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  Pig-Eye

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3/24/14 5:58:05 PM#61
Originally posted by Azoth
Originally posted by Velocinox
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by LuthorX

Think of it in the same terms as going out to eat...

 

You are free to order whatever you like from the menu, but you will have to pay for it. Chances are, if you are not willing to pay for a steak, you will not receive a steak.

 

If you want to play an Imperial, order an Imperial.

 

Simple, I know

Thank you.....the most simple explanation given..ever. 

 

You mean like a menu where you can choose the items you want to buy, as opposed to going into a restaurant being told it's $15 bucks to eat here and everyone gets the same?

 

see what I did there?

Even in the all you can eat buffet there is always an A la carte menu for the good stuff.

 

For the record, I didn't buy the CE for the Imperial race.

 

I bought it for the mount!

 

As you were /salute!

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  Distopia

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3/24/14 5:58:24 PM#62
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Tbau

I voted no.

The main reasons why I am passing on the game is the pre-orders. The race alone is bad enough because its a F2P pay wall, but the complete betrayal of the base game designed race/faction lock was made pointless with their offers.

Now I question the entire design of closing off the faction lands since its now pointless.

A pre-order is supposed to be perks, not this type of content, and they are trapped by it now. They cant reverse it or offer it to everyone later without betraying those that pre-ordered, so TESO will forever be the first subscription game with a F2P paywall. The door has been kicked open and most if not all future sub games is going to have pay wall content.

So, congrats to everyone that pre-ordered and game the gaming world to OK to take it to the next level of Sub based games with full F2P style cash shops.

Pay for locked content for while still having to pay for subs.

P.S. Yes I am aware of STO having done it, I am also aware that STO was a generic POS that went F2P quickly. So, unless you want to compare TESO to a crap game by a crap company, don't bring it up as a defense for what you really know was a stupid move by Zenimax and a danger to the future of the genre turning Sub games into sub+nickel&dime games.

You know that the only one hurting from your priciple is you yourself and you? 

 

I think its not the best thing they could have done,  but i stopped caring about this stuff along the way.... As long as i am having fun, its okay with me, and the moment its not fun anymore... I move on.

 

my true complaint with the i perials is the fact that they use Breton looks for the Imperial, for that money they really should have added a specifiic set of militaristic imperial hair uts and some typical imperial tatoos..

Not really, the Breton's faces are a lot rounder, while the Imperials are more gaunt (an itallian look vs briton) they have the same hairstyles yes, but as far as the actual facial structure, they look different. Not to disagree that it's not worth the money which I don't think it is. More hairstyles and stuff might add worth but not much IMO.

 

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  alexhpy98721

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3/24/14 6:05:38 PM#63

I truly dislike this whole race for money thing in a subscription game. I know why they did it, everyone(analysts included) say it will go free to play fast so its not strange for them to try and get as much money as they can.

That is why they included the horse too... and made them so expensive.

The sad part is that if it works they will do more things like this and new games will do even more bolder things....

  Kyleran

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3/24/14 6:08:01 PM#64
Sign me up to be part of "the Club."

Just because i can.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Bad.dog

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3/24/14 6:08:19 PM#65
When you travel there is economy class , business class ,and first class .....Now I get to travel first class in a mmo with an Imperial class player and a white horse for only $20.00 more ....a good deal at twice the cost
  Scalpless

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3/24/14 6:52:54 PM#66
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

what kind of question is that? you are seriously comparing a cosmetic pet with a fully playable race?.... sigh

And the difference is?

Exactly...What is the difference between a vanity pet or the imperial "race"..Does being an imperial give you an advantage over all the other races?? I would like to know.

Unlike a vanity pet, a race gives you a ton of customization options. Customization is very important in a RPG. So yes, the difference is rather big. Vanity pets are something few people care about. I certainly don't.

Also, I'm not boycotting this game. I'm just not buying it.

  alexhpy98721

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3/24/14 6:56:34 PM#67
Originally posted by Bad.dog
When you travel there is economy class , business class ,and first class .....Now I get to travel first class in a mmo with an Imperial class player and a white horse for only $20.00 more ....a good deal at twice the cost

Yea well the horse is not that good, the others are better and the imperial is not a race i`d pick for my sorcerer so... in my opinion its not pay to win but its disgusting they do this.

  Azzras

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3/24/14 7:06:05 PM#68
Originally posted by Scalpless
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

what kind of question is that? you are seriously comparing a cosmetic pet with a fully playable race?.... sigh

And the difference is?

Exactly...What is the difference between a vanity pet or the imperial "race"..Does being an imperial give you an advantage over all the other races?? I would like to know.

Unlike a vanity pet, a race gives you a ton of customization options. Customization is very important in a RPG. So yes, the difference is rather big. Vanity pets are something few people care about. I certainly don't.

Also, I'm not boycotting this game. I'm just not buying it.

This particular race doesn't really give you any customization options that cannot be obtained by others.

Their armor is obtainable, their looks are, well, human..., what can you get as an Imperial that you couldn't earn otherwise?

  Scalpless

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Posts: 1355

3/24/14 7:15:04 PM#69
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

what kind of question is that? you are seriously comparing a cosmetic pet with a fully playable race?.... sigh

And the difference is?

Exactly...What is the difference between a vanity pet or the imperial "race"..Does being an imperial give you an advantage over all the other races?? I would like to know.

Unlike a vanity pet, a race gives you a ton of customization options. Customization is very important in a RPG. So yes, the difference is rather big. Vanity pets are something few people care about. I certainly don't.

Also, I'm not boycotting this game. I'm just not buying it.

This particular race doesn't really give you any customization options that cannot be obtained by others.

Their armor is obtainable, their looks are, well, human..., what can you get as an Imperial that you couldn't earn otherwise?

Human races generally look different from each other in TES. You also get their racials, which aren't a big deal. But really, you get to be an Imperial and that's cool. I suppose you could make a Nord and call him Imperius Maximus, but it wouldn't be the same.

Most of all, it's the principle of things. They're starting to nickle and dime and the game hasn't even launched. It wouldn't be a deal-breaker by itself, but combined with some other things, it adds up.

  Bigdaddyx

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3/24/14 7:18:34 PM#70
Originally posted by Bad.dog
When you travel there is economy class , business class ,and first class .....Now I get to travel first class in a mmo with an Imperial class player and a white horse for only $20.00 more ....a good deal at twice the cost

How far we have come in MMOS since days of UO. There was a time when you buy a game and you could earn everything in game without paying real money for feeling you belong to some special class.

Companies have succeeded in conditioning minds of new players to accept the new payment model..

  jonesing22

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3/24/14 7:20:18 PM#71
Imperial Edition = Collector's edition. it's like any other mmorpg released with a CE. You get something for that extra $20.00. I don't see why TESO is catching so much flak about having a bonus to buying the CE.
  Mpfive

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3/24/14 7:22:55 PM#72
Originally posted by Aroukos
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Alber_gamer
I can already see that ESO will fail very hard. All these crappy things that fanboys are letting slip under the carpet will be noted once their honeymoon with the game ends, and hell will break loose.

I feel for those going to play WildStar more than ESO.  They have an entire HOUSE behind a paywall.

Also, did you see the armor?  Ouch.

 

 

At least Wildstar Box cost less and sub can be obtained through in game currency too. You also have all the races unlocked and ppl in Europe have their servers in EU!

Ohh so wildstar gets a free pass with selling houses and armor, but ESO are a BAD BAD company for selling a race? oO

  Bad.dog

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3/24/14 8:08:37 PM#73
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Bad.dog
When you travel there is economy class , business class ,and first class .....Now I get to travel first class in a mmo with an Imperial class player and a white horse for only $20.00 more ....a good deal at twice the cost

How far we have come in MMOS since days of UO. There was a time when you buy a game and you could earn everything in game without paying real money for feeling you belong to some special class.

Companies have succeeded in conditioning minds of new players to accept the new payment model..

LOL you barked up the wrong tree there "Bigdadyx" I'd been an avid gamer 20 years before they ever even thought of UO. What strikes  me funny is  that $20.00 seems to be such an issue to a certain mindset around here

 

I'm IMPERIAL ....I ride a WHITE HORSE....I belong to "THE CLUB"

  Bigdaddyx

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3/24/14 8:13:18 PM#74
Originally posted by Bad.dog
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Bad.dog
When you travel there is economy class , business class ,and first class .....Now I get to travel first class in a mmo with an Imperial class player and a white horse for only $20.00 more ....a good deal at twice the cost

How far we have come in MMOS since days of UO. There was a time when you buy a game and you could earn everything in game without paying real money for feeling you belong to some special class.

Companies have succeeded in conditioning minds of new players to accept the new payment model..

LOL you barked up the wrong tree there "Bigdadyx" I'd been an avid gamer 20 years before they ever even thought of UO. What strikes  me funny is  that $20.00 seems to be such an issue to a certain mindset around here

 

I'm IMPERIAL ....I ride a WHITE HORSE....I belong to "THE CLUB"

Which makes it even more ironic. And i did mention that companies have succeeded in conditioning mind of players into thinking that this practise is fine and acceptable.

  CazNeerg

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3/24/14 8:25:33 PM#75
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Which makes it even more ironic. And i did mention that companies have succeeded in conditioning mind of players into thinking that this practise is fine and acceptable.

You don't seem to understand that a lot of people don't have to be "conditioned" in order to think that getting more when you pay more is "fine and acceptable."

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  Bad.dog

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3/24/14 8:58:26 PM#76

Which makes it even more ironic. And i did mention that companies have succeeded in conditioning mind of players into thinking that this practise is fine and acceptable.

What's really ironic is you posting to me about companies conditioning the mind of players and me looking down at my original Final Fantasy X!V 2010 version game box

  FelixMajor

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3/24/14 9:01:26 PM#77
Originally posted by Gadareth

Depends how your looking at it. For the first time a Collectors edition has somehting different and worthwhile.

 

What you need to ask yourself is this. If there was no Collector's Edition would there still have been a playable Imperial race ?

 

 

It's marketing, and it's genius.  It's still pathetic.

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3/24/14 9:10:01 PM#78
Originally posted by Scalpless
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless
Originally posted by orionblack
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

what kind of question is that? you are seriously comparing a cosmetic pet with a fully playable race?.... sigh

And the difference is?

Exactly...What is the difference between a vanity pet or the imperial "race"..Does being an imperial give you an advantage over all the other races?? I would like to know.

Unlike a vanity pet, a race gives you a ton of customization options. Customization is very important in a RPG. So yes, the difference is rather big. Vanity pets are something few people care about. I certainly don't.

Also, I'm not boycotting this game. I'm just not buying it.

This particular race doesn't really give you any customization options that cannot be obtained by others.

Their armor is obtainable, their looks are, well, human..., what can you get as an Imperial that you couldn't earn otherwise?

Human races generally look different from each other in TES. You also get their racials, which aren't a big deal. But really, you get to be an Imperial and that's cool. I suppose you could make a Nord and call him Imperius Maximus, but it wouldn't be the same.

Most of all, it's the principle of things. They're starting to nickle and dime and the game hasn't even launched. It wouldn't be a deal-breaker by itself, but combined with some other things, it adds up.

What other little things may I ask?? A horse that is not as good as the one in game? Umm a mudcrab pet?? A "race" that has no advantage over the other races ??

Honestly is just sounds like people b%$%% just to b%$%$.....You know what, sign me up for "The Club" also...

  Netspook

Novice Member

Joined: 3/01/07
Posts: 1440

3/25/14 8:10:48 PM#79
Originally posted by LuthorX

Think of it in the same terms as going out to eat...

 

You are free to order whatever you like from the menu, but you will have to pay for it. Chances are, if you are not willing to pay for a steak, you will not receive a steak.

 

If you want to play an Imperial, order an Imperial.

 

Simple, I know

 

Nope.

You order steak. The waiter tells you he removed the fries from the plate, and if you want them back, that's extra.

  Sir_Crowe

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/24/14
Posts: 26

So many irrelevant people....

3/26/14 2:42:06 AM#80
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by LuthorX

Think of it in the same terms as going out to eat...

 

You are free to order whatever you like from the menu, but you will have to pay for it. Chances are, if you are not willing to pay for a steak, you will not receive a steak.

 

If you want to play an Imperial, order an Imperial.

 

Simple, I know

 

Nope.

You order steak. The waiter tells you he removed the fries from the plate, and if you want them back, that's extra.

 

^^^^^^^ just down right dirty for a company to do.
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