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The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » Can we stop claiming 12 million WoW subs can't be wrong?

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OP  3/24/14 5:49:19 AM#21
Originally posted by StonesDK

Taste in games can't be wrong can it? If 8 or 12 million people like a game, how can they be wrong?


12 million people can't tell you if something is good for you, that should be a no brainer by now.

Well you'd think so but it isn't a no brainer for some. Even after I took the time to write about it and some other people added to it it wasn't even a no brainer for everyone in this thread. Granted I'm a crappy writer but still, it isn't rocket science.


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3/24/14 5:52:09 AM#22

I wonder how many sub wow have now since 8 millions was old data now.

And i more interest in the number sub of WOW between NA and China


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3/24/14 5:56:37 AM#23
Who cares lol. If you like it play it if you don't then don't play it.

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OP  3/24/14 5:59:36 AM#24
Originally posted by OhhPaigey
Who cares lol. If you like it play it if you don't then don't play it.

I wish I could report such post. No one is forcing you to read this if you don't care. If you don't care than don't post. I care about the quality of conversation and so I post. I'm not trying to persuade anyone that WoW is a bad game.


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3/24/14 7:27:23 AM#25

Interest and try to search info about wow subs and i can't dig out much.

And a lots question about true number of subs.

For example in Chinese version , player buy game (key/code) and get 66h to play and it count as one subs,

if the player drop before use up 66h then how long they not count as subs .

And how many of that kind of subs in 12 mil (now is 8 mil) .


I think the right number of subs of WOW are NA + NA/2 (true chinese number of subs) Or even just the number of NA subs are true number.


And if you use the logic "large number can't be wrong"

China have 100 millions MMOs players and let say half of the subs of WOW at it gold are 6 millions come from china then how can 94 millions wrong when 6 million right .


....ummmmm ... i think i need more info , hope someone willing to share , i can't dig more that just the number that everyone ready known.


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3/24/14 7:33:09 AM#26

o god, again?  If you're not a wow player why bother  whining about subs on a game u dont play?

and if you are, why are u whining that so many people still play?

even if they had 20 million or 4million players subbing, guess what? it doesn't matter, at all.

I still dont get why people get all up in someone's face when they're talking about game subs and longlivety about games.

same with TESO - 6months and FTP, that's what i see all around the forum, but guess what? None of the subs games have will affect ANY of u.

( and if u play i dont see the pointing in stating SUBS about the game u play, it's not like u are praying to jesus on a sunday afternoon in church )


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3/24/14 7:51:19 AM#27

Oh god, not this topic again...  It just keeps on coming, year after year, nothing new to say, no consensus ever reached.  Eventually it dies and, sadly but inevitably, someone else flogs the dead equine as if they've had some stunning epiphany they just have to share.

Go on!!  Flog that dead equine - give it some real stick!!


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3/24/14 7:59:19 AM#28
Originally posted by Erinak1
Fine, 8 million wow subs can't be wrong. It's still many times more then any other western mmo. 

It has also localized in:

English (USA)

Português (Brazilian)

Español (Mexican Spanish)

English (Oceanic)

English (EU)

Français (French)

Deutsch (German)

Italiano (Italian)

Português (Portuguese)

Español (Spanish)

??????? (Russian)

Simplified Chinese (Mainland China)


Traditional Chinese (Taiwan)


So no wonder it has more players than any other AAA MMO.


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3/24/14 8:01:17 AM#29

Right and wrong are subjective opinions and not facts.


At the time 12 million players thought it was right.  People's views and opinions have changed, that's why there's only 8 million or whatever it may be now.  People seem to get facts and opinions mixed up all the time.


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3/24/14 8:45:33 AM#30

I believe the 8 million number but WoW gets too much credit for expanding the market as well. WoW came out during a huge boom in the gaming market, if it had never come out the other MMORPG out there would have seen massive growth as well. It is also the first MMORPG to be released in multiple regions. Before than a game like say EQ had 'unofficial' national servers which were just servers that one nationality had picked to be their home. There were no localized versions of the game etc. Finally the typical technology level has increased. A game like EQ or UO was played by most on a 56k modem with all the problems that go along with poor bandwidth. Most people just didn't have machines/connections capable of adequately running these games.

WoW was hitting a market that is probably 1000 times the size of the original MMORPG games. They made it a huge success by making it more casual friendly and making a smooth game (something games like WAR, RIFT, FFXIV, Wildstar, SWTOR STILL can't get right).


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3/24/14 9:12:58 AM#31
Originally posted by ozmono
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by ozmono
Originally posted by Aroukos
So whats this about?

I was just reading the forums and I ran into someone saying it. I wouldn't bother writing this if it wasn't said frequently.


Are you sure about that?


Something wrong with my browser so I cannot link the thread where I read it last. However the thread at the time of writing this is still on the first page. It's called "Insofar as MMOs are themeparks WoW is the best" Only have to go to the second post to see someone claim it. I've heard it several times though. Not that I'm going to dig up all the post, the most recent one is all I can be bothered doing. And no I wouldn't bother writing this if it was the only time I've read the sentiment.


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3/24/14 9:19:00 AM#32
Originally posted by ozmono
Originally posted by OhhPaigey
Who cares lol. If you like it play it if you don't then don't play it.

I wish I could report such post. No one is forcing you to read this if you don't care. If you don't care than don't post. I care about the quality of conversation and so I post. I'm not trying to persuade anyone that WoW is a bad game.

I care enough about not caring that i took the time to post here saying how much i do not care about this. 

I do not care about this, or WoW.

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3/24/14 9:22:28 AM#33

People try and argue that large populations don't make a game a success far more often than it makes them the best. Trying to use facts to dispute what the best games is just as silly as trying to prove them wrong. 

The OPs post is as bad or worse than the people he's complain about. At least they have numbers on their side of the opinion.


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3/24/14 9:37:50 AM#34

Lots of people smoke they can't be wrong!

Same idea.


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3/24/14 9:39:40 AM#35

It's an expression on par with the McDonalds analogy, lazy, fast and without any merit. The only way to combat it is like with any troll post, just ignore it. I just feel sorry for you OP that you can't see through the bullshit, you let yourself be annoyed by it.




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3/24/14 9:40:17 AM#36
Originally posted by Nudalus

Lots of people smoke they can't be wrong!

Same idea.

Yes because smoking is just the same as playing a MMO.



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3/24/14 9:49:09 AM#37
7.8 million is still incredibly impressive

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3/24/14 9:51:42 AM#38
Wrong or not,  Wow is still fking king of MMORPGs after 10 years of it's existence. 

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3/24/14 10:07:51 AM#39
There is also the fact that WoW never, at any point in time, had 12 million subs.  If you are paying by the hour, that's not a "subscription," even if Blizzard tries to call it one, so the Asian players don't count as subs and we actually don't have accurate numbers of just the western players.

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3/24/14 10:25:03 AM#40
Originally posted by CazNeerg
There is also the fact that WoW never, at any point in time, had 12 million subs.  If you are paying by the hour, that's not a "subscription," even if Blizzard tries to call it one, so the Asian players don't count as subs and we actually don't have accurate numbers of just the western players.

Second paragraph :

During the call, CEO of Blizzard Entertainment Mike Morhaime pointed out that World of Warcraft had fallen again to pre-Cataclysm subscriber levels -- 11.4 million subscribers at the end of March, down from its peak of 12 million. Subscriber levels do not decline linearly, he pointed out, stating that they fluctuate based on how quickly players consume and complete content. Players are consuming Cataclysm's content faster than any expansion before it, so subscriber levels started to drop off more quickly than they have previously.

While you might not include Asian players as players, i consider them people just like i think of you as one, so i am pretty sure they are paying customers like the rest of us, regardless of the payment model.

I still don't care about WoW.

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