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  Squeak69

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2/24/14 12:49:19 PM#41
Originally posted by Aeonblades

The game has moved firmly into the P2W grinder camp. Either you grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant/make enough gold to get by, or you get a full time job and buy gems and convert to gold, which is the better option. 1 day of work at minimum wage makes you roughly a months worth of gold from farming in game. This is broken. This is a completely broken system.

 

That's not by accident, ArenaNet is not to blame for this, but their parent company NC$oft however, is. Good luck with WildStar and the inevitable cash grab it becomes as well if you are looking forward to it, because as soon as they figure out it's not a WoWkiller, it's going to become another cash grab style dagger in your back grinder.

ya thats one of the reason im staying away from wildstar that i really didnt want to mention, is the fear of what NCsoft did to it.

also im till bitter about CoX R.I.P.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  saurus123

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2/24/14 1:01:39 PM#42
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Beelzebobbie
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Zetsuei

As someone who went from WoW to GW2 I can easily say the Gem Store in its current state is easily acceptable and fine. You have Wow which is a monthly fee AND they cut content from game and let you buy for ridiculous amounts. GW2 pumps FREE content out on such a fast pace you easily get your moneys worth.

 

Azurrel who says gold is hard to get is correct though, and that is intended. It lets gold keep value and not get to stupid amounts like WoW which is easily in the millions. The fact ANY player can get gold and buy items from the cash shop is a extra bonus. You don't NEED any items in there, they are a bonus if you decide you want it, whether that;s with real money or gold.

 

WoW cutting out game content and making you pay for it? Really? Pets and mounts that are few and  no better than everything found in game, equals game content to you? Getting that desperate, are we?

If you are that desperate to defend GW2's item shop by erroniously comparing it to WoW's, come back when WoW's item shop lets you pay for resources, perks, boosts, convient fast travel items, content area's etc like GW2's does lol.

well 60 dollars gives you a lvl 90 char.

No it doesn't.

it does http://i.imgur.com/mnqr5dZ.png

  saurus123

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2/24/14 1:04:43 PM#43
Originally posted by Aeonblades

The game has moved firmly into the P2W grinder camp. Either you grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant/make enough gold to get by, or you get a full time job and buy gems and convert to gold, which is the better option. 1 day of work at minimum wage makes you roughly a months worth of gold from farming in game. This is broken. This is a completely broken system.

 

That's not by accident, ArenaNet is not to blame for this, but their parent company NC$oft however, is. Good luck with WildStar and the inevitable cash grab it becomes as well if you are looking forward to it, because as soon as they figure out it's not a WoWkiller, it's going to become another cash grab style dagger in your back grinder.

 

but you grind for what? can you tell me?

for legendary? its optional

ascended gear? they are easy to get if you play the game and do stuff doesnt req any grind

i got like 10 boxes with ascended gear in like 2 weeks just playing 2-3 hours a day

 
  doodphace

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2/24/14 1:05:40 PM#44
Originally posted by saurus123
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Beelzebobbie
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Zetsuei

As someone who went from WoW to GW2 I can easily say the Gem Store in its current state is easily acceptable and fine. You have Wow which is a monthly fee AND they cut content from game and let you buy for ridiculous amounts. GW2 pumps FREE content out on such a fast pace you easily get your moneys worth.

 

Azurrel who says gold is hard to get is correct though, and that is intended. It lets gold keep value and not get to stupid amounts like WoW which is easily in the millions. The fact ANY player can get gold and buy items from the cash shop is a extra bonus. You don't NEED any items in there, they are a bonus if you decide you want it, whether that;s with real money or gold.

 

WoW cutting out game content and making you pay for it? Really? Pets and mounts that are few and  no better than everything found in game, equals game content to you? Getting that desperate, are we?

If you are that desperate to defend GW2's item shop by erroniously comparing it to WoW's, come back when WoW's item shop lets you pay for resources, perks, boosts, convient fast travel items, content area's etc like GW2's does lol.

well 60 dollars gives you a lvl 90 char.

No it doesn't.

it does http://i.imgur.com/mnqr5dZ.png

Thats not on live servers...it was there for like 10 min after the servers came back up after maintance, and was unusable and removed almost immediatly. Simple research would have shown you that, but I guess you couldn't be bothered and just wanted to flame....$60 was also the temp PTR listing, Blizz has never confirmed how much it will cost, it may end up being 60, it might be less, we don't know yet. All items that appeared on the PTR were listed as more expensive than when it went live.

This discussion keeps getting better lol. I wonder how many more posts will say that WoW allows you to buy max level toons, while talking in the past or current tense.

  Sk1ppeR

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Joined: 4/29/12
Posts: 534

2/24/14 1:14:08 PM#45
Originally posted by Aeonblades

The game has moved firmly into the P2W grinder camp. Either you grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant/make enough gold to get by, or you get a full time job and buy gems and convert to gold, which is the better option. 1 day of work at minimum wage makes you roughly a months worth of gold from farming in game. This is broken. This is a completely broken system.

 

That's not by accident, ArenaNet is not to blame for this, but their parent company NC$oft however, is. Good luck with WildStar and the inevitable cash grab it becomes as well if you are looking forward to it, because as soon as they figure out it's not a WoWkiller, it's going to become another cash grab style dagger in your back grinder.

I think you should see a doctor you seem depressed.

What do you mean exactly by "grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant" o.O 

It's not like they introduce new tiers of gear every other month or something. Exotic is still pretty much the best armor around. I have my exotic armor a month after headstart. I'm soloing Lupicus and kill decent amount of people in WvW in 1vs3 fights or in zerg vs zerg with that very same armor (I only swapped stats once!). Your first sentence makes your opinion irrelevant and more of a whiny post than a constructive criticism. I honestly a single item in the cash shop that would give me the edge over another experienced player in any of the game modes that Guild Wars 2 provides. 

 

I can't comment on WildStar since I haven't even been in the beta or something, but there are plenty of interviews with Colin Johanson where he is thankful to NCSoft for not adding pressure to ArenaNET. 

 

Hating much? 

  Sk1ppeR

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Joined: 4/29/12
Posts: 534

2/24/14 1:22:55 PM#46
Originally posted by Volenibblets
No, they cant blame the gem shop. It's its general lack of a soul, the lack of defined roles for ppl to sink their teeth into and the absence of any point in progressing through the game once the exploration novelty wears off...none of it feels like it hangs together...despite the amazing job they did on the graphics and art design.

I'm having tanky and dps characters, all of my girlfriend's characters are supporters either through CC or healing.

Believe it or not such stuff exist in Guild Wars 2. I guess you are just too busy mashing random keys to notice that.

Here's an open challenge. I'll play with tanky guardian/warrior and I want you to defeat me with your razor blazing OP berserker warrior if you insist. Show me how there is no tanky role and there is no damage mitigating roles :) 

If you are up though, I can bring my girlfriend for heal support if you think there is no viable healer in this game :O 

  GeezerGamer

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Posts: 4630

2/24/14 1:30:36 PM#47
I think the gem store is ok. I dislike them in MMOs overall, however, as far as this one goes, it's not terrible. I do use it, I buy gems, I treat it like it's my Sub so I don't go overboard. There is nothing in the shop that will break anyone else's game so I don't consider it P2W. But there are some issues. The biggest problem surrounding the shop is the Gold/Gem market. But this problem isn't really about the shop itself. I think the gold issue in the game right now is being caused by power trading. A wealthy few have controlled the game's economy and have ruined it. One of the worst parts of the game now is the fact that it actually costs more to craft an item than to buy it. Even if you have the mats stored up, you'd be better off selling just enough to exchange for the item you want. If I wasn't in the process of hoarding mats to make ascended, I don't think I'd ever even keep a crafting mat in my possession. They'd have been sold off immediately.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  AI724

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Joined: 7/30/08
Posts: 194

2/24/14 1:49:55 PM#48

"Is the Gem Store Ruining Guild Wars 2?" was designed to get you in here and read, I'll admit."

 

-You got me!

 

"Have you purchased anything from the gem store?  What is your favorite, or least favorite, item in the gem store? "

 

-I enjoy playing the game and enjoy trading gold for Gems to buy items from Gem Store. I have bought:

1. 3 extra character slots

2. Total makeover kit 

3. Aetherblades armor Medium skins

4. Black Lion chest Keys (regretted doing so, didn't get anything worth the 50 gold spent and       will never do that again!)

 

-Spent real cash to buy Gems because I didn't have the time to play or farm the gold and the below  items were going away from Gem Store.

1. Toxic Shoulder and Gloves skins (Cash for Gems)

  eyelolled

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Posts: 3086

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2/24/14 2:16:37 PM#49
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
Originally posted by Aeonblades

The game has moved firmly into the P2W grinder camp. Either you grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant/make enough gold to get by, or you get a full time job and buy gems and convert to gold, which is the better option. 1 day of work at minimum wage makes you roughly a months worth of gold from farming in game. This is broken. This is a completely broken system.

 

That's not by accident, ArenaNet is not to blame for this, but their parent company NC$oft however, is. Good luck with WildStar and the inevitable cash grab it becomes as well if you are looking forward to it, because as soon as they figure out it's not a WoWkiller, it's going to become another cash grab style dagger in your back grinder.

I think you should see a doctor you seem depressed.

What do you mean exactly by "grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant" o.O 

It's not like they introduce new tiers of gear every other month or something. Exotic is still pretty much the best armor around. I have my exotic armor a month after headstart. I'm soloing Lupicus and kill decent amount of people in WvW in 1vs3 fights or in zerg vs zerg with that very same armor (I only swapped stats once!). Your first sentence makes your opinion irrelevant and more of a whiny post than a constructive criticism. I honestly a single item in the cash shop that would give me the edge over another experienced player in any of the game modes that Guild Wars 2 provides. 

 

I can't comment on WildStar since I haven't even been in the beta or something, but there are plenty of interviews with Colin Johanson where he is thankful to NCSoft for not adding pressure to ArenaNET. 

 

Hating much? 

^^THIS^^

 

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  jircris

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2/24/14 2:19:55 PM#50
I have played many, many, MANY mmos in my past and honestly GW2's gem store is by far one of the more acceptable ones i have seen. I personally wanted the airship pass that came out for 5 days. i ran escape from Lions arch and got the gems to get it. it took about 7 hours to farm the 90gold but it was worth it. Is the item game changing? not at all it lets me go to an air ship that has crafters/banks/re-trainer/mystic forage and guild npcs. its more of "i'm to lazy to run to town" the armor skins ad nothing other then a look. and TBH i find most lvl 79 armor looks better. They do not let you pay for levels. you can trade gems for gold but its also gold for gems. You cant buy those cool weapons "legendary" ones sure you can spend 300-400 bucks on gems turn it in to gold and spend 2.3k on one but why bother? farming is not tough nor boring. If your smart you can actually make money off of the gem network. i had 300 gems on me a week ago i sold them the first day the new items came out and got 12gold to 100 gems. normal is 5-6gold per 100. Then when it dropped down to 7gold per 100 gems i went ahead and bought gems. i'm not sitting on 500 gems and happy.
  aesperus

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2/24/14 2:28:53 PM#51

It's bad enough that this same flame topic gets regurgitated every month or so for over a year now. Now this site is actively helping to perpetuate this crap? The whole P2W discussion has been argued to death already. Many times. Over, and over again. This horse is so dead he doesn't even have a skeleton by this point.

The game is only P2W if you consider 'having a cash shop' as the same thing. And by that logic, literally every MMO on the market currently would be 'p2w'. Subscription, or no. There's enough of a hate bandwagon going on already on this site. Why add more to the pile?

I get the desire to get people to read your columns, but this is getting ridiculous.

  Aeonblades

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2/24/14 3:10:48 PM#52
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
Originally posted by Aeonblades

The game has moved firmly into the P2W grinder camp. Either you grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant/make enough gold to get by, or you get a full time job and buy gems and convert to gold, which is the better option. 1 day of work at minimum wage makes you roughly a months worth of gold from farming in game. This is broken. This is a completely broken system.

 

That's not by accident, ArenaNet is not to blame for this, but their parent company NC$oft however, is. Good luck with WildStar and the inevitable cash grab it becomes as well if you are looking forward to it, because as soon as they figure out it's not a WoWkiller, it's going to become another cash grab style dagger in your back grinder.

I think you should see a doctor you seem depressed.

What do you mean exactly by "grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant" o.O 

It's not like they introduce new tiers of gear every other month or something. Exotic is still pretty much the best armor around. I have my exotic armor a month after headstart. I'm soloing Lupicus and kill decent amount of people in WvW in 1vs3 fights or in zerg vs zerg with that very same armor (I only swapped stats once!). Your first sentence makes your opinion irrelevant and more of a whiny post than a constructive criticism. I honestly a single item in the cash shop that would give me the edge over another experienced player in any of the game modes that Guild Wars 2 provides. 

 

I can't comment on WildStar since I haven't even been in the beta or something, but there are plenty of interviews with Colin Johanson where he is thankful to NCSoft for not adding pressure to ArenaNET. 

 

Hating much? 

 

It it was it is, I have my opinion and others will have their own. It's perfectly fine for you to disagree with me. Not depressed at all, still play GW2 from time to time for the WvW till AvA comes out, so as an active player, no there is no hate for the game, just my opinion on where the game is and where it is headed. No need to be rude just because you disagree.

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  stevebombsquad

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2/24/14 3:14:20 PM#53
Originally posted by Aeonblades
Originally posted by Sk1ppeR
Originally posted by Aeonblades

The game has moved firmly into the P2W grinder camp. Either you grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant/make enough gold to get by, or you get a full time job and buy gems and convert to gold, which is the better option. 1 day of work at minimum wage makes you roughly a months worth of gold from farming in game. This is broken. This is a completely broken system.

 

That's not by accident, ArenaNet is not to blame for this, but their parent company NC$oft however, is. Good luck with WildStar and the inevitable cash grab it becomes as well if you are looking forward to it, because as soon as they figure out it's not a WoWkiller, it's going to become another cash grab style dagger in your back grinder.

I think you should see a doctor you seem depressed.

What do you mean exactly by "grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant" o.O 

It's not like they introduce new tiers of gear every other month or something. Exotic is still pretty much the best armor around. I have my exotic armor a month after headstart. I'm soloing Lupicus and kill decent amount of people in WvW in 1vs3 fights or in zerg vs zerg with that very same armor (I only swapped stats once!). Your first sentence makes your opinion irrelevant and more of a whiny post than a constructive criticism. I honestly a single item in the cash shop that would give me the edge over another experienced player in any of the game modes that Guild Wars 2 provides. 

 

I can't comment on WildStar since I haven't even been in the beta or something, but there are plenty of interviews with Colin Johanson where he is thankful to NCSoft for not adding pressure to ArenaNET. 

 

Hating much? 

 

It it was it is, I have my opinion and others will have their own. It's perfectly fine for you to disagree with me. Not depressed at all, still play GW2 from time to time for the WvW till AvA comes out, so as an active player, no there is no hate for the game, just my opinion on where the game is and where it is headed. No need to be rude just because you disagree.

I think you have a point. I think that ESO is going to hurt the GW2 population, at least in the beginning. It may in the long run too if the AvA is engaging enough. Right now, there isn't a comparable game for WvW......

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  Bloodaxes

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2/24/14 3:44:51 PM#54
Apart of the transmutation item that let's you change appearance/stats of a lvl 80 armour/weapon being only acquirable with gems (Since the free version only works on armour/weapons 1-79) and bags/bank upgrades can only be get with gems (Which I was luckily in the launch of the game and managed to transfer some gold to gems when the ratio was much more fair nowadays it takes so much gold to even get a mesly 100 gems it's insane) there's nothing really that screams pay to win for me...

  ingram091

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2/24/14 4:09:22 PM#55

I say Yes it has, and for this main reason.  It has lost for ArenaNet the Incentive to Expand or Die.  Frankly Guildwars 1 was a far superior game to GW2 for the main reason that expansions existed and that constantly made the game more rich and diverse in skills for a team.  That and the larger teams as a standard of 8 as opposed to 5 made it possible for a guild to have quality time in dungeons during all aspects of the game Not just during EotN.  Indeed factions having a land domination mode made th game Far more enjoyable then this living world BS they are pushing into everyone’s face, Because it had World changing goals that mattered.  Blocking off one faction from progress until they either switched factions or fought their way back.  Factions Dungeon realms were the prize for domination.  BUt I digress.  The Gem store in and of itself does not ruin the game, but it does ruin incentives for profit by NCSoft specifically.  ArenaNet initially had plans to EXPAND the lands of Tyria as they did in GW 1, to make quarterly profits.  Then NCSoft came along and demanded micro transactions, and we got em.  That showed they could sit back and do MINIMAL development with ZERO game expansion or added skills or classes and still make money.  Just make a new skin, about a 3 or 4 day task and make hundreds of thousands from that.   Now do that every few months or so and you make millions.  Absent any real development at all happening in your game.   So Yes IMHO the GEM store in GW2 is destroying the games POTENTIAL when compared to GW1 which saw expansions in new territories to explore, new classes to develop and most importantly new skills to add to your builds over time.  Profession mixes in GW1 keeps that game relevant and fun even today.  GW2 on the other hand is quickly becoming a dust collector on far to many shelve because its nothing but a bunch of been there done that content...  Even the limited living world concept makes it very hard to come back in when its only there for a few weeks and in REAL LIFE a few weeks means you may get ot participate in it what maybe 1 or 2 times at best because of things like WORK!    Sorry the entire gem store really does in my option is support a publisher that has no desire to allow Arenanet the ability to develop and expand their game content;  That guilty culprit is NCSoft, the likes of which is only equaled in its ability to kill franchises by EA games.  You want to see a real success with GW2?  Untie Anets hands and remove NCSoft from the picture.  Then and only then will you see what this game can do for the MMORPG genre.

Oh and for the record, the only things I found of value on the Gem store thus far has been the Bank tab expansions, personal inventory expansions, 1 quiver skin for my ranger, The indestructible Pick for resource gathering, and thats about it...  I am still sitting on the wasted 2800 gems leftover from launch that I bought expecting eventually to see DLC offerings on the gem store which never came.  I'm willing to bet in another 12 months I will still have 2800 Gems sitting cause they still will not have produced more quality account wide services, or expansions or skills via DLCs.  Even the ability to use different weapons on other classes would be SOMETHING, but no couldnt be bothered could they? 

 
 
  askdaboss

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2/24/14 4:31:16 PM#56
Originally posted by Aeonblades

The game has moved firmly into the P2W grinder camp. Either you grind for 12 hours a day to be relevant/make enough gold to get by, or you get a full time job and buy gems and convert to gold, which is the better option. 1 day of work at minimum wage makes you roughly a months worth of gold from farming in game. This is broken. This is a completely broken system.

So your point is that you don't want to get a job then? Good for you.

Or am I missing something?

  timidobserver

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2/24/14 4:42:39 PM#57
Yes, the Gem Store is killing the game for it. It seems like the Gem Store is driving the content rather than the other way around. They release new content for the purpose of driving people to buy the new "limited time" crap that is in cash shop.
  Tsumoro

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2/24/14 4:44:40 PM#58

The cash shop didn't turn me away from GW2 but rather the game itself did. Now, I personally don't have a problem with cash shops, after all I do understand it is a business and it needs to sustain itself. However the lock boxes that drop from games are a constant annoyance, kinda like a passive aggressive nudge to buy more from them. 

The game itself just didn't feel very nice to play for me, I disliked that no matter where I was and what gear I had on I was normalized based on location. Which, is fine for some things, but for me it killed the sense of 'progression'. It would of been better if they just did away with the levels and went from there. 

  Training_Dummy

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2/24/14 5:03:35 PM#59
Funny to see who answers the rhetorical, click-baiting question.  I HAVE AN OPINION AND NO TIME TO READ
  Hariken

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2/24/14 6:03:49 PM#60
Originally posted by Zzad

The stuff they sell in the gem store is not pay to win and that´s for sure.

You can play all you want,enjoy all content in the game & be as competitive as evereone else without expending a single coin BUT i really dislike how all the patches are somehow centered/structured the same way over achievements & gem store.

It doesn´t bother me that much anyway...since it doesn´t have subscription fees.

This article is just silly. Of all the cash shops in mmo's GW2's is zero pay to win. And the stuff is mostly cosmetic.  This is just to start a debate thread for haters of the game. Nice try lol.

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