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  AntiGoldSellerr

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Joined: 3/01/14
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OP  3/01/14 8:28:22 PM#1

Just passing a warning here because it has happened to some other people in EVE, and other games.

Just because a Gold Seller Site says that something is Legal Doesn't mean it is, I am not sure how many of you know but I played EVE for 5 years, and over the years sometimes I would use a site called  (IskBank) for purchase of ISK because their site said it was legally obtained currency. Well things have changed perhaps due to management but I purchased an order from their site of over $100 within the last few months only to have it reclaimed by a GM, and PayPal won't refund the money, nor will this company refund the money, so lesson Learned Do not use this site for purchase of RMT goods, they obtain their currency from illegal sources, and hacked accounts.

I support Real Money Trading, as long as items are obtained 100% Legally between friends for example I will give you $20 this weekend to go collect me 100 Copper Ore, totally fine, but this company called ISK-Bank is hacking other peoples accounts, and using scams to obtain ISK which will cause you your loss of your EVE Online Account, and or Money in my case it was a little over $100 US which was lost not my account.

There are legit sites like player auctions, and I have used such services before although using such is a bit risky, my advise to you however if you are looking to make millions of ISK and got a lot of time to do it just buy a second or third account maybe even 10 accounts on a computer for EVE its not that hard to control 10 accounts.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/19890/Iskbankcom-Exposed

Do not buy from this site, because they obtain their ISK illegally, I wil lnot list other sites where you can buy ISK due to TOS, but feel the need to spread the word here tell your friends to avoid ISK Bank.

Currently Known List of ISK Bank Transactions.

. They trade VIA Contract, contracts don't show up in your history which is why when you do a contract its best for you to do it via contract.

. They do Direct Trade which appears in your money log this gets you banned especially since the ISK comes from illegal sources.

. They do a Corp Trade, ISKBank is now doing their trades through Corportations, So that they can avoid GM Bans by trading resources/funds through corp, I am sorry for ratting you out but you cost me $100 You refused to return it to me and practice illegal trades so good luck with your future trades.  Oh and lets just say your characters employment history wont look good when people see you part of a gold sellers corporation.

Also as a General reminder in EVE.

1.) Always Read the Contracts before you accept them.

2.) Never Click odd looking links or give API key to wrong people, or service which may steal your currency.

3.) Don't accept large amounts of currency for Worm-Holes directly traded because if its from a gold seller GM will still reclaim it you won't get it back instead make a CORP, and have the funds paid directly to it.

Instead the GM said themselves if you do a worm-hole trade have the guild or corp leader pay it directly to your Corp Wallet.

  jircris

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Joined: 2/03/07
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3/01/14 8:36:36 PM#2
Just an FYI there is no LEGAL way to buy ingame currency on any mmo other then those who offer the trade system themselves. If its a 3rd party it is illegal and well be removed..or you can have your account banned as well... Also pay pal wont give the money back because you did receive the product but then had it taken by a GM. So yea lesson learned as you said buy my advice is to buy ingame time plex and sell them.

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  hulgar

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3/01/14 8:39:33 PM#3
You buyed RMT from 3rd party places. You lost the money. Well deseved
  Malcanis

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"A very special kind of stupidity"

3/02/14 4:10:16 AM#4

And I suppose you never wondered what this "PLEX" thingummy was all about...?

 

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  SpottyGekko

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Joined: 9/26/04
Posts: 3173

3/02/14 4:26:50 AM#5

It never fails to amaze me how many people feel that "the rules don't apply to them" or that they "don't agree with the rules", so they'll just disregard them.

What always completely stuns me however, is when these same people complain when they are punished for not playing by the rules.

 

CCP have provided players with a completely legal way of buying ingame currency. However, many people don't want to pay CCP's price, so they decide to buy from 3rd party RMT sites. All 3rd party RMT has been illegal in every MMO I have ever played. The old "but everyone does it" defence is as old as mankind, and utterly useless.

  Murugan

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Joined: 4/18/08
Posts: 1572

3/02/14 4:30:12 AM#6

Serves you right. 

 

Next time try playing the game instead of looking for ways to cheat your way ahead.

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  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5544

3/02/14 5:40:59 AM#7
Bottom line is, there is no legal way to obtain isk for Cash, RMT is illegal in Eve, would have to be a total noob to not  know this. I don't really agree with being able to trade Plex, but its more acceptable than the alternative - and given that Plex cost 50% more to buy than a regular subscription, its a method that CCP seem to have regulated pretty well. OP, you broke the terms of the EULA and you were caught doing so, and are trying to trap people into the same mistake by advertising methods that are supposed to circumvent CCP's security measures, they don't work, and i suspect you know this. And anyone fooled into believing what you say will fall foul of CCP and could lose their account.
  Pratt2112

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Joined: 2/12/12
Posts: 1308

3/02/14 5:55:16 AM#8
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

It never fails to amaze me how many people feel that "the rules don't apply to them" or that they "don't agree with the rules", so they'll just disregard them.

What always completely stuns me however, is when these same people complain when they are punished for not playing by the rules.

Yep. I love it when people come on forums and start telling everyone else what is or isn't okay, according to the "alternate rules" they follow, which are of course, modeled entirely around their own personal circumstances, goals and wants.

Thing is, there's already a set of established rules in place, thoughtfully devised and implemented by the people who actually own and run the game/service I'm playing/using, and who possess the unique ability (unlike the OP) to perma-ban my account if I choose to ignore and replace their rules with my own.

To the OP's credit, in their own misguided way, they're at least attempting to help prevent people from being screwed over by RMT.

So, I guess the overall message from the OP is: "Cheat responsibly". 

 

 

  Bjelar

Novice Member

Joined: 4/07/12
Posts: 384

3/02/14 6:09:39 AM#9

Lol, paying money to people who did nothing to develop or maintain the game is bad? Who would have thunk.

Happy you didn`t get to keep it, though, given you are genuine and not just some broke game developer trying to hurt his nemesis in any little way he can :)

 

  BTrayaL

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Joined: 2/17/08
Posts: 581

3/02/14 6:10:03 AM#10
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

It never fails to amaze me how many people feel that "the rules don't apply to them" or that they "don't agree with the rules", so they'll just disregard them.

What always completely stuns me however, is when these same people complain when they are punished for not playing by the rules.

 

CCP have provided players with a completely legal way of buying ingame currency. However, many people don't want to pay CCP's price, so they decide to buy from 3rd party RMT sites. All 3rd party RMT has been illegal in every MMO I have ever played. The old "but everyone does it" defence is as old as mankind, and utterly useless.

+1 this. Even when provided with a legit way to spend cash for in-game currency, some use shady services and then complain.

  Kuinn

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Joined: 1/10/11
Posts: 2103

3/02/14 6:27:32 AM#11
What's the point of "buying gold" from thirdparty sources in a game where the developer sells ingame currency directly on their own website? It must be seriously cheaper or what?
  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5544

3/02/14 6:36:54 AM#12
Originally posted by Kuinn
What's the point of "buying gold" from thirdparty sources in a game where the developer sells ingame currency directly on their own website? It must be seriously cheaper or what?

CCP do not sell in game currency at all. What they do allow, is for people to buy Plex, and either use it themselves, or trade it in game with other players, for Isk. 

But i do agree, the RMT traders do sell isk cheaper the difference is, if you get caught using them, and eventually they all are, the players who bought the Isk lose that isk, which can cause their in game balance to go into serious negative figures, this can cripple a player as without isk, they cannot buy clones, in game death then means they lose SP's which can set them back literally months/years.. and of course, a repeat offender can lose their account. Its a bit like playing Russian Roulette with most of the barrels loaded with hollow point explosive ammo

  tawess

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Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 2122

3/02/14 6:47:33 AM#13

 

While i am pretty much falling off my chair laughing (reading ToS and EULA is good i heard) i have to wonder if this is not just a sad attempt to market their site as goldbuyers are oblivious any way and only dictated by price.

 

Should this for some reason be true... And my inner devil gleefully hope it is... i hope that the original poster actually learnt a lesson and stay the frack away from gold-sellers from now on... But knowing his/her type my bet is on the nugget moving on to the next "legit" seller.

 

I can only pray that CCP perma-bans his/her arse the next time.

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  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

3/03/14 3:01:05 AM#14
Originally posted by AntiGoldSellerr

"my advise to you however if you are looking to make millions of ISK and got a lot of time to do it just buy a second or third account maybe even 10 accounts on a computer for EVE its not that hard to control 10 accounts."

Why make millions when you could make billions..?

Take that 150 dollars you'd spend on 10 accounts and buy 7 PLEX and then sell that PLEX for 4 billion ISK.

  Squeak69

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Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 972

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3/03/14 3:09:51 AM#15

i dont like gold sellers in fact i outright hate them, but what exactly makes buying ot fro a third party illegal i mean it was earned one way or another or paid for so its not like the company is being cheated, unless of course it was hacked or gained via a exploit, but even then i fail to see how if they could track it to the player who bought it why it wasnt tracked to the person who did it in first place, 

ths sounds like a bad system is in place to me and it should be gone over and altered, it makes no sence to punish people who arnt actully doing anything wrong,

on the flip side incourageing gold traders is never good for the game and i always oppose it, but then its CCPs own fault for haveing a currrency in game with real value thats just stupid.

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  cupofcoffee

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Joined: 6/21/13
Posts: 13

3/03/14 3:21:24 AM#16

My opinion: ppl like that (op) are the reason bots and spammers and hackers exist. Well, each is entitled to 'play' however they want...maybe game devs should implement 'win-buttons' in mmos: Press this for 1000€/$ and you win the game!

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5544

3/03/14 3:22:40 AM#17
Originally posted by Squeak69

i dont like gold sellers in fact i outright hate them, but what exactly makes buying ot fro a third party illegal i mean it was earned one way or another or paid for so its not like the company is being cheated, unless of course it was hacked or gained via a exploit, but even then i fail to see how if they could track it to the player who bought it why it wasnt tracked to the person who did it in first place, 

ths sounds like a bad system is in place to me and it should be gone over and altered, it makes no sence to punish people who arnt actully doing anything wrong,

on the flip side incourageing gold traders is never good for the game and i always oppose it, but then its CCPs own fault for haveing a currrency in game with real value thats just stupid.

Its illegal in all the MMO's i've ever played, and they all have currency that can be considered to have a 'real world' value. Which is why RMT is such a plague on MMO's in general. And its not punishing the 'innocent' as you seem to think, but punishing those who deliberately, and knowingly break the terms of the EULA, which every player agrees to when they start playing these MMO's. One of the reasons why CCP is able to 'police' their own currency, is because they don't have to deal with 'millions' of players, although i can imagine that even 500k must challenge them sometimes, but as all transactions are recorded in game, there is always a 'paper trail' to be followed, sometimes this means that people who helped 'launder' the currency are caught up in the cross fire, but its a price that has to be paid, because failing to do so would wreck Eve's economy.

  uplink4242

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Joined: 8/15/08
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3/03/14 6:13:57 AM#18
The difference between buying from gold sellers compared to regular players is that in the first case you're actually creating gold in the economy (since goldsellers do not disclose their gold anywhere else), and such gold was illegally obtained (from botting, in massive scale). It tends to create inflation.
  GregorMcgregor

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3/03/14 6:27:18 AM#19
Originally posted by Phry
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  ChromeBallz

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3/03/14 7:44:22 AM#20


Originally posted by Squeak69
i dont like gold sellers in fact i outright hate them, but what exactly makes buying ot fro a third party illegal i mean it was earned one way or another or paid for so its not like the company is being cheated, unless of course it was hacked or gained via a exploit, but even then i fail to see how if they could track it to the player who bought it why it wasnt tracked to the person who did it in first place, 

ths sounds like a bad system is in place to me and it should be gone over and altered, it makes no sence to punish people who arnt actully doing anything wrong,

on the flip side incourageing gold traders is never good for the game and i always oppose it, but then its CCPs own fault for haveing a currrency in game with real value thats just stupid.


You do realize that most of the ingame currency those sites sell comes from hacked accounts, right? Why do you think MMO accounts are being hacked so much? It's purely to strip them down and get all the money they can from them, to then sell it to unsuspecting people who don't even think about why gold selling is bad.

Then those people who have bought the gold are hacked. And the gold is once again sold by that same site.


Also, there's a very, VERY simply business reason for why MMO companies HATE gold sellers. Gold sellers are making money from game without having to pay *anything* whatsoever to the MMO company.


The hacking and 'making money over other people's backs' is what makes gold sellers a bad thing in every single conceivable case. You don't even have to go into the ways gold sellers completely destroy ingame economies to see why they are bad.


ALL currency in ALL games has a real world value - They take time to obtain in some form or another. CCP did something very clever with PLEX though where you can buy one for game time, but you can also sell it for ingame isk - The trick is that this isk doesn't come from nowhere, it has to be earned ingame for someone to spend it on a PLEX. This is the way the time spent to earn the isk can be seen as a real world value, it's consequence of the method used rather than a goal.

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