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  artemisentr4

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3/24/14 11:32:33 AM#21
Originally posted by Aroukos
The point is not about if you like a locked race or not. The point is if you agree a sub based game to have locked races in general.

This is how all CE's should be. Something others cry about because they didn't want to pay the extra $20 for the goodies. Most CE's are a complete waste. This one is worth the price. So I have not issues with it.

 

They decided to try to decrease the crying by allowing you to pay the extra $20 after launch for the same CE perks. I have no issue with that. The extra horse was the trial on what people will buy. I don't think they should have added that, even though both the CE and purchase horse have lower stats that what the in game horses will have.

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  Tbau

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3/24/14 11:36:03 AM#22

I voted no.

The main reasons why I am passing on the game is the pre-orders. The race alone is bad enough because its a F2P pay wall, but the complete betrayal of the base game designed race/faction lock was made pointless with their offers.

Now I question the entire design of closing off the faction lands since its now pointless.

A pre-order is supposed to be perks, not this type of content, and they are trapped by it now. They cant reverse it or offer it to everyone later without betraying those that pre-ordered, so TESO will forever be the first subscription game with a F2P paywall. The door has been kicked open and most if not all future sub games is going to have pay wall content.

So, congrats to everyone that pre-ordered and game the gaming world to OK to take it to the next level of Sub based games with full F2P style cash shops.

Pay for locked content for while still having to pay for subs.

P.S. Yes I am aware of STO having done it, I am also aware that STO was a generic POS that went F2P quickly. So, unless you want to compare TESO to a crap game by a crap company, don't bring it up as a defense for what you really know was a stupid move by Zenimax and a danger to the future of the genre turning Sub games into sub+nickel&dime games.

  Lord.Bachus

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3/24/14 11:45:05 AM#23
Originally posted by Tbau

I voted no.

The main reasons why I am passing on the game is the pre-orders. The race alone is bad enough because its a F2P pay wall, but the complete betrayal of the base game designed race/faction lock was made pointless with their offers.

Now I question the entire design of closing off the faction lands since its now pointless.

A pre-order is supposed to be perks, not this type of content, and they are trapped by it now. They cant reverse it or offer it to everyone later without betraying those that pre-ordered, so TESO will forever be the first subscription game with a F2P paywall. The door has been kicked open and most if not all future sub games is going to have pay wall content.

So, congrats to everyone that pre-ordered and game the gaming world to OK to take it to the next level of Sub based games with full F2P style cash shops.

Pay for locked content for while still having to pay for subs.

P.S. Yes I am aware of STO having done it, I am also aware that STO was a generic POS that went F2P quickly. So, unless you want to compare TESO to a crap game by a crap company, don't bring it up as a defense for what you really know was a stupid move by Zenimax and a danger to the future of the genre turning Sub games into sub+nickel&dime games.

You know that the only one hurting from your priciple is you yourself and you? 

 

I think its not the best thing they could have done,  but i stopped caring about this stuff along the way.... As long as i am having fun, its okay with me, and the moment its not fun anymore... I move on.

 

my true complaint with the i perials is the fact that they use Breton looks for the Imperial, for that money they really should have added a specifiic set of militaristic imperial hair uts and some typical imperial tatoos..

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  Sovrath

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3/24/14 11:51:06 AM#24

I don't think it should be locked into a collector's edition.

 

  Tbau

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3/24/14 12:01:31 PM#25
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

You know that the only one hurting from your priciple is you yourself and you? 

 if you are not sticking to your principles, then they are not principles. I am not a weak hypocrite. if I believe in something, I stand by it.

TESO is only a game, I am not hurt at all by not playing it. The market is vast and there are plenty of choices out there with so many good ones on the way. The very idea of supporting a game that is turning subscription based games into a sub + nickel and diming...no ****ing way. No game is worth that.

  NomadMorlock

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3/24/14 12:22:19 PM#26

The bottom line is that making games is a business.  They are in this for profit.

 

I don't begrudge the company the ability to make money as I will spend my money with them as long as they make a good game and I feel like I'm getting a good value for my money.  I'm glad they have something worthwhile as part of the collectors edition.

 

I think it was a great business decision.  It's not unbalancing and for the most part it's cosmetic.  It doesn't affect the game play of those who don't buy it.

 

Entitlement mentality.  Wah wah..I subscribe, I should have everything.  It's the same for people to cheap to pay a subscription.  They just think they deserve a good game and to have it for free.  You want a game that will be around for a long time, that puts out expansions, that delivers content and updates. Grow up, get a job, and pay for a game or service you want.

 

Hey, if they had a more expensive edition which offered something more, and I thought it was worth it..  I would buy that as well.

 

EDIT:  Look.  If you don't like what you see, then vote with your dollars.  Don't buy it.  But realize by making your decision, you have had your say.  It's not your job to tell others how to spend their money.  It may frustrate you, but lots of people feel this is okay.

Just look at the poll results and the number of collector's edition sold.  You may not like it but other people are voting with their dollars and they support buying the collectors edition.

 

 

  Kayo45

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3/24/14 2:34:09 PM#27

Most wont care. Sheep never care if theyre exploited. This is the DLC culture we're in now ... conditioned to accept things like this as the norm because "theyre a business" and "doesnt specifically bother me," so they gladly accept the fact theyre treated like cash cows to be milked as much as possible over expecting to be treated like valued customers with dignity. Theyre the reason companies like EA, Ubisoft, etc continue to do what they do.

They bend over, take it, then gladly offer more money for seconds.

  NomadMorlock

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3/24/14 2:37:45 PM#28
LOL. Keep telling yourself that.

You are just cheap.
  Bigdaddyx

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3/24/14 2:41:37 PM#29
Originally posted by NomadMorlock
LOL. Keep telling yourself that.

You are just cheap.

Ehmm.. it has nothing to do with being cheap.

  Pig-Eye

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3/24/14 2:41:45 PM#30

Think of it in the same terms as going out to eat...

 

You are free to order whatever you like from the menu, but you will have to pay for it. Chances are, if you are not willing to pay for a steak, you will not receive a steak.

 

If you want to play an Imperial, order an Imperial.

 

Simple, I know

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  NomadMorlock

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3/24/14 2:50:23 PM#31
I get that there are McDonalds players here as well as Fine Dining players.

If I want to go to a Fine dining restaurant and can afford it, get over it.

  rygard49

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3/24/14 3:08:13 PM#32

It's about time a Collector's Edition had more than a title and a vanity pet as far as in game distinguishers. I wish they hadn't offered a digital upgrade for it after the fact, though.

  gonewild

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3/24/14 3:13:16 PM#33
I bought a collectors edition so yes i want be among those special snowflakes who can play an imperial and make other people jelous of me
  Azzras

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3/24/14 3:20:22 PM#34
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

 

  Azzras

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One Shot, Two Kills.

3/24/14 3:22:23 PM#35
Originally posted by Kayo45

Most wont care. Sheep never care if theyre exploited. This is the DLC culture we're in now ... conditioned to accept things like this as the norm because "theyre a business" and "doesnt specifically bother me," so they gladly accept the fact theyre treated like cash cows to be milked as much as possible over expecting to be treated like valued customers with dignity. Theyre the reason companies like EA, Ubisoft, etc continue to do what they do.

They bend over, take it, then gladly offer more money for seconds.

With this reasoning you must have never purchased a game in your life.

  Aroukos

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OP  3/24/14 3:26:58 PM#36
Originally posted by Kayo45

Most wont care. Sheep never care if theyre exploited. This is the DLC culture we're in now ... conditioned to accept things like this as the norm because "theyre a business" and "doesnt specifically bother me," so they gladly accept the fact theyre treated like cash cows to be milked as much as possible over expecting to be treated like valued customers with dignity. Theyre the reason companies like EA, Ubisoft, etc continue to do what they do.

They bend over, take it, then gladly offer more money for seconds.

 

Agree 100%

  rojoArcueid

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3/24/14 3:33:00 PM#37
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

 

what kind of question is that? you are seriously comparing a cosmetic pet with a fully playable race?.... sigh

  Azzras

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3/24/14 3:33:56 PM#38
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

 

what kind of question is that? you are seriously comparing a cosmetic pet with a fully playable race?.... sigh

And the difference is?

  orionblack

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3/24/14 3:36:51 PM#39
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Azzras
Originally posted by Scalpless

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

So if the CE would have come with vanity pets and mounts you would have still boycotted the game?

 

what kind of question is that? you are seriously comparing a cosmetic pet with a fully playable race?.... sigh

And the difference is?

Exactly...What is the difference between a vanity pet or the imperial "race"..Does being an imperial give you an advantage over all the other races?? I would like to know.

  Arglebargle

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3/24/14 3:49:05 PM#40

I seem to recall that in another tilt at this particular windmill, someone posted a list of other games that had released with exclusive races available as well.  It's not like this is unique.

 

Also, given their original (poorly done, imo) racial locking, the Imperials were in a special situation.  No homeland, not part of any of the three factions.  Allows them to easily be members of any faction -- or be part of a special edition pre order.

 

Have little interest in Imperials personally, and just got the regular pre-order, as I was only really interested in the any race, any faction unlocking part.

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