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  Cures80

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Joined: 2/07/14
Posts: 31

2/11/14 4:16:28 AM#101

this is supersimple to answer: zenimax/bethesda/whoever restricted previews to the first lvls - which are the bad side of that great game. i dunno why they did it, but if they would have let out some RvR opinions, we would be in the old over-over-hype game already. And: the only opinions that count are those in the cb-forums, which are overall positive.

its daoc2 after all - its just many people dont/cant know that yet ;)

  kkarrabbass

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Joined: 8/17/08
Posts: 160

I was a smart man once...

2/11/14 4:19:39 AM#102
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by kkarrabbass
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by LisaFlexy22

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

This is pretty unfair. Why are the bandwagoners not excited instead of upset? It's because word of mouth has become so pervasive that this offering just wasn't that great. You can claim people that don't like the game, because someone told them it was bad are sheep. You can also claim the people like the game, because people told them it was good are sheep. It just so happens that far more people are reporting that it's not so great and word of mouth is spreading.

I like your post. It gives food for thought. I disagreed with some stuff and some stuff I thought took things a little too far. But I still liked it.

 

Let's agree to disagree.

Have your ever seen people gathering around person telling them that everything is good, wonderful and perfect?

People gather around person telling them that everything is bad, wrong, requires to be put down.

Because they all already have experienced some bad things in their past, and readily expect them to happen again.

Same with players. From many of those point of view, easier to assume that this game will follow typical for latest games way.

Crowd always tent to believe bad news bearers.

Not in my experience. I think that traditionally, hype gets people to act more like bandwagoners FOR the game rather than negative Nancys. We see it again and again. People apologizing and inventing strange situations to defend whatever they are hyped for. I'll give you that it goes both ways, but at least with AAA MMORPGs, I have always seen WAY more positive word of mouth than negative word of mouth pre-launch. And of course the "month after release negativity" sets in.

 

Even if what you say is true, there really isn't anything wrong with that. If people act very negatively towards the game before launch and a lot of people don't buy it at launch, positive word of mouth can spread post launch. As it did for WoW. I always get the feeling on this site that people don't realize that actually waiting to buy a game after launch to hear the reviews and word of mouth is probably a good thing for the consumer.

I can respect your experience, but disagree with you conclusion.

I agree that hype gets people to act more like bandwagoners. And we have seen that for all recent games. But why it didn't happen similarly to ESO? We can see (if not more than positive) much more negative posts than  for other AAA games?

Could you intelligently explain this to me? If you would say,  because game is bad, I will tell you that:

1. Even absolutely bad games have their hype times.

2. Negative posts started long before any  reliable information about game was available.

3. If you would check just this forum ESO activity for every day of last week, you would see that it more than 4 times exceeds NEXT popularity, but is not even among 7 top voted games.

4. If some of players do not like this game why so many of those are on crusade to sway others  their way? Why do they care? Or it is all about winning? Negatives against positives!

 

  BeansnBread

Hard Core Member

Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5566

2/11/14 4:38:43 AM#103
Originally posted by kkarrabbass

I can respect your experience, but disagree with you conclusion.

I agree that hype gets people to act more like bandwagoners. And we have seen that for all recent games. But why it didn't happen similarly to ESO? We can see (if not more then positive) much more negative posts then  for other AAA games?

Could you intelligently explain this to me? If you would say,  because game is bad, I will tell you that:

1. Even absolutely bad games have their hype times.

Hmm... I don't know.  It all depends on what you consider a bad game. Did Aliens: Colonial Marines have a hype time? I thought it flopped pretty hard. Without knowing what you think is a bad game, it's really difficult to address the claim that really bad games get hyped before launch. I would personally prefer that bad games get awful hype before launch.

 

2. Negative posts started long before any  reliable information about game was available.

Negative posts started around the time they announced faction locks. At least that's how I recall it. Before that, I think people were generally happy about the idea of an Elder Scrolls MMORPG. There were some detractors, but overall it seemed pretty positive before then. The idea of the developer choosing to restrict races to certain factions and then separating the world into 3 parts made a lot of Elder Scrolls fans upset. I was one of those people back then but it was a long time ago.

 

3. If you would check just this forum ESO activity for every day of last week, you would see that it more than 4 times exceeds NEXT popularity, but is not even among 7 top voted games.

ESO is releasing in less than 2 months. EQNext does not have a release date. EQNext:Landmark doesn't even have a release date yet. People are voting this game down because they were unimpressed during the limited time they had in beta.

 

4. If some of players do not like this game why so many of those are on crusade to sway others  their way? Why do they care? Or it is all about winning? Negatives against positives!

Why do some players that like the game try and persuade people to like it? Why do they care? Or is it all about winning? Positives against negatives! There really are 2 sides to that coin. Some people will act reasonable and some will come up with some cockimamy idea about conspiracy theories to make themselves feel better. On both sides.

I'm not saying the game is bad. I personally think the combat needs a lot of work, I don't like the quest grind style of PvE and I'm not very happy with their payment model. I am still wondering why holding this opinion is so abrasive to so many people. I'd say the prudent thing to do with any game, not just this game, is to wait until after release when there is a lot more information about it.

 

They need to get the info about the later game out. They can either show us gameplay videos of it or they can release the NDA. I don't think I've seen a single dungeon yet. In my opinion, it's really their PR team that is screwing them over the most. That is, unless there is something utterly wrong with endgame.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Species5021

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Joined: 9/16/08
Posts: 44

2/11/14 5:37:23 AM#104

I think it mostly depends if you are an elder scrolls fan or not. If you are, you will find the that the game already makes a lot more sense and know a little bit about the story which helps with immersion quite a lot so it becomes more enjoyable.
 (yes i know ESO is not made by the same branch that made skyrim etc but its close enough)

Now imagine being new to a rather complex style of game and playing it as an MMO to boot. A lot of people wont get it and immediatly start raging about it.

Second is the free to play option, im not a fan of it personally, but im not a fan of the easy conversion system the USA does every time either. An 80 Dollar collectors edition will cost me in Europe the equivalent of 108 dollars. So the money grab has a lot of hangers on to which creates negative publicity.

Then you have a lot negative publicity coming in from people who played Skyrim, loved the world and how they did things and when they didnt see that in ESO it automatically sucks.

Granted ESO is not perfect. Not at all even. But what it did for me after playing the beta was make me excited again for logging in the next time thinking what i was going to do and and what would happen next.

I played to level 15 as a redguard nightblade, focussing on dual wield heavy armor with stealth skills and assasination skills to jump out of the shadows and debilitate, bleed and execute the enemy.

This worked perfectly for me solo and i did Spindleclutch (early level dungeon) with a self healing tank and a 2h handed dragon knight and it was pretty challenging but our skills complemented each other, even on the boss fight. They would Aoe and draw agro while i stunned and put the healers and evokers off balance and taking them out on low hp with my execute ability. Working our way trough the enemy untill the last man of theirs was standing with the most hp.

At the boss fight we had the boss switching randomly between us, putting us out of business with stuns and knockdowns and a harsh one hit kill AoE which you could live trough if you had put every single level stat into health instead of magicka or stamina.

As the rogue i ended up tanking to, because of my dps she took notice of me quite often at which point i would jump back into the shadows for 4 seconds during which the boss did not stop looking for me, just waiting patiently for me to come back into the light giving our self healing tank the chance to heal up.

We killed her in the end and we got some good quest xp and a skill point next to some blue loot (which isnt all that better ten some crafted stufff)

But it has downsides i could rage about and i propably would have if i had been using social media.

You don't want to compare it to Skyrim or even Oblivion. To turn the the elder scrolls into an mmo they had to make sacrifices.

The combat for one, instead of free targeting and being able to hit separate parts of the body. Now it highlights an enemy in a red body glow which shows what you will hit if you start swinging. The first thing that would suffer from this is archery, its a shade of its glory from what it is in Skyrim and the skills you get with it are sub par in my opinion. I cant see how with the current system you could do reliable damage to an enemy and it shows in the support skills aswell. Nothing out of the main archery skill tree which is just the weapon skills and passives gives bonus to archery. So its basically useless for now, maybe support when you reach level 15 and get weapon swap.

My second gripe is the sorcerer, i personally do not like it and it feels like they had  no idea how to put the class together. The class is already limited by the ability bar and its abilities are just awkward, the combat for a caster is not fluid at all.

Guess what classes i played the most in oblivion and skyrim, a mage and archer. So even though to me it feels like they raped both to the moon and back i switched to something else and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

tl;dr.

If you are a fan you liek, if you are not a fan you will not liek and spout heresy about it.

  kkarrabbass

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/17/08
Posts: 160

I was a smart man once...

2/11/14 5:43:53 AM#105
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by kkarrabbass

2. Negative posts started long before any  reliable information about game was available.

Negative posts started around the time they announced faction locks. At least that's how I recall it. Before that, I think people were generally happy about the idea of an Elder Scrolls MMORPG. There were some detractors, but overall it seemed pretty positive before then. The idea of the developer choosing to restrict races to certain factions and then separating the world into 3 parts made a lot of Elder Scrolls fans upset. I was one of those people back then but it was a long time ago.

 I am sorry, did you say anything that agrees or disagrees with my statement? Hard to understand. Besides

The idea of the developer choosing to restrict races to certain factions happened to be not a very reliable information.

3. If you would check just this forum ESO activity for every day of last week, you would see that it more than 4 times exceeds NEXT popularity, but is not even among 7 top voted games.

ESO is releasing in less than 2 months. EQNext does not have a release date. EQNext:Landmark doesn't even have a release date yet. People are voting this game down because they were unimpressed during the limited time they had in beta.

I am sorry,  but voting status remains more or less the same for months now. As I remember this game never was among most voted games. Of course, this site  has never been known as most objective and not biased one. And what it is again about " QNext does not have a release date. EQNext:Landmark doesn't even have a release date yet"? Shouldn't it work just opposite - close to release -higher hype?

 

4. If some of players do not like this game why so many of those are on crusade to sway others  their way? Why do they care? Or it is all about winning? Negatives against positives!

Why do some players that like the game try and persuade people to like it? Why do they care? Or is it all about winning? Positives against negatives! There really are 2 sides to that coin. Some people will act reasonable and some will come up with some cockimamy idea about conspiracy theories to make themselves feel better. On both sides.

You do not understand why?! Really? Are you kidding me?

Because they WANT to play this game! In order to do that, they want this game to succeed.

They want this game to have healthy population. Their goal is understandable.

For players who do not plan to play this game, it is of no consequence will this game succeed or not.

To not play this game they do not need this game to fail.

About conspiracy theory. I probably will not exercise my power of knowledge to discuss this subject with you.

It is personal matter to believe or not to believe. I is not personal matter however to judge someone for his believes. I for example would never question you right for such cockamamy avatar!

I'm not saying the game is bad. I personally think the combat needs a lot of work, I don't like the quest grind style of PvE and I'm not very happy with their payment model. I am still wondering why holding this opinion is so abrasive to so many people. I'd say the prudent thing to do with any game, not just this game, is to wait until after release when there is a lot more information about it.

 

They need to get the info about the later game out. They can either show us gameplay videos of it or they can release the NDA. I don't think I've seen a single dungeon yet. In my opinion, it's really their PR team that is screwing them over the most. That is, unless there is something utterly wrong with endgame.

I have not discussed this game at any point.  I did not give you any information about my opinion.

I was trying to discuss some questions, which looked strange to me. I do not know about conspiracy theory, but sure something doesn't fit to typical pre-release events development.

  WikileaksEU

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Joined: 9/22/13
Posts: 104

2/11/14 5:46:47 AM#106

Bad reviewers have played too much World of Warcraft. They are also comparing ESO with Skyrim, which is fucking stupid, as Skyrim is purely single player and ESO is an mmorpg. Big difference in both software and hardware.

 

Edit: Gamers today are spoiled and need a good slap in the face. Such a hard slap to the face they fly away across the room and into the wall behind them and leave a mark there.

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5566

2/11/14 5:50:51 AM#107
Originally posted by kkarrabbass
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by kkarrabbass

2. Negative posts started long before any  reliable information about game was available.

Negative posts started around the time they announced faction locks. At least that's how I recall it. Before that, I think people were generally happy about the idea of an Elder Scrolls MMORPG. There were some detractors, but overall it seemed pretty positive before then. The idea of the developer choosing to restrict races to certain factions and then separating the world into 3 parts made a lot of Elder Scrolls fans upset. I was one of those people back then but it was a long time ago.

 I am sorry, did you say anything that agrees or disagrees with my statement? Hard to understand. Besides

The idea of the developer choosing to restrict races to certain factions happened to be not a very reliable information.

3. If you would check just this forum ESO activity for every day of last week, you would see that it more than 4 times exceeds NEXT popularity, but is not even among 7 top voted games.

ESO is releasing in less than 2 months. EQNext does not have a release date. EQNext:Landmark doesn't even have a release date yet. People are voting this game down because they were unimpressed during the limited time they had in beta.

I am sorry,  but voting status remains more or less the same for months now. As I remember this game never was among most voted games. Of course, this site  has never been known as most objective and not biased one. And what it is again about " QNext does not have a release date. EQNext:Landmark doesn't even have a release date yet"? Shouldn't it work just opposite - close to release -higher hype?

 

4. If some of players do not like this game why so many of those are on crusade to sway others  their way? Why do they care? Or it is all about winning? Negatives against positives!

Why do some players that like the game try and persuade people to like it? Why do they care? Or is it all about winning? Positives against negatives! There really are 2 sides to that coin. Some people will act reasonable and some will come up with some cockimamy idea about conspiracy theories to make themselves feel better. On both sides.

You do not understand why?! Really? Are you kidding me?

Because they WANT to play this game! In order to do that, they want this game to succeed.

They want this game to have healthy population. Their goal is understandable.

For players who do not plan to play this game, it is of no consequence will this game succeed or not.

To not play this game they do not need this game to fail.

About conspiracy theory. I probably will not exercise my power of knowledge to discuss this subject with you.

It is personal matter to believe or not to believe. I is not personal matter however to judge someone for his believes. I for example would never question you right for such cockamamy avatar!

I'm not saying the game is bad. I personally think the combat needs a lot of work, I don't like the quest grind style of PvE and I'm not very happy with their payment model. I am still wondering why holding this opinion is so abrasive to so many people. I'd say the prudent thing to do with any game, not just this game, is to wait until after release when there is a lot more information about it.

 

They need to get the info about the later game out. They can either show us gameplay videos of it or they can release the NDA. I don't think I've seen a single dungeon yet. In my opinion, it's really their PR team that is screwing them over the most. That is, unless there is something utterly wrong with endgame.

I have not discussed this game at any point.  I did not give you any information about my opinion.

I was trying to discuss some questions, which looked strange to me. I do not know about conspiracy theory, but sure something doesn't fit to typical pre-release events development.

You got me.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  amber-r

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Joined: 6/21/12
Posts: 324

2/11/14 6:02:42 AM#108

I would assume that a company the size of bethesda and Zenimax know how to influence public opinion.

 

Just have to wait for them to start, it's really not hard to change opinion of a game.  All they have to do is put out advertising, pay all the mmo and game websites for large amounts of advertising so they instantly like your game and pay the youtube celebrities to cover the game.

 

It's pretty industry standard but for some reason they aren't doing it, maybe they are making the mistake of spending the money on the game instead of the payoffs.  Anyone that saw the reviews games like Guild wars 2 and ffxiv2 got and that played them will see how this industry works. 

 

 

  Zeddakis

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Joined: 9/11/11
Posts: 97

2/11/14 6:12:28 AM#109
Originally posted by Dulu

Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

 

Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

 

And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

 

My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

 

What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

 

I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

I'm suspicious of this post....wait do you think...could it be...someone from Zenimax trying to discredit the bad reviews?

 

  Doogiehowser

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2/11/14 6:12:47 AM#110
Originally posted by Dulu

Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

 

Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

 

And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

 

My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

 

What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

 

I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

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  stevebombsquad

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Joined: 3/20/13
Posts: 670

2/11/14 6:18:42 AM#111
Originally posted by MadDemon64
 

I haven't seen many reviews, but I have not heard "armor painted on" in the ones I've seen.

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upE802rZl7Q

If you can trust anyone for a game review, it's Angry Joe.

Methinks you're looking for a conspiracy theory where none exists and are just misreading people not understanding that just because they don't like a game, doesn't mean it sucks (I for one understand why people like The Secret World and see how it is a good game, but I myselfdon't like it)

Really? The same guy who praised GW2 to no end and then quit a few weeks later...... Yeah right....

James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?

  firefly2003

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Joined: 1/16/08
Posts: 2585

2/11/14 6:41:53 AM#112
Originally posted by Dulu

Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

 

Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

 

And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

 

My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

 

What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

 

I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

When sites like these hype potential train wrecks like ESO and other throwaway games like it, it throws up red flags , but then again after playing it, and the disappointed feeling when I came away from it , confirms my suspicions. With almost all the recent posts are ESO posts only I think someone paid people to come here to drum up hype for a game that quite a few reviewers have given bad reviews of the game. What have we seen over the years now for each game to be hyped to almost fanatic levels? Here is what I have witness and observed.

 

Its a nasty cycle, the next big shiny "MMORPG lite" , the WoW killer, the second coming of Jesus, fanbois are there it seems for everyone of these big title launches usually the same people who were fanbois of other launches of games that were hyped thru the roof as well, months later abandoning the game awaiting for the next big thing cause they ran out of excuses to feverishly defend a game that wasnt that great to begin with, cause they didnt do their research, or just prone to playing bad game after bad game.

People who test these games objectively, and look if the game hooks them for the first few levels when it doesnt grow on them , its a sure bet your not going to like the rest of the game either, but don't tell that to fanbois your a hater... its cool to call someone a hater these days, even though a person may have valid criticisms of the game, but they see flash, and fancy graphics, and explosions and the new shinyness of the game. So fanbois stay with their new toy , after launch people star to leave in droves cause people finally reach the level cap and find out after hiding behind NDAs there is nothing to do, people go to the forums and make thier opinions heard and feedback, the fanboi brigades come out feverishly attacking anyone with any criticism about their FOTM game even it is once again valid points. The hype dies off for the game, subs drop like a rock, people leave in droves, months later the announcement for a F2P conversion is in the works, fanbois quietly disappear never to be heard from again, months later you see them posting again cheerleading for their new shiny.

Its a nasty cycle, as I mentioned before it repeats over and over again, so the best defense is to stay away from the hype. People will always have different opinions just like I had mine here, that doesn't make me or others haters cause I don't like something you may like, people aren't meant to like or agree with everyone its human nature. Noone's opinion is more right or more valid than the other.

  amber-r

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Joined: 6/21/12
Posts: 324

2/11/14 6:52:35 AM#113
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by MadDemon64
 

I haven't seen many reviews, but I have not heard "armor painted on" in the ones I've seen.

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upE802rZl7Q

If you can trust anyone for a game review, it's Angry Joe.

Methinks you're looking for a conspiracy theory where none exists and are just misreading people not understanding that just because they don't like a game, doesn't mean it sucks (I for one understand why people like The Secret World and see how it is a good game, but I myselfdon't like it)

Really? The same guy who praised GW2 to no end and then quit a few weeks later...... Yeah right....

From what I've been reading angry joe accepts a lot of money from publishers and movie studios, you can tell that quite quickly just from looking at a lot of his videos.

 

I don't think there is anything really wrong with that but people should be able to see him for what he is.

  ImprovV

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 16

2/11/14 6:54:00 AM#114
Originally posted by Dulu

My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

Okay stick with me here because it might be a little complicated.

 

It's because...OPINIONS. Yes, believe it or not human beings are not part of a hive mind and we are all capable of thinking for ourselves.

Games you thought were shit are not actually shit to plenty of other people and games you like are shit to others. 

 

I know the concept is outrageous but try to let it sink in.

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5566

2/11/14 6:54:35 AM#115
Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by MadDemon64
 

I haven't seen many reviews, but I have not heard "armor painted on" in the ones I've seen.

Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upE802rZl7Q

If you can trust anyone for a game review, it's Angry Joe.

Methinks you're looking for a conspiracy theory where none exists and are just misreading people not understanding that just because they don't like a game, doesn't mean it sucks (I for one understand why people like The Secret World and see how it is a good game, but I myselfdon't like it)

Really? The same guy who praised GW2 to no end and then quit a few weeks later...... Yeah right....

From what I've been reading angry joe accepts a lot of money from publishers and movie studios, you can tell that quite quickly just from looking at a lot of his videos.

 

I don't think there is anything really wrong with that but people should be able to see him for what he is.

Do you have a source? The part that you've been reading.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  otacu

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Joined: 4/08/12
Posts: 552

2/11/14 6:56:48 AM#116

Conspiracies! Consipracies everywhere!

"They don't like MY game! How can it be? There MUST be something fishy going on..."

  ImprovV

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 16

2/11/14 6:58:56 AM#117
Originally posted by otacu

Conspiracies! Consipracies everywhere!

"They don't like MY game! How can it be? There MUST be something fishy going on..."

Or "they like a game I don't like! There MUST be something fishy going on those corrupt bastards!"

People like OP are idiots.

  simon155

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Joined: 4/28/13
Posts: 22

2/11/14 8:08:10 AM#118

I know exactly what you mean. I've seen a lot of that on threads like this.

BUT I know for a fact it's being widely approved of. Certainly it seems to be a very vocal minority giving it bad press. Friends are all excited about it and looking forward to it. People I've spoken to that have seen it are all excited about it. Graphics are beautiful.  The responses are generally great. Everyone seems to be either pre-ordering or planning to buy on release. 

Personally I've joined the pre-order crowd lol. I'm told there are a LOT of people joining that crowd - I heard something about white horses that makes it easier to get an idea of those.

I can't wait for it.

 

 

In regards to the negativity, there are lots of reasons they might do it. Some may be very poor and upset about pricing, as they can't afford it, so might resort to negativity in their distress. Others may be very settled in other games and distressed at the thought of losing their guilds and friends to something new and better. Others may be on the payroll or staff from certain big competitors hahah. Payroll check? lol. Who knows, but to some extent I guess any of the above can play a part. For some it may just not be their scene. They will find something they like I'm sure - might just not be such a big thing as I expect this will be.

  gervaise1

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Posts: 1486

2/11/14 8:12:05 AM#119
Originally posted by Asheram

You must be new to this site.

Anyhow I am enjoying the game, don't regret my IMP ce purchase, but to be honest I will probably only sub for 3-4 months

Not directed at you but: So you are not going to sub for 5 years. Why not? Only $15 a month yada yada yada. Cost of a xxx whatever.

This is a key problem trying to launch a sub based game today.

All Zenimax are going to get from "you" is the box price + another $45 to $60 from the sub.

Yet having a sub will cost them tens of millions of box sales - the game will sell millions for sure but tens of millions?. A couple of extra box sales would pretty much cover what they will get from your sub.

Scrap the sub go B2P with paid DLC drops. Pull content from the core game if needed. Rather than sell a gigantic game for $60 simply sell a huge game for $60 and hold stuff back to sell as DLC.

  IDontThinkSoNo

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Joined: 11/22/13
Posts: 63

2/11/14 8:13:36 AM#120
Originally posted by Dulu

Been on the MMO scene for a very long time

Every time someone starts off a post with something like this, I cease reading because what is to follow is generally vapid.

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