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  Lord.Bachus

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3/20/14 12:21:15 AM#41
Originally posted by timidobserver
Originally posted by Newnan

The base UI is crap. We should be able to at least see friendly buff/debuffs. we should also have our own cast bars. as Options.

 

Also you people that are saying play off the animations. most animations for procs overlap. and when in 100+ AVA your skill animations probably will not show up.

I can understand removing enemy player data. However, I could honestly live with friendly buffs/debuffs and your own cast bars. I don't think that would hurt a lot. That said, I can also live without it. 

 

There is one thing i would like to see from all of this.... thats my own buffs on myself... like food and potion stuff... and htings comming from most of my spells...  Need to know when to recast these and there is mostly no infor about this in the annimations or game graphics..

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations)
Currently playing : The Elder Scrolls Online and Wildstar

  Newnan

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Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 80

3/20/14 12:22:24 AM#42
Originally posted by timidobserver
Originally posted by Newnan

The base UI is crap. We should be able to at least see friendly buff/debuffs. we should also have our own cast bars. as Options.

 

Also you people that are saying play off the animations. most animations for procs overlap. and when in 100+ AVA your skill animations probably will not show up.

I can understand removing enemy player data. However, I could honestly live with friendly buffs/debuffs and your own cast bars. I don't think that would hurt a lot. That said, I can also live without it. 

In most of the VR content the fight requires the management of Buffs/debuffs on players and the boss its self and are probably going to be impossible for the average player to notice it without some form of BETTER UI 

 

I support no addons IF the Base UI wasn't so MISinforming.

 

Edit: The biggest problem with these changes is not the removing of "Unfair Advanatges" its was a "knee JERK" reaction by completly removing most of the addons not just the famous FTC.  Almost all of the addons were effected. one of my favorite "dragon loot" displays loot dropped by party and your self in chat. (a common mmo feature) is not completly broken as well as many... many more addons.

 

They should have fixed the issues with specific things People thought were too much of an edge instead of just clicking the delete button across the board. 

 

Screw leveling games, give me something with "End game" at the beginning of the game.

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5575

3/20/14 12:24:47 AM#43
Well done. This is definitely the right approach.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  timidobserver

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Joined: 2/15/14
Posts: 247

3/20/14 12:25:44 AM#44
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by timidobserver
Originally posted by Newnan

The base UI is crap. We should be able to at least see friendly buff/debuffs. we should also have our own cast bars. as Options.

 

Also you people that are saying play off the animations. most animations for procs overlap. and when in 100+ AVA your skill animations probably will not show up.

I can understand removing enemy player data. However, I could honestly live with friendly buffs/debuffs and your own cast bars. I don't think that would hurt a lot. That said, I can also live without it. 

 

There is one thing i would like to see from all of this.... thats my own buffs on myself... like food and potion stuff... and htings comming from most of my spells...  Need to know when to recast these and there is mostly no infor about this in the annimations or game graphics..

I agree, except I don't use the word need when it comes to addons. I'd like that data, but I don't really need it. I'll be fine without it, but it would be extremely convenient to be able to have it. 

IMO, the most important function of this data is bug testing rather than actual gameplay use. It is easier for players to pick up on some ability not functioning correctly if they are getting a lot of data on it via an addon. Now it will be difficult to figure out what is working right without a stop watch and a graphing calculator.

 

  Newnan

Novice Member

Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 80

3/20/14 12:30:56 AM#45
Originally posted by timidobserver
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by timidobserver
Originally posted by Newnan

The base UI is crap. We should be able to at least see friendly buff/debuffs. we should also have our own cast bars. as Options.

 

Also you people that are saying play off the animations. most animations for procs overlap. and when in 100+ AVA your skill animations probably will not show up.

I can understand removing enemy player data. However, I could honestly live with friendly buffs/debuffs and your own cast bars. I don't think that would hurt a lot. That said, I can also live without it. 

 

There is one thing i would like to see from all of this.... thats my own buffs on myself... like food and potion stuff... and htings comming from most of my spells...  Need to know when to recast these and there is mostly no infor about this in the annimations or game graphics..

I agree, except I don't use the word need when it comes to addons. I'd like that data, but I don't really need it. I'll be fine without it, but it would be extremely convenient to be able to have it. 

IMO, the most important function of this data is bug testing rather than actual gameplay use. It is easier for players to pick up on some ability not functioning correctly if they are getting a lot of data on it via an addon. Now it will be difficult to figure out what is working right without a stop watch and a graphing calculator.

 

I am glad you brought up bug testing. since most of the game is broken to hell and only with the addons we were able to uncover how such class's as Nightblade are broken as hell.

Screw leveling games, give me something with "End game" at the beginning of the game.

  timidobserver

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Joined: 2/15/14
Posts: 247

3/20/14 12:32:43 AM#46
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by timidobserver
Originally posted by Newnan

The base UI is crap. We should be able to at least see friendly buff/debuffs. we should also have our own cast bars. as Options.

 

Also you people that are saying play off the animations. most animations for procs overlap. and when in 100+ AVA your skill animations probably will not show up.

I can understand removing enemy player data. However, I could honestly live with friendly buffs/debuffs and your own cast bars. I don't think that would hurt a lot. That said, I can also live without it. 

In most of the VR content the fight requires the management of Buffs/debuffs on players and the boss its self and are probably going to be impossible for the average player to notice it without some form of BETTER UI 

 

I support no addons IF the Base UI wasn't so MISinforming.

 

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  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7007

3/20/14 12:33:05 AM#47
http://strawpoll.me/1346912/ straw poll on the topic.
  Elikal

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Posts: 8067

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3/20/14 12:34:12 AM#48

I find it highly questionable to alter a fundamental UI function a few days before release. People tested the game with certain features, maybe basing the buy decision on it, and now UI addons get gutted DAYS before launch? I can not judge whether or not the changes are good or bad, but hectic last minute changes of the entire UI functionality doesn't bode well. It makes them look dishonest and sort of driven.

 

EDIT: It is a horrible communication misstep if anything. Just see how SOE does it with Everquest Next + Landmark, how open they debate about everything, explain ALL their rationales, in detail, in videos, forum entries and chat. But ZOS? They just drop last minute changes on us, no debate, no questions asked, just "eat or die". Very bad PR and community handling if you ask me. (I know you won't, so I say it anyways. You know me. ^^)

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Newnan

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Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 80

3/20/14 12:38:26 AM#49
Originally posted by Elikal
I find it highly questionable to alter a fundamental UI function a few days before release. People tested the game with certain features, maybe basing the buy decision on it, and now UI addons get gutted DAYS before launch? I can not judge whether or not the changes are good or bad, but hectic last minute changes of the entire UI functionality doesn't bode well. It makes them look dishonest and sort of driven.

I agree, I WANT THIS GAME TO BE A SUCCESS, but ZOS has been shady as **** for a long time.

Screw leveling games, give me something with "End game" at the beginning of the game.

  Wighty

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Joined: 1/10/08
Posts: 561

3/20/14 12:38:55 AM#50
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

What are your other Hobbies?

Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  Newnan

Novice Member

Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 80

3/20/14 12:42:10 AM#51
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

Screw leveling games, give me something with "End game" at the beginning of the game.

  Distopia

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Posts: 15267

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3/20/14 12:44:26 AM#52
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

Sorry it's the makers of a game that set the rules of a game. As long as everyone has to adhere to the rule it's as fair as it's going to get. Addons change that, they (zenimax) stopped that from happening.

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  Wighty

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Joined: 1/10/08
Posts: 561

3/20/14 12:49:07 AM#53
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

So basically people bitch and complain that everything out there is a "clone" or has "no inovation" and then a game comes out that doesn't adhere to the norm and thinks outside the box and now people bitch and complain that it not like every MMO made in the last 15 years...

This is some f'd up logic...

 

This vid pretty much says it all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27LzPvvpqHY

 

What are your other Hobbies?

Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...

  Newnan

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Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 80

3/20/14 12:49:14 AM#54
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

Sorry it's the makers of a game that set the rules of a game. As long as everyone has to adhere to the rule it's as fair as it's going to get. Addons change that, they (zenimax) stopped that from happening.

Two weeks before launch and a Major "KNEE JERKING" Reaction is not the way to solve the problem most people have. Let alone all the broken quests, spells, animations.  They should of spent more time fixing the game breaking bugs then taking the easy way out and just deleting all the addon's that  ZOS promised would fix the problem the game had. Which for the longest part it did. If they would just fixed the advantage slightly but leave the core of the information in the UI we wouldn't have had this problem.

Screw leveling games, give me something with "End game" at the beginning of the game.

  flguy147

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Joined: 1/15/09
Posts: 380

 
OP  3/20/14 12:49:34 AM#55
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

Sorry it's the makers of a game that set the rules of a game. As long as everyone has to adhere to the rule it's as fair as it's going to get. Addons change that, they (zenimax) stopped that from happening.

Agreed, Even Atropos who invented FTC admitted tonight on Twitch that it IS a competitive advantage over the people that dont use it.  

  Newnan

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Joined: 3/28/08
Posts: 80

3/20/14 12:53:00 AM#56
Originally posted by flguy147
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

Sorry it's the makers of a game that set the rules of a game. As long as everyone has to adhere to the rule it's as fair as it's going to get. Addons change that, they (zenimax) stopped that from happening.

Agreed, Even Atropos who invented FTC admitted tonight on Twitch that it IS a competitive advantage over the people that dont use it.  

So fix the advantage NOT Just remove the entire addon or addons across the board that ZOS promised would fix the major issues the game had.  Not to mention EVERY ES PC game has addons.

Screw leveling games, give me something with "End game" at the beginning of the game.

  flguy147

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/15/09
Posts: 380

 
OP  3/20/14 12:55:13 AM#57
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

So basically people bitch and complain that everything out there is a "clone" or has "no inovation" and then a game comes out that doesn't adhere to the norm and thinks outside the box and now people bitch and complain that it not like every MMO made in the last 15 years...

This is some f'd up logic...

 

This vid pretty much says it all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27LzPvvpqHY

 

Yep exactly, I have realized that people only want the game that is being made specifically for them.  Because when games do things differently which is one of the biggest complaints in the genre they still complain about it.  Its just because it wasn't designed the way they wanted it for them. 

  timidobserver

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/15/14
Posts: 247

3/20/14 12:55:35 AM#58
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by flguy147
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Newnan
Originally posted by Wighty
Originally posted by Giffen
This is an absolutely horrible change.  The default UI is one of the worst ever seen in MMO history, addons were the only thing making it bearable.

Wrong... If you want graphs and flow charts on your UI just play WOw or Wildstar... You can sit there and crunch numbers until your heart is content...

 

API functionality should simply limited to aesthetic modifications on your own screen. Which is the direction they are clearly taking.

I would have to disagree with you, The base UI should just have to options that every other MMO is history has had over the last 15 years.  If you want to not have something then you, your self should just turn it off. don't force others to play the way you play it. We all have equal rights to play the way we want to play. Make it Fair, but GIVE US INFORMATION.

Sorry it's the makers of a game that set the rules of a game. As long as everyone has to adhere to the rule it's as fair as it's going to get. Addons change that, they (zenimax) stopped that from happening.

Agreed, Even Atropos who invented FTC admitted tonight on Twitch that it IS a competitive advantage over the people that dont use it.  

So fix the advantage NOT Just remove the entire addon or addons across the board that ZOS promised would fix the major issues the game had.  Not to mention EVERY ES PC game has addons.

Addons are not being removed across the board....

  Otakun

Novice Member

Joined: 12/28/07
Posts: 905

3/20/14 1:06:44 AM#59
I've been testing a lot of the addons people have made on the PTS server. Seems like I now have more work to do testing them all over again to see if they are even worth keeping anymore. Though I have to say, people seem to have a vast imagination on what these addons actually do in the game. 
  hulgar

Novice Member

Joined: 6/14/13
Posts: 94

3/20/14 1:15:20 AM#60
I can only say..wohooooo!!!
+100 move..
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