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OP  2/12/14 8:18:33 PM#1

A new post has cropped up on the Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Facebook page that reassures KickStarter backers that the team has categorically not given up on the process and that, fully funded or not via KS, there is a plan in the works for other sources of revenue to bring Brad McQuaid's vision to fruition.

Hi all. Quick update:

  1. We are NOT giving up on Kickstarter by any means.
  2. We are setting up a comprehensive web site that will include all of the KS info and the ability to pledge or re-pledge. This will launch when the KS campaign ends, whether KS is successful or not.
  3. We have already started preparing to reach out to Investors. We are finalizing some spreadsheets and polishing up the Business Plan. This phase has been planned and will also happen whether or not we meet the KS goal.


With only nine days to go, the Pantheon project has not yet reached the 50% funded mark of $800,000.

In addition to the Facebook post, Brad McQuaid is reaching out via Twitter:

Check out the Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen page for more information.

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2/12/14 8:28:29 PM#2
Ouch. Coming in with backup plan explanation before the KS campaign is over doesn't look good. Here's hoping tht the game still gets made, even if it sounded like a western version of PSO.

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2/12/14 8:37:43 PM#3

WTF. pisses me off that companies with the means to "reach out to investors" goes and looks for handouts FIRST.

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2/12/14 8:41:29 PM#4

I don't it's a "backup" plan as much as simply planning ahead to search for more investors and sources of crowd funding. $800,000 is just the first step. This kickstarter was simply intended to, "kick" things off...if you'll pardon the pun. :) 



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2/12/14 8:43:31 PM#5

I'm not trying to knock this game in particular, but how many of these games are developers going to flood the genre with? Anymore each mmorpg fan will get to pick his very own title because there will be hundreds of thousands to choose from. They need to all get together and make one good game instead of hundreds of the same thing. /shrug

Anyway, I do hope they achieve their goal for what its worth. Everyone needs some sort of work to feed their families.

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2/12/14 9:26:04 PM#6
Originally posted by PulsarMan

I don't it's a "backup" plan as much as simply planning ahead to search for more investors and sources of crowd funding. $800,000 is just the first step. This kickstarter was simply intended to, "kick" things off...if you'll pardon the pun. :) 


I don't think that counts as a pun. That's exactly what "kickstarter" is...

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2/12/14 9:52:01 PM#7
The day of the "second job" diku themepark has passed. Brad did a poor job of selling this game as anything other than a rehash of the first EQ. I'm sorry, but just having a big open map does not make your game a sandbox Brad.

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2/12/14 10:07:17 PM#8
Sounds like people just have a lot of sense to me.  "I'm going to make a super cool game that is neato like EQ1"!  Man where have I heard that before...

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2/12/14 10:12:52 PM#9

A Brad McQuaid project that is failing and desperate.   Somewhere out there, there is a island with a lost tribe that has never been touched by civilization.  But even they, likely, are not surprised by this development.


Thank god, hopefully this gets shut down before he gets anyone's money.

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2/12/14 10:15:33 PM#10
Here's an idea for game companies: actually have something tangible to show that you've already invested your OWN hard earned money, time and effort to a game. Stop showing up on KS with ideas and concept art. 

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2/12/14 10:19:09 PM#11
I guess Brad can add vaporware salesman to his list of accomplishments now.

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2/12/14 10:27:52 PM#12

Translation:  We are not giving up on Kickstarter, we are just focusing on post funding after the Kickstarter and don't care whether Kickstarter succeeds because we have other options in the works anyway.

Spending any time doing anything not related to the Kickstarter when a Kickstarter is active gives a negative image in my opinion.  They claim to have done research and any successful Kickstarter post mortem I've seen warns developers (or anyone running the Kickstarter) to focus 100% of your time to your Kickstarter including asset production that specifically will help the Kickstarter.  Doing anything outside of that means you aren't fully devoted to the Kickstarter, period.

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2/12/14 10:28:20 PM#13

Another "Me Too" MMO only gets one so far.


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2/12/14 10:38:27 PM#14
Originally posted by superconducting

Another "Me Too" MMO only gets one so far.

"Me Too"? Brad created EQ which is what all of the "Me Too" MMOs copied, including WoW.


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2/12/14 10:46:59 PM#15

Why are some of these big name past MMO game developers, for example Richard Garriott and Brad McQuaid turning to us the gaming community to fund their games and not big name studios?

Or maybe a better way of asking that question would be-

What reason could big name studios have for not funding/producing another MMO from some of the industries biggest names in MMO's development, for example Richard Garriott and Brad McQuaid?


I posted that in another thread about funding Pantheon.

And all dickishness aside, the blunt answer to that question is - because the big name studios arnt that stupid.


Me personally, I'd rather give my money to someone making their 1st attempt, than someone whos failed just recently. And more specifically; failed just recently with the backing of a big named studio.

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2/12/14 11:08:53 PM#16
Originally posted by Nitth

WTF. pisses me off that companies with the means to "reach out to investors" goes and looks for handouts FIRST.

Investors have interests that tend to run counter to the players'.

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2/12/14 11:48:50 PM#17
You know it's a well run company with confidence in its future when it solicits investment via Freaking TWITTER!!!

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2/13/14 1:54:56 AM#18
Originally posted by Saerain
Originally posted by Nitth

WTF. pisses me off that companies with the means to "reach out to investors" goes and looks for handouts FIRST.

Investors have interests that tend to run counter to the players'. wanting a return on their investment. 

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2/13/14 2:38:27 AM#19
Originally posted by Hokie


What reason could big name studios have for not funding/producing another MMO from some of the industries biggest names in MMO's development, for example Richard Garriott and Brad McQuaid?

Because the project is niche and not something big studios tend to back especially without knowing the market for it.



Me personally, I'd rather give my money to someone making their 1st attempt, than someone whos failed just recently. And more specifically; failed just recently with the backing of a big named studio.

Not me. Someone with no experience trying to make an MMO is a recipe for disaster. At least someone like McQuaid has hopefully learned some lessons from his past mistakes.



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2/13/14 6:09:03 AM#20
Originally posted by wormed
Here's an idea for game companies: actually have something tangible to show that you've already invested your OWN hard earned money, time and effort to a game. Stop showing up on KS with ideas and concept art. 

This basically.

I really like the ideas for this game, the class updates sound nothing short of amazing. 

However, I'd like to see something before I pledge my money. Yes, I'm that shallow, and I'm not even embarrassed about it. I know games are not about the graphics but I still want to see if the style and feel of the game will be something I'd be interested in.


I'm willing to bet half my ass that the KS would be a lot more successful if they had something to show.


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