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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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2/18/14 10:06:50 AM#21
Considering how bad the public chat was in that game the last time I checked it, full of racism, misogyny, drug related crap, even bordering on pedophilia sometimes, I would have thought it's really hard to get banned from that game. Apparently, they don't ban for the worst offenses, but for the ones they feel like it will cost them the less paying customers.

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  handlewithcare

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2/18/14 10:08:32 AM#22
ill only play terra if I can skip the levelling.
  Dibdabs

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2/18/14 11:25:09 AM#23
We're supposed to care about your problem, OP, is that it?  Why exactly?  
  ParmesanStick

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Joined: 2/18/14
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OP  2/18/14 11:37:46 AM#24
Originally posted by Dibdabs
We're supposed to care about your problem, OP, is that it?  Why exactly?  

Well, I am not asking you to care I asked thoughts. I am not looking for sympathy. I was saying I believe i was singled out for sharing account information.

 

En Masse Entertainment refunded my $40.00 I spent for EMP. Which is in game currancy.

 And to anyone saying about you didn't follow the TOS and got banned better learn from that.

 

Like anyone goes threw and reads word for word the whole TOS and follows every word down to the letter.

 

I am just saying being singled out for sharing Account Info 1 time is a Banishment I just think that is a little harsh.

  Ghern

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2/18/14 11:44:11 AM#25

This isn't about who or how many people read the TOS line for line. The majority of us do not.

It is about when all of us click the little box that says we accept the terms of that wall of text and if we violate it we could be banned.

They are not grading on a curve here. You cannot look at others and say that person wasn't banned for this or for that.

EnMasse saw what you did, it violated their TOS and they chose to ban you.

You are just going to have to swallow it and accept responsibiilty for your own actions and move on.

  GeezerGamer

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2/18/14 11:48:51 AM#26

What makes you think it's within your right to violate the terms of service? 

  elvigy

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2/18/14 11:50:36 AM#27
Originally posted by Ghern

This isn't about who or how many people read the TOS line for line. The majority of us do not.

It is about when all of us click the little box that says we accept the terms of that wall of text and if we violate it we could be banned.

They are not grading on a curve here. You cannot look at others and say that person wasn't banned for this or for that.

EnMasse saw what you did, it violated their TOS and they chose to ban you.

You are just going to have to swallow it and accept responsibiilty for your own actions and move on.

This. If you get a speeding ticket for going too fast in your car, it really doesn't matter whether 100 other cars fly past you at 100mph. You got the ticket, not them. You have to deal with it.

  ParmesanStick

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OP  2/18/14 12:07:02 PM#28
Originally posted by elvigy
Originally posted by Ghern

This isn't about who or how many people read the TOS line for line. The majority of us do not.

It is about when all of us click the little box that says we accept the terms of that wall of text and if we violate it we could be banned.

They are not grading on a curve here. You cannot look at others and say that person wasn't banned for this or for that.

EnMasse saw what you did, it violated their TOS and they chose to ban you.

You are just going to have to swallow it and accept responsibiilty for your own actions and move on.

This. If you get a speeding ticket for going too fast in your car, it really doesn't matter whether 100 other cars fly past you at 100mph. You got the ticket, not them. You have to deal with it.

That was by far the best analogy I have seen and do like that. That is one that makes a lot more sense then "TOS states" .

 

But as far as the other guy saying "We all click the button to accept"  That there is the problem and THAT is why it is not a Legal binding contract.  So who ever wants to preach to high heaven about how they are right over their TOS.

You may be right they can set any rule they wish and can enforce any rule they want on whom ever they choose to. But in their TOS does not state a penalty nor infraction which will incur if you choose to share account information.  Why would you assume on the first strike it would be a Permanent Ban?

 

To the person that said sharing with someone and then having that person take something from you and claiming you been "hacked" when you clearly let someone on your account. Now this is something that the TOS states. They are not Liable as they advise you not to share accounts. That is simple. More like "Oh you lost Items Tough Shit" not "OH you let yourself be vulnerable, here never play our game again" . 

  Ghern

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2/18/14 12:10:18 PM#29
Originally posted by ParmesanStick
Originally posted by elvigy
Originally posted by Ghern

This isn't about who or how many people read the TOS line for line. The majority of us do not.

It is about when all of us click the little box that says we accept the terms of that wall of text and if we violate it we could be banned.

They are not grading on a curve here. You cannot look at others and say that person wasn't banned for this or for that.

EnMasse saw what you did, it violated their TOS and they chose to ban you.

You are just going to have to swallow it and accept responsibiilty for your own actions and move on.

This. If you get a speeding ticket for going too fast in your car, it really doesn't matter whether 100 other cars fly past you at 100mph. You got the ticket, not them. You have to deal with it.

 Why would you assume on the first strike it would be a Permanent Ban?

 

 

Why would you assume it would not?

  DSWBeef

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2/18/14 12:14:45 PM#30
I kn ow sharing accounts is against TOS in many games but ive never really seen it be enforced Ive shared my account with people before. Hell a friend of mine to is in school for engineering asked if I could level one of his wow chars. I did so as a gift. its a stupid rule IMO. As long as you arnt getting paid to do so on a shared account then it should be fine.

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  Gdemami

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2/18/14 12:26:16 PM#31


Originally posted by ParmesanStick

Like anyone goes threw and reads word for word the whole TOS and follows every word down to the letter.

Ignorance is no excuse.

  GeezerGamer

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2/18/14 12:26:31 PM#32

Sharing accounts?

I actually tried to read some of that message you posted. 

It specifically referenced Real Money Transaction.

So what's the real story?

  Phry

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2/18/14 12:32:54 PM#33
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Sharing accounts?

I actually tried to read some of that message you posted. 

It specifically referenced Real Money Transaction.

So what's the real story?

it looks like he bought the account and was caught, one of the many perils of dealing with RMT'ers, anyone who does risks losing the account in question, in most games not just TERA. Kind of wonder, which is the OP more annoyed with, getting the account banned, or realising the money he paid for it was wasted ?

  GeezerGamer

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2/18/14 12:44:47 PM#34
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Sharing accounts?

I actually tried to read some of that message you posted. 

It specifically referenced Real Money Transaction.

So what's the real story?

it looks like he bought the account and was caught, one of the many perils of dealing with RMT'ers, anyone who does risks losing the account in question, in most games not just TERA. Kind of wonder, which is the OP more annoyed with, getting the account banned, or realising the money he paid for it was wasted ?

At the end of the day, it boils down to

He broke the rules

He got caught

Have a nice day.

  Naowut

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Joined: 1/17/07
Posts: 664

2/18/14 12:45:01 PM#35

Me and my friends always share accounts and never had any problems, not even on Terra.

#1 Youre telling the truth - I feel bad for you.

#2 You bought the account - Haha!

 

Either way, you should be glad you got the 40 back and move on.

  Deadlyne

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Joined: 12/19/10
Posts: 236

2/18/14 12:59:05 PM#36
Originally posted by ParmesanStick
Originally posted by elvigy
Originally posted by Ghern

This isn't about who or how many people read the TOS line for line. The majority of us do not.

It is about when all of us click the little box that says we accept the terms of that wall of text and if we violate it we could be banned.

They are not grading on a curve here. You cannot look at others and say that person wasn't banned for this or for that.

EnMasse saw what you did, it violated their TOS and they chose to ban you.

You are just going to have to swallow it and accept responsibiilty for your own actions and move on.

This. If you get a speeding ticket for going too fast in your car, it really doesn't matter whether 100 other cars fly past you at 100mph. You got the ticket, not them. You have to deal with it.

That was by far the best analogy I have seen and do like that. That is one that makes a lot more sense then "TOS states" .

 

But as far as the other guy saying "We all click the button to accept"  That there is the problem and THAT is why it is not a Legal binding contract.  So who ever wants to preach to high heaven about how they are right over their TOS.

You may be right they can set any rule they wish and can enforce any rule they want on whom ever they choose to. But in their TOS does not state a penalty nor infraction which will incur if you choose to share account information.  Why would you assume on the first strike it would be a Permanent Ban?

 

To the person that said sharing with someone and then having that person take something from you and claiming you been "hacked" when you clearly let someone on your account. Now this is something that the TOS states. They are not Liable as they advise you not to share accounts. That is simple. More like "Oh you lost Items Tough Shit" not "OH you let yourself be vulnerable, here never play our game again" . 

Your argument is invalid.  Regardless of whether everyone reads it or not, it is still a legally binding contract.  Not reading a contract that you are agreeing too simply shows how little you care about your rights and responsiblities, not the validity of it.  

For example.  Almost nobody reads their cellphone contract these days either.  Those contracts are still legally binding though.  If you want to cancel your service after three months you get charged $300.  You can refuse to pay it if you choose.  But in small claims court, your argument can't be, "Nobody ever reads those contracts.  I didn't know I'd have to pay that fee."   You will be found in violation of your contract and owe that money.  And if you don't pay your wages can be garnished.  It doesn't explicitly state in the contract that they can garnish your wages, it doesn't have to.  It only has to explain to you, your rights and responsibilities if you wish to use their product.  They can wave that fee if they choose, that is up to them, as it is their option to enforce a penalty or not.  

This is how all contracts work.  People are lazy and when they face consequences for it, it's their own fault.  Hardly anybody ever reads the Privacy Policy, EULA, ToS, Warranty or Owner's Manual.  They are still held accountable because they were given these documents in advance and had ample time to read them if they so chose.

Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.

  NextGem

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2/18/14 1:11:35 PM#37

It seems to me that you are bitter that you got banned for doing the exact thing that the company warns their playerbase not to do. Allow me to use myself as an example..

League of Legends warns me not to harass and troll the other players. I do so anyway, even though I have been told numerous times not to. They decide to ban my account even though I have put well over three thousand hours and one thousand dollars into the game. What do I do? Do I continue to make smurf accounts and rage on the forums, or do I suck it up, take it like a man and learn from my mistakes?

I suck it up and go on with my life. Granted I am extremely heartbroken and pissed off to have lost my time but it is my own fault.

GG WP!

  Spawnblade

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2/18/14 1:15:56 PM#38
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by ParmesanStick

Like anyone goes threw and reads word for word the whole TOS and follows every word down to the letter.


 

Ignorance is no excuse.

Actually, there have been numerous lawsuits recently ruling in favor of consumers violating TOS, because of how intentionally awkward and unwieldy companies have made their TOS to read.  Generally if important information is not presented in an easily visible format, it does not hold up in court anymore.

 

Not really worth going to court over 50 bucks though.  And if it's something that is almost unanimously seen as against game policy (like selling your account,) it wouldn't hold up as it would be assumed to be in the TOS.

 

But a company can't just put in their TOS that all your bases (property, houses, whatever) belong to them if you play their game, and actually have that hold up legally because "ignorance is no excuse."  If the terms don't make sense, it will not hold up.  I know someone who got a loan for the bank, and the bank snuck in a bunch of stuff as extra collateral that was never agreed upon.  They just put it in a separate section that was somehow overlooked by the lawyers.  It didn't hold up in court, however, because the value of the collateral, once inflated by the additional properties included in the separate section, was completely disproportional to the amount of the loan.  Now my friend is counter-suing for fraud and they're probably going to end up settling in her favor.

  Sovrath

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2/18/14 1:22:10 PM#39

OP I'm beyond shocked.

The account was "given" to you by a friend in canada? really?

You will get no sympathy here and I'm surprised you had the gall to come here and complain about the account, which isn't yours in the first place, (given? really?) and was taken from you.

You know who has the power to get this account? The actual owner "if" they will give it back to him "if" it truly was "given" to you.

  Solar_Prophet

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2/18/14 1:32:16 PM#40
Originally posted by ParmesanStick
Originally posted by Dibdabs
We're supposed to care about your problem, OP, is that it?  Why exactly?  

Like anyone goes threw and reads word for word the whole TOS and follows every word down to the letter.

 

So what? I haven't read the entirety of the US penal code, and yet I'm expected to abide by it.

AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!

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