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  Elikal

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Joined: 2/09/06
Posts: 8067

“No path is darker then when your eyes are shut.” -Flemeth

2/14/14 6:18:30 PM#101
Originally posted by greenreen
Originally posted by Elikal

Sigh. A guys just says how he thinks about a game, and some people freaking out.

Don't like what he says? Well don't LISTEN to it. AJ is as free to say his opinion as you are. No need to get pissed about it.

 

Some people... I don't get it why some people can't let anyone have an opinion without feeling personally offended!

Not quite accurate. It's someone who knows that people will follow their advice. If they gave incorrect advice day 1 and someone didn't return to listen to more on day 2 - who loses? The game devs for not selling their box quota or us for not having people to play with. Some people really go by reviews, that's their option to try to use a source who will aggregate data for them but to say outright that you think a game is boring - what worse things can you say about a game. Games are to relieve boredom, not cause it.

Do you think people won't buy the game because you want chat bubbles or will buy the game because I like the sound of the PVP better in this game than GW2? Not likely, our opinions are just ramblings here because the most important ones are usually buried under 2ft of arguing... oh I mean debating... yes debating in 10+ page posts.

Last time I checked, freedom of speech was still part of the Constitution.

You can critizise WHAT someone says. Critizising his RIGHT to say it is LUDICROUS.

 

Which ENDS this POINTLESS debate for me. Anyone who continues this absurd and baseless personal slander will simply land on my ignore list, hence. Just because someone is (semi) famous doesn't allow anyone here to make him a personal target for all sort of slander, questioning his character or his moral integrity. Anyone who does that about VIDEO GAMES has ISSUES.

End of debate from my point.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

2/14/14 6:21:56 PM#102
Originally posted by Elikal

Sigh. A guys just says how he thinks about a game, and some people freaking out.

Don't like what he says? Well don't LISTEN to it. AJ is as free to say his opinion as you are. No need to get pissed about it.

 

Some people... I don't get it why some people can't let anyone have an opinion without feeling personally offended!

agree

but, how will i know , that i dont like it, BEFORE listening /reading? clairvoyance?

i dont always agree with AJ, but his passion is his strength

stay passionate Joe, and dont become a boring "pro"

  Azzras

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Joined: 2/10/14
Posts: 422

One Shot, Two Kills.

2/14/14 6:28:05 PM#103
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by greenreen
Originally posted by Elikal

Sigh. A guys just says how he thinks about a game, and some people freaking out.

Don't like what he says? Well don't LISTEN to it. AJ is as free to say his opinion as you are. No need to get pissed about it.

 

Some people... I don't get it why some people can't let anyone have an opinion without feeling personally offended!

Not quite accurate. It's someone who knows that people will follow their advice. If they gave incorrect advice day 1 and someone didn't return to listen to more on day 2 - who loses? The game devs for not selling their box quota or us for not having people to play with. Some people really go by reviews, that's their option to try to use a source who will aggregate data for them but to say outright that you think a game is boring - what worse things can you say about a game. Games are to relieve boredom, not cause it.

Do you think people won't buy the game because you want chat bubbles or will buy the game because I like the sound of the PVP better in this game than GW2? Not likely, our opinions are just ramblings here because the most important ones are usually buried under 2ft of arguing... oh I mean debating... yes debating in 10+ page posts.

Last time I checked, freedom of speech was still part of the Constitution.

You can critizise WHAT someone says. Critizising his RIGHT to say it is LUDICROUS.

 

Which ENDS this POINTLESS debate for me. Anyone who continues this absurd and baseless personal slander will simply land on my ignore list, hence. Just because someone is (semi) famous doesn't allow anyone here to make him a personal target for all sort of slander, questioning his character or his moral integrity. Anyone who does that about VIDEO GAMES has ISSUES.

End of debate from my point.

Freedom of speech also allows for the criticism of the right to one's speech...no matter how ludicrous you think it is.

Why do you care so much, anyway?  He put a video on the internet.  He's opened himself to criticism. Seems he did ok by himself flaming everyone later on. (feel free to replace the word flaming with your word of choice if it offends.)

My point is still this, if you don't like what people's opinions are concerning the video...don't read them.

Anyway, this 'topic' is actually off topic.

On Topic:

Still not a fan of his, but seeing video of any closed beta for a game I'm somewhat interested in is a plus...even if I found the 'host' to be annoying.

 

  greenreen

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/19/12
Posts: 1460

2/14/14 6:38:24 PM#104
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by greenreen
Originally posted by Elikal

Sigh. A guys just says how he thinks about a game, and some people freaking out.

Don't like what he says? Well don't LISTEN to it. AJ is as free to say his opinion as you are. No need to get pissed about it.

 

Some people... I don't get it why some people can't let anyone have an opinion without feeling personally offended!

Not quite accurate. It's someone who knows that people will follow their advice. If they gave incorrect advice day 1 and someone didn't return to listen to more on day 2 - who loses? The game devs for not selling their box quota or us for not having people to play with. Some people really go by reviews, that's their option to try to use a source who will aggregate data for them but to say outright that you think a game is boring - what worse things can you say about a game. Games are to relieve boredom, not cause it.

Do you think people won't buy the game because you want chat bubbles or will buy the game because I like the sound of the PVP better in this game than GW2? Not likely, our opinions are just ramblings here because the most important ones are usually buried under 2ft of arguing... oh I mean debating... yes debating in 10+ page posts.

Last time I checked, freedom of speech was still part of the Constitution.

You can critizise WHAT someone says. Critizising his RIGHT to say it is LUDICROUS.

 

Which ENDS this POINTLESS debate for me. Anyone who continues this absurd and baseless personal slander will simply land on my ignore list, hence. Just because someone is (semi) famous doesn't allow anyone here to make him a personal target for all sort of slander, questioning his character or his moral integrity. Anyone who does that about VIDEO GAMES has ISSUES.

End of debate from my point.

I commented on you saying that his opinion was the same as ours. I never stated that he wasn't allowed to have an opinion or even to broadcast it. My comment was concerning impact. When you are in the public eye and you claim an expertise people will rely on you to steer them because you have researched the topic thoroughly or have insider information.

You just try to start arguments here because people don't agree with you. If you put me on ignore you would be better off, I can disagree with you without freaking out or calling names. If you can't control yourself, do hit block.

  Notimeforbs

Novice Member

Joined: 6/28/13
Posts: 297

2/14/14 6:38:42 PM#105

What's good about this video isn't the fact that AJ flipped his opinion.  You can tell even there at the end where he tried to save face by continuing his point about it needing to be F2P and blah blah blah.  The dude just had a blast in that beautiful, perfectly smooth, didn't hic-cup a single time, awesome PvP Keep Siege War, and he still wants it for free.  That's just down-right plain unreasonable expectations any way you want to look at it.

The good thing about this video is it's actually showing players what's friggin' awesome about this game, instead of cleverly editing footage of boring running and complaining about everything without showing footage of what they're talking about.

Just watching the footage of the other player in the keep watching the other 2 factions go at it was pretty awesome.  You'd have to be one closed minded cynic who would never admit you're wrong under any reasonable circumstance to not say that battle was pretty awesome.  And the fact that it was so smooth and lag free.... Whaaaat?

  User Deleted
2/14/14 6:39:00 PM#106
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Pyatra
I honestly think we all know the first part is lackluster... all the game elements are there but none of the craziness of dark anchors and skulls in the later PVE section.  Maybe instead of complaining we can offer up some sort of solution(s)?  Maybe a zone event in the starting area that's a little hectic?  Say about mid-zone/island... basically it will break up the monotony and give incentives to keep going are to see what lies beyond?  Doesn't have to be a dark anchor, just something interesting but hectic.

I must be crazy because I continue to disagree with this lol. I do agree that there are differences in the 3 starting areas in scenery, size, quest lines etc., but I think the real problem is that compared to recent MMOs, ESO is a slow leveling experience - something many of us have been asking for. Well folks, this is what slow-leveling feels like.

 

Another factor is that all of us, myself included, wanted to see that Cyrodiil AVA asap. So there's an extra desire to level fast that is totally incompatible with a deliberately slow leveling game.

 

And then there's the leveling itself. Unlike the vast majority of MMOs out there, this one is NOT just about leveling, it's about getting skill points and using them to get cool new abilities, morph them, get your ultimate and improve passives. Leveling is just one of the ways to accomplish that.

 

By the time you're level 15 you will have gotten at least 5 skill points through various quest rewards and there are roughly 21 skyshards to find for an additional 7 skill points. If skill points only came through leveling, this would be like reaching level 27 instead of 15.

 

It's a different type of MMO and it takes some attitude adjustment but yeah, if your goal is to get to Cyrodiil asap, you will find the first 10 levels slow.

  I'm going to have to agree with Joe that the AD seems like it would flow a bit better, but it's more packed together, that's why they probably ramp PVP numbers slower, theu ended up with side quests.  I'm just saying we should try to suggest some sort of improvement (not leveling faster) that may make the other 2 factions grab people a little faster or break it up a bit.

  Iselin

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3908

2/14/14 6:41:04 PM#107
Originally posted by Pyatra
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Pyatra
I honestly think we all know the first part is lackluster... all the game elements are there but none of the craziness of dark anchors and skulls in the later PVE section.  Maybe instead of complaining we can offer up some sort of solution(s)?  Maybe a zone event in the starting area that's a little hectic?  Say about mid-zone/island... basically it will break up the monotony and give incentives to keep going are to see what lies beyond?  Doesn't have to be a dark anchor, just something interesting but hectic.

I must be crazy because I continue to disagree with this lol. I do agree that there are differences in the 3 starting areas in scenery, size, quest lines etc., but I think the real problem is that compared to recent MMOs, ESO is a slow leveling experience - something many of us have been asking for. Well folks, this is what slow-leveling feels like.

 

Another factor is that all of us, myself included, wanted to see that Cyrodiil AVA asap. So there's an extra desire to level fast that is totally incompatible with a deliberately slow leveling game.

 

And then there's the leveling itself. Unlike the vast majority of MMOs out there, this one is NOT just about leveling, it's about getting skill points and using them to get cool new abilities, morph them, get your ultimate and improve passives. Leveling is just one of the ways to accomplish that.

 

By the time you're level 15 you will have gotten at least 5 skill points through various quest rewards and there are roughly 21 skyshards to find for an additional 7 skill points. If skill points only came through leveling, this would be like reaching level 27 instead of 15.

 

It's a different type of MMO and it takes some attitude adjustment but yeah, if your goal is to get to Cyrodiil asap, you will find the first 10 levels slow.

  I'm going to have to agree with Joe that the AD feels like it flows a bit better, but it's more packed together, that's why we always ramp PVP numbers slower, we ended up with side quests.  I'm just saying we should try to suggest some sort of improvement (not leveling faster) that may make the other 2 factions grab people a little faster or break it up a bit.

One of my very first feedbacks was that the three starting areas felt uneven - I even speculated that they did the AD area last when they were better at it - I don't disagree with that.

  User Deleted
2/14/14 6:47:41 PM#108
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Pyatra
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Pyatra
I honestly think we all know the first part is lackluster... all the game elements are there but none of the craziness of dark anchors and skulls in the later PVE section.  Maybe instead of complaining we can offer up some sort of solution(s)?  Maybe a zone event in the starting area that's a little hectic?  Say about mid-zone/island... basically it will break up the monotony and give incentives to keep going are to see what lies beyond?  Doesn't have to be a dark anchor, just something interesting but hectic.

I must be crazy because I continue to disagree with this lol. I do agree that there are differences in the 3 starting areas in scenery, size, quest lines etc., but I think the real problem is that compared to recent MMOs, ESO is a slow leveling experience - something many of us have been asking for. Well folks, this is what slow-leveling feels like.

 

Another factor is that all of us, myself included, wanted to see that Cyrodiil AVA asap. So there's an extra desire to level fast that is totally incompatible with a deliberately slow leveling game.

 

And then there's the leveling itself. Unlike the vast majority of MMOs out there, this one is NOT just about leveling, it's about getting skill points and using them to get cool new abilities, morph them, get your ultimate and improve passives. Leveling is just one of the ways to accomplish that.

 

By the time you're level 15 you will have gotten at least 5 skill points through various quest rewards and there are roughly 21 skyshards to find for an additional 7 skill points. If skill points only came through leveling, this would be like reaching level 27 instead of 15.

 

It's a different type of MMO and it takes some attitude adjustment but yeah, if your goal is to get to Cyrodiil asap, you will find the first 10 levels slow.

  I'm going to have to agree with Joe that the AD feels like it flows a bit better, but it's more packed together, that's why we always ramp PVP numbers slower, we ended up with side quests.  I'm just saying we should try to suggest some sort of improvement (not leveling faster) that may make the other 2 factions grab people a little faster or break it up a bit.

One of my very first feedbacks was that the three starting areas felt uneven - I even speculated that they did the AD area last when they were better at it - I don't disagree with that.

I know, I was fishing for suggestions, that's all.

 

The AD area (as described) reminds me a little of this.

http://i.imgur.com/wvirj.png

  Notimeforbs

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Joined: 6/28/13
Posts: 297

2/14/14 7:48:17 PM#109
Originally posted by Pyatra
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Pyatra
I honestly think we all know the first part is lackluster... all the game elements are there but none of the craziness of dark anchors and skulls in the later PVE section.  Maybe instead of complaining we can offer up some sort of solution(s)?  Maybe a zone event in the starting area that's a little hectic?  Say about mid-zone/island... basically it will break up the monotony and give incentives to keep going are to see what lies beyond?  Doesn't have to be a dark anchor, just something interesting but hectic.

I must be crazy because I continue to disagree with this lol. I do agree that there are differences in the 3 starting areas in scenery, size, quest lines etc., but I think the real problem is that compared to recent MMOs, ESO is a slow leveling experience - something many of us have been asking for. Well folks, this is what slow-leveling feels like.

 

Another factor is that all of us, myself included, wanted to see that Cyrodiil AVA asap. So there's an extra desire to level fast that is totally incompatible with a deliberately slow leveling game.

 

And then there's the leveling itself. Unlike the vast majority of MMOs out there, this one is NOT just about leveling, it's about getting skill points and using them to get cool new abilities, morph them, get your ultimate and improve passives. Leveling is just one of the ways to accomplish that.

 

By the time you're level 15 you will have gotten at least 5 skill points through various quest rewards and there are roughly 21 skyshards to find for an additional 7 skill points. If skill points only came through leveling, this would be like reaching level 27 instead of 15.

 

It's a different type of MMO and it takes some attitude adjustment but yeah, if your goal is to get to Cyrodiil asap, you will find the first 10 levels slow.

  I'm going to have to agree with Joe that the AD seems like it would flow a bit better, but it's more packed together, that's why they probably ramp PVP numbers slower, theu ended up with side quests.  I'm just saying we should try to suggest some sort of improvement (not leveling faster) that may make the other 2 factions grab people a little faster or break it up a bit.

I think you guys are forgetting something about the Dominion that both Ebonheart and Covenant simply aren't going to be able to compete with.

1.  Dominion has: the only available option for an attractive cutsie Elf race.  This alone will draw the majority in.

.....

.....  And then it also has Cats....

....

.... There's no contest, really.

This faction will sort of be the melting pot of all demographics.  As a result they will have the highest opportunity for more productive team-work.

2.  Ebonheart has some cool options, though - Vikings, Emo's, and Dinosaurs.  I suspect this will draw in the youngest crowd, especially since these races are the most closely compared to the most recent TES games.  These will have a lot of numbers, but they will be about as organized as a Chinese market district.  They'll have a good show of force on the battlefield, but they'll probably end up being push-overs, frankly.  Lot's of lone-wolves in this faction I predict.  Lot's of cookie-cutter FOTM stuff going on here, too.

3.  Convenant has some relatively boring options: White people, Black people. and Orcs.  This is about as straight down the road as you can get, and they're all equally played out.  I suspect this zone will be populated by mostly older people who want to revisit the glory days of playing Daggerfall, and Role Players.  I also predicted that since this has the most boring race options, it would probably be populated by the most hardcore fans, who would be the ones most probable for actually buying the Collector's Edition with the ability to play Imperial - which is probably why we will see more Imperials than any of the Covenant's races.  These players will still probably pick this faction, though, for Lore reasons, since the Covenant is trying to maintain Imperial rule within Cyrodil, and because it's Daggerfall.

It's hard to say how Covenant will be strategically speaking.  They could either be extremely organized, though very low in numbers, or they could be very low in numbers and be at odds with one another.  While this will probably be the most adult crowd... it will more than likely be the most immature crowd, with a bunch of superfluous drama over ridiculous crap.

  Iselin

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Posts: 3908

2/14/14 9:33:46 PM#110
Originally posted by Notimeforbs
Originally posted by Pyatra
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Pyatra
I honestly think we all know the first part is lackluster... all the game elements are there but none of the craziness of dark anchors and skulls in the later PVE section.  Maybe instead of complaining we can offer up some sort of solution(s)?  Maybe a zone event in the starting area that's a little hectic?  Say about mid-zone/island... basically it will break up the monotony and give incentives to keep going are to see what lies beyond?  Doesn't have to be a dark anchor, just something interesting but hectic.

I must be crazy because I continue to disagree with this lol. I do agree that there are differences in the 3 starting areas in scenery, size, quest lines etc., but I think the real problem is that compared to recent MMOs, ESO is a slow leveling experience - something many of us have been asking for. Well folks, this is what slow-leveling feels like.

 

Another factor is that all of us, myself included, wanted to see that Cyrodiil AVA asap. So there's an extra desire to level fast that is totally incompatible with a deliberately slow leveling game.

 

And then there's the leveling itself. Unlike the vast majority of MMOs out there, this one is NOT just about leveling, it's about getting skill points and using them to get cool new abilities, morph them, get your ultimate and improve passives. Leveling is just one of the ways to accomplish that.

 

By the time you're level 15 you will have gotten at least 5 skill points through various quest rewards and there are roughly 21 skyshards to find for an additional 7 skill points. If skill points only came through leveling, this would be like reaching level 27 instead of 15.

 

It's a different type of MMO and it takes some attitude adjustment but yeah, if your goal is to get to Cyrodiil asap, you will find the first 10 levels slow.

  I'm going to have to agree with Joe that the AD seems like it would flow a bit better, but it's more packed together, that's why they probably ramp PVP numbers slower, theu ended up with side quests.  I'm just saying we should try to suggest some sort of improvement (not leveling faster) that may make the other 2 factions grab people a little faster or break it up a bit.

I think you guys are forgetting something about the Dominion that both Ebonheart and Covenant simply aren't going to be able to compete with.

1.  Dominion has: the only available option for an attractive cutsie Elf race.  This alone will draw the majority in.

.....

.....  And then it also has Cats....

....

.... There's no contest, really.

This faction will sort of be the melting pot of all demographics.  As a result they will have the highest opportunity for more productive team-work.

2.  Ebonheart has some cool options, though - Vikings, Emo's, and Dinosaurs.  I suspect this will draw in the youngest crowd, especially since these races are the most closely compared to the most recent TES games.  These will have a lot of numbers, but they will be about as organized as a Chinese market district.  They'll have a good show of force on the battlefield, but they'll probably end up being push-overs, frankly.  Lot's of lone-wolves in this faction I predict.  Lot's of cookie-cutter FOTM stuff going on here, too.

3.  Convenant has some relatively boring options: White people, Black people. and Orcs.  This is about as straight down the road as you can get, and they're all equally played out.  I suspect this zone will be populated by mostly older people who want to revisit the glory days of playing Daggerfall, and Role Players.  I also predicted that since this has the most boring race options, it would probably be populated by the most hardcore fans, who would be the ones most probable for actually buying the Collector's Edition with the ability to play Imperial - which is probably why we will see more Imperials than any of the Covenant's races.  These players will still probably pick this faction, though, for Lore reasons, since the Covenant is trying to maintain Imperial rule within Cyrodil, and because it's Daggerfall.

It's hard to say how Covenant will be strategically speaking.  They could either be extremely organized, though very low in numbers, or they could be very low in numbers and be at odds with one another.  While this will probably be the most adult crowd... it will more than likely be the most immature crowd, with a bunch of superfluous drama over ridiculous crap.

Ok, that was really funny 

  inemosz

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Joined: 3/13/12
Posts: 384

2/14/14 10:01:51 PM#111
You know, most of the press reviewers are taking the same route, from negative to positif. It's starting to sound fishy, or they're just too stupid to mindlessly bash the game on their first review.
  jpnz

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Joined: 6/29/06
Posts: 3565

2/14/14 10:25:20 PM#112
Originally posted by inemosz
You know, most of the press reviewers are taking the same route, from negative to positif. It's starting to sound fishy, or they're just too stupid to mindlessly bash the game on their first review.

No, most press outlets were accurate; unlike this post. What's this 'review'? The press didn't 'Review' ESO yet as half of ESO is still under NDA. /Facepalm

The beginning of ESO (which was the non-NDA) is considered awful so that was their first impression.

Once you get going after several hours, apparently it is getting better.

Blame the devs for having such an attrociously bad starting zone.

 

Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 3000

2/14/14 10:26:58 PM#113

I must be crazy because I played all 3 and to me that they felt similar. I didn't feel like one was much better than the other just different. For some reason I felt connected to daggerfall the best. Maybe it was just the look, I don't know.  I realized right up front they were starter areas just by how they felt, but I will say I was hopeful after the islands that things would open up more and show more of a sense of danger, so I get it. That is why they should give you an option to skip it. I do think they could also add some initial wow factor similar to what GW2 did right off the bat. Anyway, while playing it I had no idea that the starter areas would be so controversial, but I do remember thinking a little dynamic stuff would help which is what I put in my survey. 

There Is Always Hope!

  FlawSGI

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2/14/14 10:33:08 PM#114
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by inemosz
You know, most of the press reviewers are taking the same route, from negative to positif. It's starting to sound fishy, or they're just too stupid to mindlessly bash the game on their first review.

No, most press outlets were accurate; unlike this post. What's this 'review'? The press didn't 'Review' ESO yet as half of ESO is still under NDA. /Facepalm

The beginning of ESO (which was the non-NDA) is considered awful so that was their first impression.

Once you get going after several hours, apparently it is getting better.

Blame the devs for having such an attrociously bad starting zone.

 

I concur. I am gonna have to watch some videos once the game releases and I am able to see more. I can't say anything on my impression so far, but I will say that I agree with what the journalists have been saying. This video did show that there are some really good qualities as well, but due to my experiences I will be passing initially until I learn more about the game and see what they have in store.  

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  inemosz

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Joined: 3/13/12
Posts: 384

2/14/14 10:38:35 PM#115
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by inemosz
You know, most of the press reviewers are taking the same route, from negative to positif. It's starting to sound fishy, or they're just too stupid to mindlessly bash the game on their first review.

No, most press outlets were accurate; unlike this post. What's this 'review'? The press didn't 'Review' ESO yet as half of ESO is still under NDA. /Facepalm

The beginning of ESO (which was the non-NDA) is considered awful so that was their first impression.

Once you get going after several hours, apparently it is getting better.

Blame the devs for having such an attrociously bad starting zone.

Yeah, I know those are more like first impressions/previews, but it seems that people on this site are keep generalizing them and calling them reviews. No idea why, tbh. Reviews are the full game experience after the game released in April.

  Airwren

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Joined: 5/12/08
Posts: 654

2/14/14 10:42:59 PM#116
Meh, I'll say like I did in the other thread.  While I may watch a review here or there I put more stock in my own opinion of a game than anyone else.  We could all sit here and probably name a ton of games we felt like reviews were way off about so take everything with a grain of salt and remember the best opinion is one born from personal experience.
  Ineveraskforthis

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Joined: 1/24/06
Posts: 379

2/14/14 10:50:58 PM#117
Originally posted by inemosz
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by inemosz
You know, most of the press reviewers are taking the same route, from negative to positif. It's starting to sound fishy, or they're just too stupid to mindlessly bash the game on their first review.

No, most press outlets were accurate; unlike this post. What's this 'review'? The press didn't 'Review' ESO yet as half of ESO is still under NDA. /Facepalm

The beginning of ESO (which was the non-NDA) is considered awful so that was their first impression.

Once you get going after several hours, apparently it is getting better.

Blame the devs for having such an attrociously bad starting zone.

Yeah, I know those are more like first impressions/previews, but it seems that people on this site are keep generalizing them and calling them reviews. No idea why, tbh. Reviews are the full game experience after the game released in April.

AJ did name his videos : Beta  Review and PVP review.

  Braindome

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Joined: 12/06/11
Posts: 596

2/14/14 10:56:11 PM#118

This has nudged me ever so slightly closer to making ESO a possibility, though I still have a problem with what I actually played in beta and the generic leveling, combat and quest structure are not exactly worth trudging through to me at this point just so I can get to the cool pvp and even if it is possible to get to pvp sooner than later I still want a well designed world and experience, not just pvp, though it does look cool I still can't justify a full purchase price.

Still looks like a game better suited to play later than sooner.

  inemosz

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Posts: 384

2/14/14 11:02:24 PM#119
Originally posted by Ineveraskforthis
Originally posted by inemosz
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by inemosz
You know, most of the press reviewers are taking the same route, from negative to positif. It's starting to sound fishy, or they're just too stupid to mindlessly bash the game on their first review.

No, most press outlets were accurate; unlike this post. What's this 'review'? The press didn't 'Review' ESO yet as half of ESO is still under NDA. /Facepalm

The beginning of ESO (which was the non-NDA) is considered awful so that was their first impression.

Once you get going after several hours, apparently it is getting better.

Blame the devs for having such an attrociously bad starting zone.

Yeah, I know those are more like first impressions/previews, but it seems that people on this site are keep generalizing them and calling them reviews. No idea why, tbh. Reviews are the full game experience after the game released in April.

AJ did name his videos : Beta  Review and PVP review.

Weird, are we watching the same videos?

All I read is "Impressions" on the titles

  udon

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Joined: 12/23/07
Posts: 1621

2/14/14 11:08:58 PM#120
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by inemosz
You know, most of the press reviewers are taking the same route, from negative to positif. It's starting to sound fishy, or they're just too stupid to mindlessly bash the game on their first review.

No, most press outlets were accurate; unlike this post. What's this 'review'? The press didn't 'Review' ESO yet as half of ESO is still under NDA. /Facepalm

The beginning of ESO (which was the non-NDA) is considered awful so that was their first impression.

Once you get going after several hours, apparently it is getting better.

Blame the devs for having such an attrociously bad starting zone.

I like the pacing of the starter zones, they feel different than the wham bam average MMO's starter zones that push you so fast though them you have no time to even slow down and enjoy the graphics.  Maybe that's just me but I felt they where much more TESish than an average MMO starter zone could ever feel.  They are not perfect and I wish they had more stuff around the zones to discover but the last thing I would want to see is them speed up to typical MMO pacing.

The problem with the press previews or whatever you want to call them is that they where very sloppily done.  Zenimax gave them the ability to play to level 15, they had the option to try PVP and do the first round of low level dungeons if they wanted to take the time to do a comprehensive preview but most of them choose instead to only play a handful of levels and rush to judgement with a article without even taking advantage of the whole scope of the game Zenimax gave them access to.  They also almost to a tee neglected to really spell out the scope of what they where previewing and what they didn't which gave the impression they where talking about the game in it's entirety instead of what is actually less than 10% of it.  Even when you add in allowing them to talk about PVP and low level dungeons on top of level 1-15 we are not talking about half the game, we are not even talking about a quarter of the game.  We are talking about only the tip of what ESO has content, mechanics, and gameplay wise and not one article I read last week even touched on that fact.

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