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  moosecatlol

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OP  3/14/14 4:58:58 AM#1

From the information posted yesterday.

 

The Album of screenshots for the lazy.

 

It is important to take Kongzhong's PR with a grain of salt, as they often will just say things that people want to hear, E.G. LeagueCN.

 

What to take from this.

Traits locked behind pay-walls, unid dyes cost gems to identify, and they went back on their word about not having a VIP system.

More information for the lazy:

1 Weapon Skill #1 & Healing Skill
2 Weapon Skill #2
5 Profession (F1) Skill
7 Offhand and Two-handed Weapon
9 Use of Down State and Rally
11 Vistas
14 Equipping Masterwork Equipments
15 Use of Salvage Kits
16 Creating and Joining of Guilds
17 Trading Post
18 Use of Asuran Gates
20 Traits
21 Jumping Puzzle
27 Weapon Swap
50 Elite Skill

Taken from the reddit.

 

 

The general consensus is that "ANet is infallible and it was all NCsoft's fault." or "Sucks to be Chinese." Even though this was a direct quote from the Eastern Female Colin Johanson, "After conducting exhaustive research on multiple aspects of the market and working closely with ArenaNet, KongZhong has decided to respect the users opinions and choose the same business model that has made the game the fastest-selling MMO in western history."

 

What does this all mean? Nothing, and even if it did mean anything or was going to affect you some how, what would you do about it? Groan? After all what do you care?

Inb4, but-but-but-but-but IT'S BETA!  Keep telling yourself that.

  tom_gore

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3/14/14 7:05:23 AM#2
Sucks to be chinese, p much
  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

3/14/14 2:56:19 PM#3

The Chinese will be Chinese and the people there will know what works there. I don't see everything being hidden behind a paywalls. When everything is there at level 40, people react like, "Why play on? There's nothing left to unlock!". And when they stretch out those Level unlocks a bit it's OMG look at that, level 50 before the Elite Skill! That sucks!"

Sheesh!

WoW has a very different revenue model in China as compared to the West, even if Blizzards like to just count those as subs too. Does that mean it sucks to be Chinese? I doubt it a lot.

If in the West you can get players to buy the whole game in one go, then great. If you need to nickle a dime the Chinese a bit more in small steps, then why the hell not?

There's a lot of question marks out there, if it's a blattant rip-off I'm sure it will crash and burn. And if it does Anet/NCSoft will have made a huge mistake. I think they know more about the Chinese market than the people replying to that post.

 

  moosecatlol

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OP  3/14/14 6:39:56 PM#4

Just some general responses on the NON-KongZhong forums, because astroturfing is real.

 

??????????.?????????????!!!!

??2???~????KZW~?????????????~??????????~??????~

 

*Welp should've known.* Check the Teiba.Baidu forums.

  Silentstorm

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Posts: 1158

3/18/14 1:52:03 PM#5
Wow it's crazy how they get away with murder. Just because it's in another region. One would think the Chinese would be like F U.
  bancuga

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3/18/14 8:03:06 PM#6

 

  Gaia_Hunter

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3/19/14 6:48:13 AM#7

I don't see why people are trying to attribute responsibility to Arenanet or NCSoft since it is Kongzhong the responsible to publish and run GW2 in China.

NCSoft will only collect royalties from GW2 China and the lion share of the profits will go to Kongzhong.

Currently playing: GW2
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  jpnz

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3/19/14 6:36:14 PM#8
Last I checked gw2 belongs to ncsoft / anet. If they decide to partner with a p2w publisher that's on them.

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  User Deleted
3/19/14 6:50:55 PM#9
For a long time WoW was pay to play per hour in china by what I remember, do not know if they shifted to a more western model but it is the developer's choice on how the model works and the customer votes with his wallet. Can we please stop trying to whip up a frenzy for a game nearing on its 2nd year since launch? You kinda missed the hate train in that respect OP.
  jpnz

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3/19/14 7:24:54 PM#10
Funny how a factual post on Gw2 china version is considered 'hate'. ROFL!

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Meowhead

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3/20/14 12:45:44 AM#11

Some of this is actually wrong, or based on misunderstandings.

A little research goes a long way to clearing it up. :T

  Beelzebobbie

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If DaoC was so fun why don't you just play it?

3/20/14 2:52:34 AM#12
I feel sorry for the Chinese people.
  Meowhead

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3/20/14 3:25:01 AM#13
Originally posted by Beelzebobbie
I feel sorry for the Chinese people.

It's not actually as bad as it looks on a lot of it.  Like you can WvW at level 2, you just can't go there straight from the menu.  YOu have to take a physical portal until you are either level 35 or WvW rank 2.

It's not so much you CAN'T do some of those things, as the game specifically introduces them to you at certain levels.  Supposed to be a better tutorial with more handholding all around since there was a lot of complaints about how undirected people felt, and a lot of people seem to like lots of direction. <.<

... and the VIP packages are basically just bundles of stuff the US people =already= can access in the cash shop.

There's some stuff I don't like, but a lot of it makes more sense in context. :/

  Gaia_Hunter

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3/20/14 5:30:47 AM#14
Originally posted by jpnz
Last I checked gw2 belongs to ncsoft / anet. If they decide to partner with a p2w publisher that's on them.

 

P2W?

So now unlocking stuff at certain levels is P2W, even though you can't unlock it by paying?

Or do you mean getting your name in a different color and having some kind of symbol before your name is P2W?

"Argh his name is purple!" *heart attack*

Or do you mean "lets stretch the inventory in the VIP picture to pretend it is bigger, even though it is bag based and the regular is showing 23/40 instead of 28/29 of the VIP" is P2W?

Or maybe more hairstyles is P2W?

 

The stuff people come with...

Almost 2 years after people are still desperately trying to say GW2 is p2w.

 

 

 

Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, King of Tokyo

  jpnz

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3/20/14 6:02:58 AM#15
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by jpnz
Last I checked gw2 belongs to ncsoft / anet. If they decide to partner with a p2w publisher that's on them.

 

P2W?

So now unlocking stuff at certain levels is P2W, even though you can't unlock it by paying?

Or do you mean getting your name in a different color and having some kind of symbol before your name is P2W?

"Argh his name is purple!" *heart attack*

Or do you mean "lets stretch the inventory in the VIP picture to pretend it is bigger, even though it is bag based and the regular is showing 23/40 instead of 28/29 of the VIP" is P2W?

Or maybe more hairstyles is P2W?

 

The stuff people come with...

Almost 2 years after people are still desperately trying to say GW2 is p2w.

 

 

 

The movement of goal posts and logic twisting to not say 'this is a bad thing' is pretty hilarious.

So we went from 'why blame ANet?' to 'Well, it isn't P2W anyway!'

And seriously? Gem ID being blocked by the gem store is somehow good? Really? REALLY?

I mean.. wow..

Actually, are you Crystin Cox?

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  Gaia_Hunter

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3/20/14 6:19:33 AM#16
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by jpnz
Last I checked gw2 belongs to ncsoft / anet. If they decide to partner with a p2w publisher that's on them.

 

P2W?

So now unlocking stuff at certain levels is P2W, even though you can't unlock it by paying?

Or do you mean getting your name in a different color and having some kind of symbol before your name is P2W?

"Argh his name is purple!" *heart attack*

Or do you mean "lets stretch the inventory in the VIP picture to pretend it is bigger, even though it is bag based and the regular is showing 23/40 instead of 28/29 of the VIP" is P2W?

Or maybe more hairstyles is P2W?

 

The stuff people come with...

Almost 2 years after people are still desperately trying to say GW2 is p2w.

 

 

 

The movement of goal posts and logic twisting to not say 'this is a bad thing' is pretty hilarious.

So we went from 'why blame ANet?' to 'Well, it isn't P2W anyway!'

And seriously? Gem ID being blocked by the gem store is somehow good? Really? REALLY?

I mean.. wow..

Actually, are you Crystin Cox?

Can you remind me who said that it was "ncsoft/anet decision to partner with a p2w publisher"?

So by your logic that I'm moving goal posts you just moved your own goal posts - first you said it was a p2w publisher but in fact after I've shown how ridiculous it is to call p2w to stuff like hair styles and colored name tags (but maybe guild wars 1 prophecies was p2w as well since if you bought the collectors edition you got a special aura) now it is bad because it is Anet allowing it?

What is the problem of selling a title, hair styles, armor skins, colorful name tags?

Does it interfere in anyway with game play?

And you say "Gem ID being blocked by the gem store"?

The IDs aren't being blocked by the gem store - they simply sell different colors to display your name tag.

But it must be unheard of.

I mean they don't even sell special license plates that spell names or whatever in the real world.

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  jpnz

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3/20/14 6:59:32 AM#17
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/20smr4/mike_obrien_interview_on_the_chinese_version_of/.compact


So Mike is lying?

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  Mpfive

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3/20/14 7:04:28 AM#18
Originally posted by Dihoru
For a long time WoW was pay to play per hour in china by what I remember, do not know if they shifted to a more western model but it is the developer's choice on how the model works and the customer votes with his wallet. Can we please stop trying to whip up a frenzy for a game nearing on its 2nd year since launch? You kinda missed the hate train in that respect OP.

It still is that model, that's why WoWs sub numbers in total are balony :)

  Meowhead

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3/20/14 9:17:19 AM#19
Originally posted by jpnz

The movement of goal posts and logic twisting to not say 'this is a bad thing' is pretty hilarious.

So we went from 'why blame ANet?' to 'Well, it isn't P2W anyway!'

And seriously? Gem ID being blocked by the gem store is somehow good? Really? REALLY?

I mean.. wow..

Actually, are you Crystin Cox?

Gem... ID?  I assume you mean dye ID?

If your argument is 'The publisher for the game in China seems a bit greedy', that's one thing, and harder to argue with, but you said P2W, specifically.  Which is a much more difficult argument to pull off.

And you can't really blame Arenanet.  You could blame NCSoft to some extent, but Arenanet has absolutely no leverage over what NCSoft picks as a publishing partner in China.  The fact they have to PICK a Chinese company in the first place is really due to Chinese legislation, anyway.  Unless you'd like to blame Arenanet for how Chinese law works?  I suppose that's a possible argument, though I'd love to see the arguments you need to make that work. :)

  Meowhead

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3/20/14 9:20:23 AM#20
Originally posted by moosecatlol

Traits locked behind pay-walls, unid dyes cost gems to identify, and they went back on their word about not having a VIP system.

The 'traits locked behind pay-walls' is based off a misunderstanding.  Today's blogpost on Traits Unleashed demonstrates how even the US version is getting a change in how traits work.  It's not 'only a few trait points and then the rest you have to pay money for', it's that everybody (China, US and EU) gets less trait points, but they do more.

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