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  Lahuzer

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3/14/14 2:44:28 PM#41
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Nephaerius
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188

This quote from the programmer (this week) should really put the silly and futile argument to bed.  For those wondering Myrland is the current continent so he is talking about screenshots of the current continent with the new engine:

  1. Sebastian PerssonDeveloper

     

    Agamenon said: ?

     

    Thanks.

    When we see any screens about, new engine,TC and the new continent?

    I could take a SS of the new Myrland but it's not finished at all and I'm not sure it will do the upgrade justice.

    #1777

     

     
    No matter how hard a select few try to gloss over things, facts will always come out.
     

He says it ain't finished and the screens the guy want, will not do the new engine upgrade justice. What's wrong with that? This just shows the engine upgrade is done to test server, but since it ain't completed, the screenshot wouldn't show the engine upgrade in full bloom.

 

I cannot follow this logic so I will just let them stand (along with the financial chart) for folks to evaluate on their own.

What logic? It's right there in the quote you posted. Pretty straight forward if you ask me. It's alittle funny when you call it fact, when it speaks in favor of what me and others said all along. So, I'm fine with letting these facts stand...

If the engine upgrade is launched then it should be done right?  Oh wait.....  I forgot launched meant we have an incomplete version of it on the test server....

You understand that.  I understand that.  99.9% of the population understand that.  Some people want to debate what the meaning of "is", is.  Best not to argue and just let folks read what was written above.  It speaks for itself.

No. Why should it be done? It's launched to test server, like they've said, and they work on fixing Myrland on the new engine. It's not like the entire enviroment automatically gets a makeover by itself... Hence "I could take a SS of the new Myrland but it's not finished at all and I'm not sure it will do the upgrade justice".

  Raxxo82

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3/14/14 3:08:17 PM#42
When I played MO about a year ago it was very, VERY buggy and had ALOT of issues. Nonetheless I havent had as fun in a mmorpg since my first time in a MMO (EQ1). The danger I felt when running through commonlands, or Oasis as a newb came back to me in MO. Why? Cause in MO they just throw you into a world full of dangers and adventures. No, - go here and talk to this dude, then pick 5 pretty flowers. In MO if u are a social misfit who is afraid of asking others for direction, the learning curve will be steap to say the least. Next week Im gonna reopen my MO account and play til EQNext comes out. Then when I get tired of devs holding my hand ( yes they will in eqN) I ll jump into MO and get my head chopped off and my loot n gear stolen :). Yes full, ffa pvp action were dying actually means something. Was thinking of trying ESO, but after seeing more or less all the pvp clips coming out it just looks sooo horrible. GW2 much...just yuck! For PvE I hope EQN will be enboyable enough for me to stick to, for pvp, its gonna be MO.

  Lahuzer

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3/14/14 3:13:31 PM#43
Originally posted by Raxxo82
When I played MO about a year ago it was very, VERY buggy and had ALOT of issues. Nonetheless I havent had as fun in a mmorpg since my first time in a MMO (EQ1). The danger I felt when running through commonlands, or Oasis as a newb came back to me in MO. Why? Cause in MO they just throw you into a world full of dangers and adventures. No, - go here and talk to this dude, then pick 5 pretty flowers. In MO if u are a social misfit who is afraid of asking others for direction, the learning curve will be steap to say the least. Next week Im gonna reopen my MO account and play til EQNext comes out. Then when I get tired of devs holding my hand ( yes they will in eqN) I ll jump into MO and get my head chopped off and my loot n gear stolen :). Yes full, ffa pvp action were dying actually means something. Was thinking of trying ESO, but after seeing more or less all the pvp clips coming out it just looks sooo horrible. GW2 much...just yuck! For PvE I hope EQN will be enboyable enough for me to stick to, for pvp, its gonna be MO.

You should keep a eye on The Repopulation and Shroud of the Avatar as well. I think they can bring something to the sandbox table as well. But once this engine upgrade go live with MO, it's gonna be nice to see how it will be.

  Slapshot1188

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OP  3/14/14 3:33:15 PM#44
 

You should keep a eye on The Repopulation and Shroud of the Avatar as well. I think they can bring something to the sandbox table as well. But once this engine upgrade go live with MO, it's gonna be nice to see how it will be.

History tells us what will happen with the engine upgrade.  They have done this twice in the past...  we know how it ends up.

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  Lahuzer

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3/14/14 3:39:59 PM#45
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
 

You should keep a eye on The Repopulation and Shroud of the Avatar as well. I think they can bring something to the sandbox table as well. But once this engine upgrade go live with MO, it's gonna be nice to see how it will be.

History tells us what will happen with the engine upgrade.  They have done this twice in the past...  we know how it ends up.

 

Hey... Third time's a charm right? ;)

  Slapshot1188

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OP  3/14/14 3:58:05 PM#46
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
 

You should keep a eye on The Repopulation and Shroud of the Avatar as well. I think they can bring something to the sandbox table as well. But once this engine upgrade go live with MO, it's gonna be nice to see how it will be.

History tells us what will happen with the engine upgrade.  They have done this twice in the past...  we know how it ends up.

 

Hey... Third time's a charm right? ;)

I was thinking more along the lines of "Fool me once shame on you.  Fool me twice shame on me.  Fool me a 3rd time..."

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  Lahuzer

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3/14/14 4:34:52 PM#47
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
 

You should keep a eye on The Repopulation and Shroud of the Avatar as well. I think they can bring something to the sandbox table as well. But once this engine upgrade go live with MO, it's gonna be nice to see how it will be.

History tells us what will happen with the engine upgrade.  They have done this twice in the past...  we know how it ends up.

 

Hey... Third time's a charm right? ;)

I was thinking more along the lines of "Fool me once shame on you.  Fool me twice shame on me.  Fool me a 3rd time..."

 

They aren't fooling any1. Any1 can test the updates now. Won't cost any1 a penny. If you had to pay for the game again, then I could buy the "fool me once"-thingy. But now I don't think you can get fooled. Sure, you may loose some time invested. But that's the price you have to pay for testing it. But I can't imagine you testing it since you hate MO/SV so much. So don't worry bout that. Your "safe". And can't even be fooled if they were fooling around. :P

  Slapshot1188

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OP  3/14/14 4:47:40 PM#48
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
 

You should keep a eye on The Repopulation and Shroud of the Avatar as well. I think they can bring something to the sandbox table as well. But once this engine upgrade go live with MO, it's gonna be nice to see how it will be.

History tells us what will happen with the engine upgrade.  They have done this twice in the past...  we know how it ends up.

 

Hey... Third time's a charm right? ;)

I was thinking more along the lines of "Fool me once shame on you.  Fool me twice shame on me.  Fool me a 3rd time..."

 

They aren't fooling any1. Any1 can test the updates now. Won't cost any1 a penny. If you had to pay for the game again, then I could buy the "fool me once"-thingy. But now I don't think you can get fooled. Sure, you may loose some time invested. But that's the price you have to pay for testing it. But I can't imagine you testing it since you hate MO/SV so much. So don't worry bout that. Your "safe". And can't even be fooled if they were fooling around. :P

So again I will leave it to the readers to see what I wrote, what it referred to, and your response.  It's almost like having two separate conversations...

 

 

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  Lahuzer

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3/14/14 5:08:42 PM#49
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by Slapshot1188
 

You should keep a eye on The Repopulation and Shroud of the Avatar as well. I think they can bring something to the sandbox table as well. But once this engine upgrade go live with MO, it's gonna be nice to see how it will be.

History tells us what will happen with the engine upgrade.  They have done this twice in the past...  we know how it ends up.

 

Hey... Third time's a charm right? ;)

I was thinking more along the lines of "Fool me once shame on you.  Fool me twice shame on me.  Fool me a 3rd time..."

 

They aren't fooling any1. Any1 can test the updates now. Won't cost any1 a penny. If you had to pay for the game again, then I could buy the "fool me once"-thingy. But now I don't think you can get fooled. Sure, you may loose some time invested. But that's the price you have to pay for testing it. But I can't imagine you testing it since you hate MO/SV so much. So don't worry bout that. Your "safe". And can't even be fooled if they were fooling around. :P

So again I will leave it to the readers to see what I wrote, what it referred to, and your response.  It's almost like having two separate conversations...

 

 

[mod edit] You may think our words hold some weight and meaning. But MO ain't ESO, WoW etc. It's a nisch game. And will always be. It's extremly fun to read for instance Shroud forums and their talk on PVP and how it should be. And how most PVE peeps hate open world PVP with full loot. It's like a plague. So games like MO, will never get a big crowd. Sure if engine upgrades and steam etc goes well, they might have enough to at least make some profit. And if they do that 1-2 years from now. SV will be happy. And they won't sell their soul to get more peeps playing the game they wanna make. Like making 100% safe zones ala DFUW etc. They have sticked to their vision and I respect them for that. And GOD knows we don't need more themepark crap games. 

But right there ^ it almost went into two conversations. But before my little sidestep there, we were still talking bout the engine upgrade weren't we? Or did I miss something? Where was the second convo?

  brunofilip123

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3/20/14 12:09:21 PM#50

Sad to see Starvault sinking even deeper down... they are quite a shady company, in my personal opinion, but MO was extrodionary sandbox, and still is! But, many bugs aren't still fixed, and it is still felling pretty much unpolished, so I'll bide my time. Oh and riding must be much more "easy going" then waht is right now, it's not enjoyable much right now .

They had lied numerous times (veteran rewards etc. etc. etc.) ,GM's were sometimes helping the factions and so on and on, but the PvP aspect was tremendous ,even the PvE was great too.

Steam won't save this game, in my opinion, but I hope I'm wrong, which time will definitely show.

 

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3/24/14 1:55:26 AM#51

"Bide your time" and "time will show" ?????

It's been out almost  4 years 

  blurtblurter

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3/24/14 2:48:35 AM#52
To be fair many indi companies go through these problems starting up a game, largely due to low start up finance, it would be nice if they could get loans but there is no capital to secure on. So they forced into this cycle which is frustrating for the fans.

Now a lose of 1.3m (not sure if this counts any start-up investments) is actually chicken feed considering what other games have to start-up with, e.g. SotA has 3.5m in donations and this is not counting KSer.

All these numbers are large which brings me to my next point; The majority of indi games produced are generally done by a group of enthusiasts that have an assortment of skills ranging in the game development fields but little consideration to Project planning, E business commerce, Psychology/Ergonomics. Now you do not need to employ these people full time but have them as consultants with weekly meetings with all the lead developers. It is important to make sure what money you do make does not slip though your fingers in wasted effort.
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