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General Discussion  » SOE is heading in the direction of Eve (And that means open world PVP!)

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  junzo316

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2/13/14 12:20:03 PM#41

No one is arguing the fact that EQ may have open world PvP, but it will be a server choice.  There will also be a PvE server for those of us not interested in open world PvP.  Smed talked about options...those are options.

 

  cnutemp

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2/13/14 12:24:14 PM#42
Originally posted by Bidwood

Read it and weep. I've been a broken record on this, but the writing on the wall says there's going to be open world PVP in a brilliantly executed system like Eve Online.

Smedley's blog post covers a lot, but here are some of the highlights:

"A lot has been made about how much we’re pushing this concept of “Sandbox” mmos being the future. Not a lot has been said about what that means."

"In my opinion the solution is focusing a lot more on letting players make and be content for each other. Battlegrounds are an excellent example of an Evergreen style of content where it’s the players themselves that actually create the content. ... Building systems into the games that let the players interact with each other in new and unique ways gives us the ability to watch as the players do stuff we never anticipated. We’ll see a lot more creativity in action if the players are at the center of it. Imagine an MMORPG of a massive city.. and the Rogue’s guild is entirely run by players. Where the city has an entire political system that is populated by players who were elected by the playerbase."

"There’s a great example of this today with Eve Online. It’s a brilliantly executed system where the players are pretty much in charge of the entire game. Sure there is a lot of content for players to do, but anything that’s important in the game is done by the players. This is a shining example of how this kind of system can thrive.

Our belief at SOE is that it’s smarter to head in this direction now rather than waiting."

Is anyone from the other side of the fence ready to admit this is happening?

Edit: Sorry, that was bad form. Here is the blog post:

http://smedsblog.com/2014/02/11/the-sandbox-mmo/

no this is just you making stuff up, he mentioned player built content, not open world pvp.  This thread is a good example of spin though.

  jesteralways

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2/13/14 12:31:10 PM#43
Yes i am excited!!! There will be hackers mass aoe-ing and killing players in 1 sec or 1 shot players, they will do it again and again until the players go offline. reporting them to SOE will have no effect of whatsoever because those hackers will be paid customers and SOE don't want to lose paid customers. i am sure EQN will be as amusing as PS2 or DCUO PvP. i am so going to enjoy this.

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  bcbully

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2/13/14 12:37:38 PM#44
Originally posted by junzo316

No one is arguing the fact that EQ may have open world PvP, but it will be a server choice.  There will also be a PvE server for those of us not interested in open world PvP.  Smed talked about options...those are options.

 

This right here ^^^ Specialty Servers

 

  DrunkWolf

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2/13/14 12:41:53 PM#45

DO NOT GET YOUR HOPES UP !!  at this point they will say ANYTHING because they cant be proved wrong. they will fill your head with BS all the way up untill its time to pre order, that way the sheep will come running.

Sure i really hope they can pull it off, would be great and fun. but untill i see Proof and facts i dont believe shit they say !!!

  Knytta

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2/13/14 12:42:06 PM#46
Deleted stupid comment.

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  Ender4

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2/13/14 12:44:18 PM#47


Originally posted by Fendel84M
Why do PvPers have a problem with there being separate servers for open PvP and consensual PvP? Do they really just like to gank people who don't want to fight until they quit?

SoE is too smart to go with forced PvP. There will be PvP servers though I am sure. I would bet good money on PvP not being forced.

Even Richard Garriot did away with that in SOTA even though that was something he Kickstarted with. There's simply no reason to not make PvP optional other than to greif PvEers.



Because a PvP server system generally does not design the game around the PvP, it just gets tacked on. I don't think they will go with an open PvP game mind you, just answering your question.

I'll tell you right now, if there is no open world PvP I won't play the game long. I tried it with GW2 and it was just too boring never having any conflict. PvE is very bland gameplay in general, it is just devouring content. Zoned PvP mini battles isn't PvP either, it is some sort of alternate game. I want organic PvP where I see someone walk over the hill and I notice their guild tag and think to myself that I have to look out for that guy. I want to run into a stranger and not know what is going to happen next.

Your last sentence shows just how little you understand about what people like about PvP games, that has nothing at all to do with anything.

  mari3k

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2/13/14 1:04:13 PM#48

OPEN WORLD PVP = EPIC FAIL !!!!!

 

If this game should go this route it will fail so bad. Look at Darkfall… nobody wants to play the crap.

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  Sinella

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2/13/14 1:06:47 PM#49
Originally posted by Bidwood
interesting that the people denying the opening post have been silent since I posted the twitter conversation with Smedley.

this is happening, folks.

Don't get your hopes up. As others said, it may mean PvP servers, or even open world PvP with some kind of flag system, but it won't be FFA PvP for sure. It will be optional.

  Storm_Cloud

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2/13/14 1:12:45 PM#50

I actually think it will be open world pvp, but, not in EQnext.

I think it's for the new zombie apocalypse game that SOE is making. The game that he welcomed all old SWG players back for. That game is most likely what he is referring to.

EQnext is a PvE priority, but sure, pvp servers will most likely be there.

 

  Ender4

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2/13/14 1:15:56 PM#51


Originally posted by mari3k
OPEN WORLD PVP = EPIC FAIL !!!!!

 

If this game should go this route it will fail so bad. Look at Darkfall… nobody wants to play the crap.


Because it is a really poorly made game. I mean I don't think they should design a game around open world pvp because there are just too many people who won't buy something like that, but that doesn't mean they can't be good. WoW PvP servers have always thrived, EvE is probably the second most popular MMORPG and it has it etc.

  KaitarBesh

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2/13/14 1:20:59 PM#52

Uh, no. They wouldn't take the time to ask -multiple- questions about what type of gameplay and servers their intended audience wants, see that only a quarter of them want a PVP style of gameplay, and then ignore that data to make the entire game open PVP.

You'll get pvp servers. The entire game is not likely to be FFA PVP. Get over it.

  BadSpock

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2/13/14 1:23:05 PM#53
Originally posted by Ender4

Originally posted by mari3k
OPEN WORLD PVP = EPIC FAIL !!!!!

If this game should go this route it will fail so bad. Look at Darkfall… nobody wants to play the crap.


Because it is a really poorly made game. I mean I don't think they should design a game around open world pvp because there are just too many people who won't buy something like that, but that doesn't mean they can't be good. WoW PvP servers have always thrived, EvE is probably the second most popular MMORPG and it has it etc.

WoW PvP servers thrive because there are PvE servers too.

EvE is not even close to the second most popular MMORPG, and it probably not even the 2nd most popular subscription based MMO.

The chance of SOE putting in a "PvP server" or a few that feature open wold PvP is very high, I'd say.

But that chance of SOE not putting more "PvE" type servers is so slim, it's not even worth mentioning.

But that's ok, the people that want it should be able to get what they want.

When UO: Renaissance was released in 2000, splitting the world into PvE (Trammel) and PvP (Felucca) not only did the game prosper, thrive, and begin rapidly climbing towards its eventual peak, but the developers at Origin were smart enough to leave a server, Siege Perilous, without the Trammel side and with the more "traditional" slower/limited skill gains.

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  SavageHorizon

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2/13/14 1:24:04 PM#54
Originally posted by Bidwood

Read it and weep. 

Why should anyone weep, EQ had open world PVP on certain servers, nothing new here lol.

Open world PVP on FFA servers isn't new or game breaking for those who like PVE.

Your thread is old news.

If you think Smed is going to force PVER'S to play on total PVP servers then you are the one who needs to grab a tissue.

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  KaitarBesh

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2/13/14 1:30:11 PM#55

PVP enthusiasts don't seem to realize there are plenty of FFA PVP MMORPG games out there.

 

And all of them tank pretty badly, or at least do very poorly compared to their PVE MMORPG cousins. Including Eve. Eve has a niche player base, but the majority of MMO players pvp -casually- if at all. SOE knows this. They aren't going to railroad themselves into having 200-300k players at most just to please a few griefer happy PVP FFAs on MMORPG.com, no matter how badly they want it.

  evilized

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2/13/14 1:35:17 PM#56
I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has already been discussed but why would EVE's sector pvp system not work with eq:n? Or for that matter something similar to the faction based pvp system or chaos/order in old UO? Those that want open pvp can flag themselves by joining a faction or going to a low security area and having fun while those that would prefer to avoid it can stay in the heavily guarded areas. Make it so you can attack other players anywhere but depending on where you're at you will die instantly to a God's wrath or some such h if you attack another player. Leave player policing to the unguarded areas and let the game police the safer places with harsh instant punishment.
  SavageHorizon

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2/13/14 1:36:38 PM#57
Originally posted by KaitarBesh

PVP enthusiasts don't seem to realize there are plenty of FFA PVP MMORPG games out there.

 

And all of them tank pretty badly, or at least do very poorly compared to their PVE MMORPG cousins. Including Eve. Eve has a niche player base, but the majority of MMO players pvp -casually- if at all. SOE knows this. They aren't going to railroad themselves into having 200-300k players at most just to please a few griefer happy PVP FFAs on MMORPG.com, no matter how badly they want it.

Most do but not all, Age Of Wushu had 20 million players at it's peak and now it's still up in the mid teen millions. I'm an avid PVPer but i also like PVP and Age Of Wushu is for me the best out there, some features of the game have never been seen in any mmo to date.

But yes i'm in agreement with you 99%

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2/13/14 1:39:49 PM#58
Originally posted by evilized
I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has already been discussed but why would EVE's sector pvp system not work with eq:n? Or for that matter something similar to the faction based pvp system or chaos/order in old UO? Those that want open pvp can flag themselves by joining a faction or going to a low security area and having fun while those that would prefer to avoid it can stay in the heavily guarded areas. Make it so you can attack other players anywhere but depending on where you're at you will die instantly to a God's wrath or some such h if you attack another player. Leave player policing to the unguarded areas and let the game police the safer places with harsh instant punishment.

This is where reading the thread first would really help you lol.

No one has a problem an EVE type PVP system on specific servers.  You get your PVP and PVPers stay on PVE servers, you wouldn't have a problem with that, right?

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  raapnaap

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2/13/14 1:42:00 PM#59
Originally posted by Storm_Cloud

I actually think it will be open world pvp, but, not in EQnext.

I think it's for the new zombie apocalypse game that SOE is making. The game that he welcomed all old SWG players back for. That game is most likely what he is referring to.

EQnext is a PvE priority, but sure, pvp servers will most likely be there.

 

Whichever game gets the proper EVE-style sandbox approach, is the game myself and the rest of my gaming community will jump to. There are too few games in that genre that aren't complete trash, the best ones being EVE itself and Darkfall. People that enjoy these games have been hoping for years now that something decent comes along, but so few companies know how to make this type of game.

  Rusque

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2/13/14 1:42:17 PM#60

What is it with the OWPvP crowd?

You know many, actually millions and millions of us love pvp, but we don't like OWPvP. 

EVE is a media darling despite being a pile. And people love to talk about EVE's pvp system. That's all EVE is! There is no other game in EVE. It's just PvP game with grinding materials the rest of the time. And you know what PvPers like to do? PvP. Hence the astronomical success of MOBA's and Shooters.

And no, EVE does not have "meaningful pvp" nor does is have a "player run game" because there is nothing else in the game to do. The entire game is predicated upon grinding mats to build ships to then subsequently lose them in a battle. Does sisyphus ring a bell here?

There's a small contingent of players who like the grind to PvP playstyle and I'm glad you enjoy it, but I hope EQN doesn't choose to make the entire game PvP focused, that'll be a shame.

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