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  Aroukos

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OP  3/24/14 3:06:43 AM#1
So what are your thoughts?

Do you agree that a sub based game has a full race locked for non Collectors buyers?

No, i think it sucks
Yes, i have no problem
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  abregar

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3/24/14 5:14:34 AM#2
I must confess my selfishness on this one, i voted i have no problem simply because they locked out Imperial race. I never played an imperial, dont care about them and they are not that better tanks. I seriously dont care about imperials... if they would locked out breton or bosmer, then...
  Aroukos

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OP  3/24/14 5:20:10 AM#3
The point is not about if you like a locked race or not. The point is if you agree a sub based game to have locked races in general.
  Gadareth

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3/24/14 5:23:09 AM#4

Depends how your looking at it. For the first time a Collectors edition has somehting different and worthwhile.

 

What you need to ask yourself is this. If there was no Collector's Edition would there still have been a playable Imperial race ?

 

 

  abregar

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3/24/14 6:45:29 AM#5
Originally posted by Aroukos
The point is not about if you like a locked race or not. The point is if you agree a sub based game to have locked races in general.

Yeah i know, what i wanted to say is that on this game i dont care due to the which race was locked.

 

But to be more on point, I see absolutely no reason why sub games should be sooo special. I dont percive subing to be such a bad thing. Before F2P craziness it used to be a norm, i dont mind it getting to be the norm again. Thats why i have no qualms about locking a race due to game being sub or no.

  rojoArcueid

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3/24/14 7:00:02 AM#6

paying more for the same game (CE vs standard) should grant perks. Not actual game content, much less core content. I dont consider cosmetics as content, but actual races or faction access IS content. The statue of Molag Bal alone is worth the CE price. Let alone all the other perks that come with it. There was no need to lock a race behind a paywall with a subscription in place. Zenimax is just testing the waters for the imminent F2P conversion with some early content sales and paywalls for the early quick cash that already became a standard practice for mmos thanks to the supporters of that shady practice.

 

It is OK to praise an upcoming mmo with the ELder Scrolls IP on it, but blindly supporting this garbage is the reason why subscription mmos will never be the same. Nothing with a subscription on it is worth a penny right now because of the greed of the company and the people who support it just so they can play the game already. Oh those same people tend to be the ones that like to pull the "poor cheapskates" answer to everyone to feel better with themselves while being milked.

 

EDIT: i dont care about the imperial race, they are just humans. But its not about the race itself, its about the bad practice. THe fact that they can pull this crap off means they can do anything to greedy because they have their sheeps following them with open wallets and closed eyes. THe subscription is there to avoid greedy practices and paywalls. THey clearly dont care about hurting their game like that.

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  Distopia

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3/24/14 7:29:24 AM#7
Do I dislike the idea of them selling crap like this? Not really, I really don't care about that I just won't buy it, end of story on that part. My only problem with it is that I typically play Imperials, but I don't like buying stuff like this at launch, when I can live without it. I don't think it's worth 20 bucks... I also don't like that they flip flopped after selling the game under the premise of no cash shop. Other than that Oh well..

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  Scalpless

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3/24/14 7:38:30 AM#8

It's just one of the things that made me not buy the game. Sorry, but in order for me to pay 15 euros per month for something, you have to give me access to all content, period. It also makes the devs look like a bunch of hypocrites, considering their lead tried to justify the sub by saying he dislikes paywalls.

IMO hiding the option to choose your race freely behind a pre-order is actually much worse. Whenever devs promote pre-ordering their game so heavily, it screams "we're not sure you'll buy it after reading some reviews" to me.

  Eladi

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3/24/14 7:50:04 AM#9

Not a Issue for me, its basically a race add later then the announcements of the races. I dint expected them to be in. they add the race based on popular demand and unlocked all races/factions based on popular demand. Same for the 50+(+) PVE content , its add based on popular demand.

Asking a little money for add last min content is "ok" it would have bin smarter to add that content later but its how MMO's work these days subscriptions or not.

anyone who avoid games coz they have subscriptions and add cash shop content will not find a game anymore. most old subscription games have add cash shops to their games and alot of single player games sell DLC on Day 1. its the way things are now and it will not chance coz for every one person who says no , one hundred say yes.

  tawess

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3/24/14 7:51:25 AM#10

Could not care less if i tried. CE´s pretty much always contains some form of special content and that is what makes them stand out. I have no problem with the imperial being locked away. It is after all just another human and we have plenty of those to begin with. Had it been one of the other races i might have been a tad more critical, but only from a marketing strategy point of view as it causes a lot of unheeded anger. Now most people will not care one iota and most of the people thart care will buy the CE.

 

Now a Digital Delux edition would have been good, price wise in-between the CE and the regular one and only offering the digital extras.... Oh wait they did do that. Go figure.

 

So in essence you are wrong OP.. it is not only available through the CE, you can get it for a small add-on to the price of your standard edition, and considering what you get it is pretty good value for money.

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  Gravarg

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3/24/14 7:55:39 AM#11
You can upgrade to it later if you want to play Imperial.  Just from a poll of my friends, most of them bought the digital Imperial Edition, but not for the Imperial Race.  Most plan on playing Khajiit, High Elf, or Orc.  I only know 2 others beside myself that will be playing Imperial, out of ~100 people.
  Netspook

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3/24/14 8:02:51 AM#12

There are many reasons why I'm not buying this game, but this is one of the major ones.

If they're greedy enough to hide a class behind this extra paywall, we can only speculate on what their greed will cause in the future.

Imo, this is exactly like day-one DLCs, the wrapping is just a little different.

  Gravarg

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3/24/14 8:09:31 AM#13
Originally posted by Netspook

There are many reasons why I'm not buying this game, but this is one of the major ones.

If they're greedy enough to hide a class behind this extra paywall, we can only speculate on what their greed will cause in the future.

Imo, this is exactly like day-one DLCs, the wrapping is just a little different.

Probably a typo, but it's a race not a class that's locked away.  Race actually doesn't play as much as a role in the long run.  As one of my friends put it, you can play the free version of the Imperial (Redguard).  Redguard racials are very similar to Imperial, but instead of health it's all about stamina.  Stamina is actually more beneficial than health in longer battles.  Imperial will have more health, but Redguard can attack and block more damage with shield/parry.  As I've told many, the racials even themselves out.  One race will be better in one area than the others. People complain about the Khajiit crit bonus, but I have to point out, if you're and Orc you can outrun everyone, if you're a High Elf mage you deal 6% more damage than everyone else, etc. It all even's out.

  Knotwood

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3/24/14 9:31:46 AM#14
Originally posted by Aroukos
The point is not about if you like a locked race or not. The point is if you agree a sub based game to have locked races in general.

I think this answer was already solved by the fact that one website selling games showed statistics that Collectors Editions were selling at a rate of 5 CE for every 1 standard. 

 

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  Aeonblades

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3/24/14 9:33:07 AM#15
Originally posted by Aroukos
So what are your thoughts?

You pay the money you get the product. There is nothing to not understand here. If you want to play Imperial, you pay the premium. Doesn't matter whether people agree with it or not.

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  CazNeerg

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3/24/14 10:13:35 AM#16

"Do you agree that a sub based game has a full race locked for non Collectors buyers?"

The only correct answer to the phrasing of this question is yes.  Is there a full race locked for non Collector's buyers?  Yes there is, so I have to agree that there is.

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  ketzerei

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3/24/14 10:15:17 AM#17
Originally posted by abregar
I must confess my selfishness on this one, i voted i have no problem simply because they locked out Imperial race. I never played an imperial, dont care about them and they are not that better tanks. I seriously dont care about imperials... if they would locked out breton or bosmer, then...

Agreed. Imperial race is pretty suck. idgaf if they lock it to CE only.

  Moar61

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3/24/14 10:18:00 AM#18

It sucks but I don't think it's that big of a deal. Imperials are literally the least interesting race in Elder Scrolls. You can craft imperial armour regardless if you bought the imperial edition or not. The only difference betweent he Imperial horse and the cheapest horse in game is that it's white. Rings of Mara are accessible regardless if you purchase the imperial edition. Not sure if i'm forgetting anything else other than a mudcrab pet. 

Also, IE is only 4 dollars more on Green Man Gaming. Or at least it has been since Sunday, when I purchased mine.

It is unfortunate but it is a collectors edition, and the game is still awesome. I'm more upset about the cash shop in general.

  bcbully

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3/24/14 10:18:55 AM#19
I have to admit, I bought the ImpEd even though I have no intention of rolling Imperial ever...  I bought it so that I would have the ability to make on too... Yeah it does kinda suck.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  handlewithcare

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3/24/14 10:22:33 AM#20

I am going to buy the imperial box,its worth it if you think their is only going to come another ESO in maybe 10 years.

the horse is great and ill play the imperial for sword and shield xp bonus.

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