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News & Features Discussion  » The Secret World: Funcom Profits Down Due to Crowded F2P MMO Space

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3/05/14 7:07:48 PM#21
Originally posted by DeaconX
This MMO would be hands down the best out there right now, if only the combat weren't so drab.

I have to agree.  The story and questing in this game is amazing.  If it wasn't for the lackluster combat I would still be playing. 


If an MMO only could give us the total package instead of doing one or two things right. 


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3/05/14 7:22:30 PM#22
Originally posted by DeaconX
This MMO would be hands down the best out there right now, if only the combat weren't so drab.

I would concur, TSW has awesome PVE with its story and how you approach quests. Plus the characters are fantastic. But the combat, doesn't seem to match up with the quality behind the game. Which is odd, considering AOC was always praised for its combat system, no idea why they couldn't just merge the two!


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3/05/14 7:39:18 PM#23

That's how competition works.

You want to compete, you deliver AAA goods with AAA effort and you do. not. stop.

If you can't compete, you get shoved out of the way.

A lesson Funcom has yet to learn.


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3/05/14 7:42:21 PM#24

stop making bad games.

Age of Conan is a launch flop at least with fun combat.

You made secret world with shit combat.

Most impt element in a mmo is COMBAT. Every mmo developer should get this basic  into their head.


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3/05/14 8:10:56 PM#25
i think the combat is fine. but its hard. oh so friking difficult.

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3/05/14 8:39:57 PM#26

you guys are so funny only focusing on TSW n AOC...when clearly they have other games. in mobile etc...

lets not forget TSW brought them most of last years revenue.

cleary one- if not the best mmo out there!- they should of stayed with sub base imo. i would of supported it 100%!!!!



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3/05/14 8:42:49 PM#27
Originally posted by justmemyselfandi

That's how competition works.

You want to compete, you deliver AAA goods with AAA effort and you do. not. stop.

If you can't compete, you get shoved out of the way.

A lesson Funcom has yet to learn.


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3/05/14 8:56:44 PM#28

Funcom simply alienated much to many Players with AoC - Gamers do not forgive easy, if ever.
TSW has good PvE, very good ihmo, but it is no real MMOrpg, the combat is pretty clunky (the Skill-Wheel is not really in Invention with choices of freedom), Crafting pointless, momentum lost, competition huge, success is low therefore.
Shady Business accusations on top.

I stopped playing Funcom games...and stopped playing MMOrpgs also (a few weeks or months in TESO aside but i have low expectations for that one, Archeage slipped the Window of Oportunity).

If Funcom closes Business i dont care, i should sell the stuff i still have i guess b4 its to late.

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3/05/14 9:20:46 PM#29
Originally posted by Solar_Prophet
Originally posted by bcbully

This is what happens when you do not not make proper PvP in 2014. 

TSW has some of the best PvE in the business.

Let this be a lesson.

The PvP crowd is niche. Always has been, always will be. Period. So unless you actually have some kind of proof to back up your ridiculous assertion, kindly go back to your little badly translated kung fu game that almost nobody has heard of or cares about (despite the fact it's FFA PvP). Thanks.

Here is a proof PvP is not niche as seem to think:

According to this infographics (dated 28/01/2014):


Every day in Azeroth, there are:

900k pve instances (dungeons, raids, scenarios)

670k pvp instances (battlegrounds, arenas, rated BGs)


Now, I am waiting for an apology to the poster you quoted as not only were you were rude to him/her but also you spread misinformation.

What's worse, *you* haven't brought any proof that PvP is a niche activity - just your own "authority" and "beliefs". Not only were you wrong, but also didn't even apply your own advice to yourself.

What a ridiculous forum poster you are.


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3/05/14 9:23:38 PM#30
Originally posted by Krimzin

F2P is going to come crashing down in the near future. Sub Games like Eso are going to show developers that players dont mind paying a monthly for a solid game.

Don't think so


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3/05/14 9:33:53 PM#31

This would have nothing to do with the fact that FunCom is an awful company, with an awful track record, with awful management who can only figure out how to add content to games when it means more monetization of what is already a dwindling loyal customer base.

Nope, not at all.


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3/06/14 1:25:33 AM#32

TSW could have the same combat as AoC. It would be great! Both AoC and TSW have dangerous worlds with a high mob concentration - that's great, by the way -, so if the combat is tiresome, anoying and gives you hand cramps it can really be a pain - literally - to play the game.

I'm a Grand Master in TSW and I have a 1,5 year running sub in AoC, because I think Funcom takes risks to deliever something different and trys to build good and mature virtual worlds.

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3/06/14 4:07:36 AM#33
Market saturation makes for a great scapegoat when you can't admit the obvious reason. The lack of quality.

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3/06/14 4:30:10 AM#34
Originally posted by SBFord

Funcom has released its Q4 2013 financial statements. The numbers are down sharply from a year ago. According to the report, Age of Conan and The Secret World are still viable properties that make money but the revenue gain is leaner due to an increasingly crowded free to play MMO market. Funcom reported revenue of $23.6M in Q4 2012 as opposed to $21.4M in Q4 2013.

$21.4M is for the ENTIRE 2013 year, not 4Q 2013, like $23.5M is for the entire 2012 year.

I've read $21.4M in Q4 2013 and was like "WTH that is more than CCP does in a quarter".

More problematic is the decline from 3Q13 to 4Q13 - 2012 after all saw the release of TSW.

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3/06/14 4:39:37 AM#35

I must be crazy , but I never liked the combat system in either games.

In conan , idea with combos was good on paper, but implementation was just terrible, and pointless.

In TSW , the combat was so un-imaginative and terrible. I just couldnt play the game. You are supposed to be these great magic casters , supernatural and hidden. But you go around with mallets and AK-s. And no move not even the "magic" ones look good. And thats just visual side. Not to mention on practical side its just clumsy and bad.

The games are both highly instanced and set in small areas separated by loooong loading screens.


Both of them games with great potential, some valid ideas, and good writing.

But ultimately and in practice - boring, badly designed.


So please dont blame other games...





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3/06/14 4:43:52 AM#36
Originally posted by Lobotomist


So please dont blame other games...

Well if the other games were worse, things would have been better.

It is a shame because the story bits and the investigations are quite fun.

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3/06/14 4:46:46 AM#37

TSW servers are populated and players are around everywhere,but it is   B2P game without  new content for spend money .Issue 8 is crap,no worth spending money or time for scenarios/augments grind.

It is one by best mmorpg's on market,great fun game  but funcom doing something wrong with business.

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW


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3/06/14 4:54:53 AM#38
Originally posted by orbitxo

you guys are so funny only focusing on TSW n AOC...when clearly they have other games. in mobile etc...

lets not forget TSW brought them most of last years revenue.

cleary one- if not the best mmo out there!- they should of stayed with sub base imo. i would of supported it 100%!!!!

I also was in the "don't switch to b2p" camp myself, but in the long run maybe that was a good decision - most members stayed subbed anyways, so with loosing some monthly fee FC won a box sale boost, and an optional crowd who might use the shop for some additional purchases.


This report is just the usual, AoC and AO maintaining their positions and bringing in some profits like they do since years, TSW is profitable as well, and FC is focusing onto Lego and mobile / tablet for 2014. I guess we'll see soon the voices of 2008-2009 returning, with "use our profits to upgrade our games and not pouring it into making a new one". I didn't agree with them by then, but I agree them now. Lego sucks. :)


As for the saturated market, it's a fact. Everyone has only 24h per day... I know I'm not a good example (since proudly hopping since the '80s :) ) but personally I've played TSW only once in February, and AoC zero times, and I love both games. I cite February since there were no events that month. I also haven't played STO since January. Simply there are way too many games on the market...

(for the record, my last month was mainly LotRO, with a few days of Aura Kingdom (I know...) on the side, a bit Vanguard, and Rift. And if I just had 20-30 mins, I've played a few rounds in FM, it's better than Hearthstone I think.)


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3/06/14 4:57:20 AM#39
Ressubed around new year. With a lot of problems was able to have my credit card charged. At the end by deleting all my payment options and recreating. When there was time to automatically resub, got error which support in 10 emails were unable to solve, from response every single time I had impression nobody has actually read what is problem, like always some automated response. Terrible support. Gived up, resubbed to Wow and I'm happy all this time.

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3/06/14 5:03:03 AM#40
For me the problem with the game is that they've done the combat so utterly sloppy, unoriginal and boring it ruins the whole experience. This is a prime example of even though a game has a nice look and excellent questing, but it doesn't matter how nice car you got if the engine don't work. 
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