who deviate from accepted norms are small in number relative to the general population, and this seems to be the case with Eve too.

 

Are people more likely to play the role of a Troll or Psychopath when playing Eve than when online in general?  What is the likelihood of an Eve player exhibiting Troll or Psychopath behavior relative to incidents of such behavior in the real world?  I don't know.  Neither do you, since you don't interact with all the tens of thousands of people who play Eve every day.  It doesn't seem impossible, but this one incident doesn't prove anything other than some people really shouldn't be allowed to interact with other people without supervision.

 

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Just to be clear, I'm not defending the behavior shown.  I feel like "something should be done" too.  I just think the issue has more to do with the people involved, not the players involved, if that makes sense.  If there is a punishment, it needs to be something outside the game, not inside the game.  Restrict the accounts or something.  Don't add more game play unless your goal is to get more people involved in the game.  Which isn't a bad idea, but it's a different discussion.  Improving behavior should involve something outside of the game play as well, again, unless the goal is to get more people involved in the game or the game play.  For instance, player councils, player "colleges", etc. 

 

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