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  Volgore

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3/12/14 4:48:38 PM#41

 

-uninspired turorial, but then this has a tradition among mmorpgs.

- 6 classes only which all sort of play the same, thanks to a combat system that is build on cones and telegraphs. Everything is close combat, plays borderline console'ish.

-Graphics are worse than WoW (cant believe i say that). The graphics consist of very flimsy elements and then very clunky stuff on the other hand -it doesn't mix too well at times. Look at everything beyond where flora is rendered, the textures are bad, flat and washed out. Scaling is odd at times. It's like they didnt put much effort into anything beyond close range.

-UI overkill. Tiny inventory icons, tiny font, tiny frames, clutter everywhere, infos popping up left and right. I constantly got dragged out of the game to read or click something out of my face. Curious how much the new UI will solve of all this. Otherwise addons to the rescue.

-the path-system is a missed chance altogether, that's VERY sad.

-performance is unacceptable considering the overall design shouldn't be taxing a mid-range PC at all. I read they are working on optimisation for mid and highend PCs, while low end optimisation is finished.

 

All of this can be fixed however, so i haven't given up on the game yet, as there is somethign about it which i like.

Despite its many basic flaws the game seems to have more depth to it than anything else released post-WoW.

I guess Wildstar will live or die by whatever Carbine comes up with in the first 6 month. It will however have enough impact to weed out some mediocre games that are still somehow floating around atm.

Widlstar would be a killer at 6,99 sub.

  Lazzaro

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Anything easy ain''t worth a damn.

3/12/14 4:50:41 PM#42

I've been in beta since it started last year, so close to a year now.

I'm going to be honest I was super excited about this game for a long time and had been following it for 3 years, but the more I played the less I became.

I mean the combat is fun, and fast, but it gets boring after awhile. I love the setting and stylized graphics but that pretty much all.

I thought WS was going to be something much different than the typical 'WOW' or insert 'clone' here but from what I played it really isn't. It just feels like the same thing with a brand new coat of paint to make it look 'different', but in the end it's the same thing I've been playing for years now. Your typical get to end game and just grind instanced raids or grind instanced BG's, Arena's, or Warplots.

  Avul

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Joined: 1/03/14
Posts: 216

3/12/14 5:07:48 PM#43

Yey NDA lifted.. so here's a quick Beta Review of a lvl 50 Engineer (+ lvl 24 Stalker and lvl 14 Medic):

First of all I wanted to say that I'm cheering for WildStar since 2011.. so I was kind of a fanboy until I was invited into the closed beta. I've read every article.. watched every livestream.. and so on. Well.. it's March 2014 and I couldn't be less interested in buying it. Yes.. this is gonna be a really negative review. And no.. I'm not hating. I'm just writing down my opinion.

Let's start with the few positive aspects of the game:

  • A brand new IP is always good.. I'm a little bit tired of all these big budget triple-A MMOs! (Although I'm gonna play ESO and this is a little bit of a contradiction..)
  • The different races are well designed and real aliens ("Hello Bioware! I'm looking at your different painted humans over there..")
  • The combat system is kinda refreshing and fun.. at least for the first 20-25 levels. I enjoyed dodging and aiming. But I'll have to say it gets old rather quickly. Nevertheless a positive aspect!
  • The Limited Action Set (LAS) is a good idea.. I really dislike the 100.000 abilites and icons on the screen as in World of Warcraft.. you just need a few skills to have fun!
  • Some areas are beautfiul designed (in my opinion: Algoroc, Galeras, Malgrave, Farside) and some NPCs are adorable ("What does the Lopp say???")
  • Dungeons are fine. It's nothing groundbreaking but the Boss mechanics are fun and challenging!
  • Housing is a neat mini-game.. there is some room for improvement but for the first implementation it's really cool!
  • While I like the crafting in ESO a little bit more.. it's brilliant in WildStar as well. :)
Now to the bigger part.. the negative aspects a.k.a. flaws of WildStar:
  • The quests are f-ing boring.. the whole leveling experience is a mess. Grindy, repetitve, bland. I'm so disappointed that Carbine invested more money and man-power in making creative and cool marketing videos instead of thinking about some other quest-ideas than "kill 50 of that and 100 of that. Afterwards you could kill 40 of these creatures". I know that these quests are a must-have in a MMO.. and that's fine! I like killing! But 9 out of 10 quests are either disguised kill quests ("Give this medicine to these creatures and kill them afterwards") or straight kill quests.
  • The questflow is equally bad. Strange quest-chains which make no sense at all. You come to a new zone, pick up 20 quests, go to the certain area and do them. After handing them in you get more quests in the same area. This repeats 1-2 times and due to the narrow mob placement you're doing the previous quests unintentional again.
  • The amount of quests is hilarious. 80-100 quests per zone.. awful because they're all the same basically.
  • Ok.. now to things which have nothing to do with the questing: path system! It's more of an occupational therapy than a new experience to your personal road from 1 to 50. Just a lot of f-clicking on accentuated items. I tried all of them and I can't decide which is the worst. For my lvl 50 char I went with Soldier because it's the least annoying one.
  • Immersion: The whole game feels like.. a game. Like a really bland mixture of a MOBA and a MMO. It doesn't matter which race I pick.. there are no race story arcs or some kind of impact on the game. It doesn't matter if I read the lore and quest texts because it's just a collection of semi-funny puns and stories for younger minds. It doesn't appeal to me at all. And it doesn't matter which path I choose.. no NPCs recognizes you as a famous Settler or a glorious Soldier. From the first moment WildStar feels like an Arcade Game.
  • Carbine promised a hardcore MMO. What did we get so far? A tedious game which isn't hardcore or challenging at all. The Mobs are beefy. Too beefy in my opinion. The huge chunks of white trash mob damage is hilarious. There are no animations. It just makes *plop* and 5k HP are gone. Even when you're dodging all the telegraphs you're dying because of this crap. It's punishing.. not challenging. The biggest flaws are the mini-games such as "click F at the right time" and "remember 4-12 colors in the right order". You can fail them and succeed anyways. What the fuck? Even if I'm clicking on the wrong colors intentionally I fulfill the task. I just get a little knockdown as a punishment. This.. is.. so.. lame. It feels like a game for kids.
  • PVP is mediocre.. not bad.. not good. It's basically the same you played before in other MMOs. While stealing Tiki Masks is kinda cool it's too much of a clusterfuck in my eyes. You can't kill somebody within 15-30 seconds so there is no time for a real 1v1 on such small maps. The HOTBS battleground is neat but I liked the SWTOR version more.
  • The Performance is a mess. I've got a relatively good PC (16GB Ram, 4Ghz Quadcore, GTX760) and I get around 15-25 fps at best. In a 20-man raid group around 2-5 fps. This can be fixed I guess.
  • Oh.. I forgot the classes and skills. While I like the different classes in their design I dislike the different abilites. There is no room for specialized builds. Each class feels the same and is able to do the same things. There are builders, spenders, snares, stuns etc. - no surprises. The classes are different in their animations, ranges and styles but not in their gameplay in general.
My final conclusion: PASS!
 
It's not the worst game I've ever played but it feels so shallow and old (in a negative way). Been there, done that before.. you might say. I really hope Carbine will work really hard on these points.. the official beta forums were full of similar concerns and criticisms. Sorry to give such a negative review but that's my opinion.
 
P.S.: 150-200hours to max level is a bad joke. I took my time and did it in about 80-90 hours. I skipped no single shiphand or dungeon.. and even did some rounds in PVP.

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  Englefield

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Joined: 10/30/12
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3/12/14 6:07:00 PM#44
Originally posted by zelaex  I really hope Carbine will work really hard on these points.. the official beta forums were full of similar concerns and criticisms. Sorry to give such a negative review but that's my opinion. 

Were they? I know this is your opinion, and you were in beta a lot longer than most so have more than earned the right to express it, but I don't think it's fair to say the forums were full of these criticisms. Yes, certain concerns were raised similar to the ones you've listed but I thought the general vibe was very positive.

  Avul

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Joined: 1/03/14
Posts: 216

3/12/14 6:13:11 PM#45
Originally posted by Englefield
Originally posted by zelaex  I really hope Carbine will work really hard on these points.. the official beta forums were full of similar concerns and criticisms. Sorry to give such a negative review but that's my opinion. 

Were they? I know this is your opinion, and you were in beta a lot longer than most so have more than earned the right to express it, but I don't think it's fair to say the forums were full of these criticisms. Yes, certain concerns were raised similar to the ones you've listed but I thought the general vibe was very positive.

Well.. it's not literally full of it. But if you read the different sections carefully (General, Story & Lore, etc.) you will see that there are many threads or posts which are going the same route I'm going. The positive vibe came from the many short threads after the different stress tests which is no coincidence. The first experience up to lvl 15-20 is neat. It's a brand new game with a new IP.. hard to not enjoy it (although the tutorial zones are a little bit boring). But the longer you play the more you see the flaws. I really had to force myself to play from 35 to 50 and I did that just because I was a long-term fan of the game before joining the beta.

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  Azzras

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Joined: 2/10/14
Posts: 422

One Shot, Two Kills.

3/12/14 6:21:18 PM#46

I can't think of any MMO more boring to me than WoWStar.

I tried soooo hard to like it when I finally had the chance to play.

I was extremely hyped about the game prior to getting in beta.

Reality is quite the bitch.

  Daessar

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Joined: 4/20/13
Posts: 207

3/12/14 6:50:34 PM#47
Originally posted by zelaex
The first experience up to lvl 15-20 is neat. It's a brand new game with a new IP.. hard to not enjoy it (although the tutorial zones are a little bit boring). But the longer you play the more you see the flaws. I really had to force myself to play from 35 to 50 and I did that just because I was a long-term fan of the game before joining the beta.

I've seen several people say the opposite too, that they didn't care as much for the early levels, but once they got past 20, they really enjoyed it much more. In my opinion it really comes down to people who enjoy this type of themepark MMO vs others who are looking for an MMO that is very different than a typical themepark.

I believe some gamers enjoy hyping themselves up, and just talking on the forums about an upcoming game, more than they actually enjoy playing any certain game.

  maybebaked

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Joined: 3/15/13
Posts: 218

3/12/14 6:57:24 PM#48
Originally posted by Azzras

I can't think of any MMO more boring to me than WoWStar.

I tried soooo hard to like it when I finally had the chance to play.

I was extremely hyped about the game prior to getting in beta.

Reality is quite the bitch.

 

I completely agree.

  Itherael

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Joined: 1/31/14
Posts: 107

3/12/14 7:06:48 PM#49
Originally posted by Daessar

In my opinion it really comes down to people who enjoy this type of themepark MMO vs others who are looking for an MMO that is very different than a typical themepark.

I believe you are understating his concerns. As several posts have depicted already, the problem is not merely that it's a standard themepark. Read his post once more and you will see that most of the problems stated are not inherent to the standard themepark model.

  LisaFlexy22

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Joined: 2/10/14
Posts: 422

3/12/14 7:14:02 PM#50
Personally I found the game to be way more fun on paper and in videos than when actually playing it - but I wish the best for the Wildstar fans and hope you enjoy the game at launch! :)
  LisaFlexy22

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Joined: 2/10/14
Posts: 422

3/12/14 7:15:15 PM#51
Originally posted by zelaex

Yey NDA lifted.. so here's a quick Beta Review of a lvl 50 Engineer (+ lvl 24 Stalker and lvl 14 Medic):

First of all I wanted to say that I'm cheering for WildStar since 2011.. so I was kind of a fanboy until I was invited into the closed beta. I've read every article.. watched every livestream.. and so on. Well.. it's March 2014 and I couldn't be less interested in buying it. Yes.. this is gonna be a really negative review. And no.. I'm not hating. I'm just writing down my opinion.

Let's start with the few positive aspects of the game:

  • A brand new IP is always good.. I'm a little bit tired of all these big budget triple-A MMOs! (Although I'm gonna play ESO and this is a little bit of a contradiction..)
  • The different races are well designed and real aliens ("Hello Bioware! I'm looking at your different painted humans over there..")
  • The combat system is kinda refreshing and fun.. at least for the first 20-25 levels. I enjoyed dodging and aiming. But I'll have to say it gets old rather quickly. Nevertheless a positive aspect!
  • The Limited Action Set (LAS) is a good idea.. I really dislike the 100.000 abilites and icons on the screen as in World of Warcraft.. you just need a few skills to have fun!
  • Some areas are beautfiul designed (in my opinion: Algoroc, Galeras, Malgrave, Farside) and some NPCs are adorable ("What does the Lopp say???")
  • Dungeons are fine. It's nothing groundbreaking but the Boss mechanics are fun and challenging!
  • Housing is a neat mini-game.. there is some room for improvement but for the first implementation it's really cool!
  • While I like the crafting in ESO a little bit more.. it's brilliant in WildStar as well. :)
Now to the bigger part.. the negative aspects a.k.a. flaws of WildStar:
  • The quests are f-ing boring.. the whole leveling experience is a mess. Grindy, repetitve, bland. I'm so disappointed that Carbine invested more money and man-power in making creative and cool marketing videos instead of thinking about some other quest-ideas than "kill 50 of that and 100 of that. Afterwards you could kill 40 of these creatures". I know that these quests are a must-have in a MMO.. and that's fine! I like killing! But 9 out of 10 quests are either disguised kill quests ("Give this medicine to these creatures and kill them afterwards") or straight kill quests.
  • The questflow is equally bad. Strange quest-chains which make no sense at all. You come to a new zone, pick up 20 quests, go to the certain area and do them. After handing them in you get more quests in the same area. This repeats 1-2 times and due to the narrow mob placement you're doing the previous quests unintentional again.
  • The amount of quests is hilarious. 80-100 quests per zone.. awful because they're all the same basically.
  • Ok.. now to things which have nothing to do with the questing: path system! It's more of an occupational therapy than a new experience to your personal road from 1 to 50. Just a lot of f-clicking on accentuated items. I tried all of them and I can't decide which is the worst. For my lvl 50 char I went with Soldier because it's the least annoying one.
  • Immersion: The whole game feels like.. a game. Like a really bland mixture of a MOBA and a MMO. It doesn't matter which race I pick.. there are no race story arcs or some kind of impact on the game. It doesn't matter if I read the lore and quest texts because it's just a collection of semi-funny puns and stories for younger minds. It doesn't appeal to me at all. And it doesn't matter which path I choose.. no NPCs recognizes you as a famous Settler or a glorious Soldier. From the first moment WildStar feels like an Arcade Game.
  • Carbine promised a hardcore MMO. What did we get so far? A tedious game which isn't hardcore or challenging at all. The Mobs are beefy. Too beefy in my opinion. The huge chunks of white trash mob damage is hilarious. There are no animations. It just makes *plop* and 5k HP are gone. Even when you're dodging all the telegraphs you're dying because of this crap. It's punishing.. not challenging. The biggest flaws are the mini-games such as "click F at the right time" and "remember 4-12 colors in the right order". You can fail them and succeed anyways. What the fuck? Even if I'm clicking on the wrong colors intentionally I fulfill the task. I just get a little knockdown as a punishment. This.. is.. so.. lame. It feels like a game for kids.
  • PVP is mediocre.. not bad.. not good. It's basically the same you played before in other MMOs. While stealing Tiki Masks is kinda cool it's too much of a clusterfuck in my eyes. You can't kill somebody within 15-30 seconds so there is no time for a real 1v1 on such small maps. The HOTBS battleground is neat but I liked the SWTOR version more.
  • The Performance is a mess. I've got a relatively good PC (16GB Ram, 4Ghz Quadcore, GTX760) and I get around 15-25 fps at best. In a 20-man raid group around 2-5 fps. This can be fixed I guess.
  • Oh.. I forgot the classes and skills. While I like the different classes in their design I dislike the different abilites. There is no room for specialized builds. Each class feels the same and is able to do the same things. There are builders, spenders, snares, stuns etc. - no surprises. The classes are different in their animations, ranges and styles but not in their gameplay in general.
My final conclusion: PASS!
 
It's not the worst game I've ever played but it feels so shallow and old (in a negative way). Been there, done that before.. you might say. I really hope Carbine will work really hard on these points.. the official beta forums were full of similar concerns and criticisms. Sorry to give such a negative review but that's my opinion.
 
P.S.: 150-200hours to max level is a bad joke. I took my time and did it in about 80-90 hours. I skipped no single shiphand or dungeon.. and even did some rounds in PVP.

You should post a full review like this as a new thread in the Wildstar forums.

  Daessar

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3/12/14 8:44:34 PM#52
Originally posted by Itherael

I believe you are understating his concerns. As several posts have depicted already, the problem is not merely that it's a standard themepark. Read his post once more and you will see that most of the problems stated are not inherent to the standard themepark model.

 

It looks like many of his points were that it was the same format, just with a new skin. Same quest hubs, same instanced pvp BG/arenas, same gather quests, and that made it boring.

How many themepark MMO's are there currently, that are very different than the above description, and therefore really fun to play?

  Itherael

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3/12/14 10:02:59 PM#53
Originally posted by Daessar
Originally posted by Itherael

I believe you are understating his concerns. As several posts have depicted already, the problem is not merely that it's a standard themepark. Read his post once more and you will see that most of the problems stated are not inherent to the standard themepark model.

 

It looks like many of his points were that it was the same format, just with a new skin. Same quest hubs, same instanced pvp BG/arenas, same gather quests, and that made it boring.

How many themepark MMO's are there currently, that are very different than the above description, and therefore really fun to play?

The execution is what makes it boring. For instance, SWTOR has Kill X quests, but they are cleverly presented with impressive storytelling mechanics, thus giving the quests much needed context and making it far less boring. WoW's new content also makes use of some quite interesting quest mechanics and the lore itself is very rich and really present in-game. I thought the questing in WildStar to be far more boring than the questing in SWTOR and WoW, even though they are all themepark games. You need to take into account that the reason why you are doing something is just as important as what you are doing.

  cybersurfr

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3/12/14 11:03:00 PM#54

TLDR: It all just looked good on paper. Wildstar is trying to do more, but is falling short of what it wanted to do.

 

Based on the general feedback here, it's not looking too good for Wildstar. I was looking forward to this game and I had high hopes for it to be better, but it just isn't. I've played my fair share of themeparks which I have mostly played from launch (Wow:V to WOTLK, WAR, Aion, Rift, GW2, FFXIV), and  from what I have played of it (regular CB account since December), it simply doesn't stand out. Comparing it to those other games from my experience in the most general and basic way I can describe:

 

  1. WoW - I haven't played since WOTLK, but i found WoW better. The action combat in Wildstar which made it a bit more unique didn't do it for me. The wit and charm in the promo videos also didn't make it in-game. It all just looked good on paper.
  2. WAR - I enjoyed the Scenarios in WAR more than in Wildstar. Granted, Wildstar's PVE is better.
  3. Aion - Aion felt more static and a lot more boring than Wildstar (but that's not much of a comparison). What Aion had better was the thrill in world PVP. Wildstar felt too safe.
  4. Rift - They are equally average in terms of questing. Wildstar's PVP is better. However, Rift had well, rifts, which felt innovative at that time. Wildstar has paths - which just feel like extra quests. Again, it just looked good on paper.
  5. GW2 - This felt closest to Wildstar minus the trinity. I hated that GW2 didn't have the trinity. I enjoyed the PVP in both games. I haven't tried the warplots, but GW2 at least had WvWvW.
  6. FFXIV - This is the classic theme park. There was nothing innovative in the game, it simply stuck to its roots and polished it. This closely resembles Wildstar somewhat minus a few attempts by Wildstar to be a bit more unique (action combat, warplots). And to Wildstar's credit, it actually has good PVP (FFXIV's PVP is laughable). Still, comparing the two, Wildstar felt too messy. Whereas FFXIV felt constricting and limited, it knew what it wanted to do, what it did best, and made those aspects good. In comparison, Wildstar is trying to do more, but is falling short of what it wanted to do.
  Daessar

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3/12/14 11:18:29 PM#55
Originally posted by Itherael

 I thought the questing in WildStar to be far more boring than the questing in SWTOR and WoW, even though they are all themepark games. 

I like the questing in all 3, outside of voiceover I think all 3 are similar enough though, and I would argue that if Wildstar had exactly the same "impressive storytelling mechanics" you like, I'd bet the review would still be the same,

"questing is exactly like Swtor and Wow, been done a million times......booooor-ing"

I still stand by my initial comment, that some people enjoy the game forums much more than they do the games. Every single game produces the exact same scenario on forums.

Hype, and people drooling on themselves

Speculation on the features

More hype and frenzy through beta

then as soon as the game nears launch, outpouring of hate and negativity and prophecies of doom.

 

  Azureblaze

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3/13/14 3:04:21 AM#56

The first time I played (1-14) I did everything, doing all quests plus all the path missions. This really slowed me down more than anything else, and could get tedious. I had to take breaks as it just got a bit too repetitive and felt slow.
Some of it was fun for the Explorer path, but yes there was too many jumping puzzles. Rewards were sometimes good for the path, but not usually. Bags are great, but you can find decent bags from challenges / mob drops.

The second time I played 14-18(had less time) I stopped doing most of the path missions and also didn't do every single quest and I had a lot more fun. I noticed that quests in general start to open up a bit in the variety department around these levels, but it could still use more variety though imo.

I've only played Stalker so far, which I think is a pretty awesome class. I speced him a bit different and went mostly for crit, this made me a bit squishy in certain situations. The next time I try an Adventure I will likely throw in some more HP/Shield gear. When I did my first Adventure, it was a bit challenging not being a ranged DPS class. I actually died a few times because the amount of telegraphs in Adventures is pretty insane and I wasn't use to balancing DPS with mobility quite THAT much. Some of this could have had to do with the Healer not giving me enough love though I suppose.

I think the best way to play is to only do Path missions when you don't want to level very much, but want to do something different. Also, if you find you are doing a quest where the mobs are beneath your level, drop the quest and maybe go to the next "Hub" area. You will out-level the zone easily and then start taking an XP penalty on the mobs you are fighting if you do all the quests, especially if you have rested XP.

For what it's worth, as it stands now I will be buying this game.

Good luck everyone!

 

  Cromica

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3/13/14 3:14:25 AM#57
Thought I was going to love it but ended up getting bored pretty fast. I have some RL friends that are going to play so I will still probably get it, but I feel the same thing will happen when they get me to play WoW again - I play for 2 weeks and then quit because I am sick of the same old shit.
  Avul

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3/13/14 3:40:00 AM#58
Originally posted by Daessar
I've seen several people say the opposite too, that they didn't care as much for the early levels, but once they got past 20, they really enjoyed it much more. In my opinion it really comes down to people who enjoy this type of themepark MMO vs others who are looking for an MMO that is very different than a typical themepark. I believe some gamers enjoy hyping themselves up, and just talking on the forums about an upcoming game, more than they actually enjoy playing any certain game.

Nah.. it has nothing to do what I enjoy because I love themepark MMOs as I love sandbox MMOs. The problem is WildStar has nothing special to it. While leveling I asked myself so often why I should pay money and a monthly fee for it. I didn't come up with an idea. It feels like World of Warcraft in a different suit and with a different combat system. If I want a game like WoW I would play WoW. It's so bland.. not even the humour stands out. If I should describe the game with one word it would be: soulless

And yes.. right now I'm enjoying posting on the forums more than playing the game. Because playing it stopped making fun at a certain point. It feels like a chore. I thought it's getting better at max level because Carbine praises its Elder Game all over the place. Well.. if you like 20/40 man raiding and equally large warplots.. it will be okey I guess. But there's not much left for me. The dungeons are fine but nothing spectacular. The story in general and the story arcs in the adventures / dungeons are sub-par in my opinion. Feels like written by a 15-18 year old.

I know this sounds harsh. But I'm writing short stories myself and it's quite disappointing when a large company doesn't come up with better ideas and stories over a development phase of ~9 years. There are some flaws left I didn't listed like a huge lack of character customization options.. all in all it's definitely no game for me. I wish you future players luck and a fun time with WildStar. I'm sure there will be players who enjoy MOBAStar. ;)

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  Tinybina

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3/13/14 8:38:38 AM#59

I Hyped this game up SOOO much... Let me tell you...

 

When I finally got my Beta invite I was so freaking happy, played it during last years beta and had a blast.   Then the beta ended, they made some changes, I got into Star Wars and fell deep in love with that game.

 

Fast forward to the next round of beta test and I could not get myself to stay logged in longer then 30 mins... I don't know what it was, perhaps Star Wars ruined me, but I found myself forcing myself to try to play Wildstar.

 

Here are my gripes and many have been mentioned before:

 

1.  The UI... I feel like I am having a popup battle with this thing at times.. There are just to many things that are either all over your screen, flashing or popping up.  It is way to cluttered and I will not even talk about the stupid sprint bar's location....Talk about annoying...

 

2. The start up zones... I can honestly say these are perhaps some of the most boring and badly done zones I have ever played in a MMO.  I mean taking pictures?  And book hunting in a Library?... Really?...

 

3. The telegraphs... At first I thought this would bring a challenge to the game.  I mean I saw the instance dungeon videos and figured this is what I need in my life... But then you find yourself playing the telegraphs and not your character... PVP with telegraphs is ever worse, it is just a bunch of people running around and rolling there face on the keyboard.  I need a slower pace in my PVP, I want to be looking at the spell the player is casting so I can know what to do rather then looking at some red bar heading towards my feet....

 

Those are my three biggest gripes and sadly they are just to much for me to overcome.  I wanted to like Wildstar, needed to like Wildstar.  But after playing it, I cannot like Wildstar...

I crapped all over ESO last year and told everyone who would listen how WIldstar is the game to beat.... But now after seeing all these previews/reviews for ESO and having tried Wildstar.... looks like I will be joining ESO.... How is that for irony...

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  Avul

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3/13/14 8:52:59 AM#60
Originally posted by Tinybina

 [...]

1.  The UI [...]

2. The start up zones [...]

3. The telegraphs... At first I thought this would bring a challenge to the game.  I mean I saw the instance dungeon videos and figured this is what I need in my life... But then you find yourself playing the telegraphs and not your character... PVP with telegraphs is ever worse, it is just a bunch of people running around and rolling there face on the keyboard.  I need a slower pace in my PVP, I want to be looking at the spell the player is casting so I can know what to do rather then looking at some red bar heading towards my feet....

[...]

I crapped all over ESO last year and told everyone who would listen how WIldstar is the game to beat.... But now after seeing all these previews/reviews for ESO and having tried Wildstar.... looks like I will be joining ESO.... How is that for irony...

100% agree. While the UI gets an overhaul and they plan to tweak the starting zones your third point and the last 2-3 sentences are so spot on for me. You're not playing your character.. you're playing the floor. I didn't enjoy PVP because it's literally a mode you can roll your face on the keyboard. It's not as "tactical" as some people in here claim to say. This is why I call it WildStare instead of WildStar.. you're staring at the ground the whole time instead of enjoying the environment and the battle itself. There is no reaction to certain moves of your enemy.. it's just your typical skill-rotation.

And your last passage gave me a good laugh because it's the same with me. I didn't care for ESO because the internet was so full of hate towards it. I didn't expect anything from it.. then I won a beta key and tried it because I had nothing else to do. Well.. I'm 99% sure I will be there for release. It's not the perfect MMO but much more fun for me in comparison to WildStar. Although it was a little bit awkward to explain it to my friends why I changed my mind.

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