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  Monorojo

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2/11/14 12:51:50 AM#81

This is a niche game through and through.

Not very hard to understand why the majority don't like it.

 

That being said me and gf thoroughly enjoyed beta weekend and im going to buy the game for her birthday.

  Iceman8235

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2/11/14 12:57:08 AM#82
You seem to think that your opinion represents a majority and that if anyone doesn't agree with you it's suspicious.  I've been in the ESO beta for a while now and have a hard time believing they've spent over 200 million dollars on the game so far.  It has some of the most basic animations, most bland abilities, and hands down the worst questing I've seen in an mmo in the last 10 years.  In this particular case, most of the reviews I've seen of the game tend to agree with me.  That doesn't always happen, but in this case it did.  That's why it's called an opinion.  I would bet most of my savings that the game will be free to play within a year, especially given the high profile competition it has in Wildstar and the next WoW expansion.  The only saving grace it may or may not have is PvP.  If they do that right they have a chance, but given how the rest of the game is panning out I don't like their odds.
  kkarrabbass

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2/11/14 1:16:08 AM#83
Originally posted by Iceman8235
You seem to think that your opinion represents a majority and that if anyone doesn't agree with you it's suspicious.  I've been in the ESO beta for a while now and have a hard time believing they've spent over 200 million dollars on the game so far.  It has some of the most basic animations, most bland abilities, and hands down the worst questing I've seen in an mmo in the last 10 years.  In this particular case, most of the reviews I've seen of the game tend to agree with me.  That doesn't always happen, but in this case it did.  That's why it's called an opinion.  I would bet most of my savings that the game will be free to play within a year, especially given the high profile competition it has in Wildstar and the next WoW expansion.  The only saving grace it may or may not have is PvP.  If they do that right they have a chance, but given how the rest of the game is panning out I don't like their odds.

I see you didn’t even read whole post. So, it is no wonder that your response has nothing to do with it.

Or maybe you had hard time comprehending the question? Anyway I heard responses like yours (but on relevant posts) hundreds of times. You didn’t say anything new. But you have expressed your personal opinion, right? It is good! Feel better now?

  flguy147

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Joined: 1/15/09
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2/11/14 1:20:15 AM#84
Originally posted by Iceman8235
You seem to think that your opinion represents a majority and that if anyone doesn't agree with you it's suspicious.  I've been in the ESO beta for a while now and have a hard time believing they've spent over 200 million dollars on the game so far.  It has some of the most basic animations, most bland abilities, and hands down the worst questing I've seen in an mmo in the last 10 years.  In this particular case, most of the reviews I've seen of the game tend to agree with me.  That doesn't always happen, but in this case it did.  That's why it's called an opinion.  I would bet most of my savings that the game will be free to play within a year, especially given the high profile competition it has in Wildstar and the next WoW expansion.  The only saving grace it may or may not have is PvP.  If they do that right they have a chance, but given how the rest of the game is panning out I don't like their odds.

I know its your opinion.  But in my opinion its the best questing i have ever played in a MMO and that is about 8-9 years.  It may go free to play because that is the trend now.  Sounds like you may like Wildstar, i couldnt handle 10 minutes in the game before turning it off, Wildstar maybe a great game but definitely not for me.  People like different games and ESO is incredible to me personally as a game concept so far from what i have seen.

  LisaFlexy22

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Joined: 2/10/14
Posts: 422

2/11/14 1:24:07 AM#85

I think it's a combination of a few different things why the game seems to be getting the worst pre-launch hype I've seen of an MMO.

 

1.  One of the biggest mmo news sites Massively has a negative agenda towards the game and consistently tries to make it look as bad as possible any chance they get.  Bree to Play, the editor-in-chief has a grudge against the game because she feels Zenimax didn't respect Massively and show them any attention at one of the gaming conventions.  She had a few personal blog posts about this a few years ago, I don't know if they are still up or not.  I think with all the hooplah lately she may have deleted them but I read them at one point and it was pretty obvious she felt a lot of resentment towards Zenimax and ESO.

 

2.  Despite the masses saying they don't want themepark clones - the vast majority of mmo gamers do want themepark clones.  Just look at the media positivity and hype towards Wildstar.  Endless amounts of complaints I have heard about ESO are because it doesn't stick to typical themepark model conventions.  "No minimap!!  That's stupid!!??"  "I can't see damage numbers on top of mobs!!??  I hate that!!"  "Crafting is too complex!!!" etc etc.

 

3.  Most people who are in positions of doing reviews for these sites are the wow generation of mmo gamers grown up.  And while ESO is a themepark it does not seem to appeal to the typical wow mmo player or themepark clone mmo gamer.  Again see number 2.

 

4.  Long history of single player RPG single player games.  Making into an mmo has resulted in many mmo players being unhappy with elements that are too Elder Scrolls like and Elder Scrolls fans being unhappy it's too mmo like.

 

5.  America more and more loves to see a big name crash and burn.  Whether it's a celebrity, sports team, video game, etc.  If it's a big name, it just results in glee for so many people to see it's demise.

 

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

  Speiberbob

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2/11/14 1:27:20 AM#86

it was fun for me,

could´nt play rift after it anymore :(

(Translation: some games get super high scores and dont get me and some soso scores, and they have the package to hook me)

mediocre Review dont mean you cant enjoy the hell out of the game.

 

 

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  BlackWatch

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2/11/14 1:28:05 AM#87

I did play the BETA.  I wasn't overly impressed.  

 

I know that most people don't like the 'tab-target' style of combat from OTHER MMO's, but the FPS style combat in ESO with the graphics from 1999 really do make this game feel outdated before it's even released.

I purchased the Imp Ed... and honestly... I wish I hadn't.  Just being honest.

Unless they change the game dramatically, which I doubt they will... I won't play it much.  Maybe 1-2 months at best.  

  kkarrabbass

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2/11/14 1:38:02 AM#88
Originally posted by Iceman8235
You seem to think that your opinion represents a majority and that if anyone doesn't agree with you it's suspicious.  I've been in the ESO beta for a while now and have a hard time believing they've spent over 200 million dollars on the game so far.  It has some of the most basic animations, most bland abilities, and hands down the worst questing I've seen in an mmo in the last 10 years.  In this particular case, most of the reviews I've seen of the game tend to agree with me.  That doesn't always happen, but in this case it did.  That's why it's called an opinion.  I would bet most of my savings that the game will be free to play within a year, especially given the high profile competition it has in Wildstar and the next WoW expansion.  The only saving grace it may or may not have is PvP.  If they do that right they have a chance, but given how the rest of the game is panning out I don't like their odds.

I also wonder, why  have you been in the ESO beta for a while (what kept you there?), if according to your words it has "worst questing I've seen in an mmo in the last 10 years", and other features also not so good?

 

  BeansnBread

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2/11/14 1:44:05 AM#89
Originally posted by LisaFlexy22

I think it's a combination of a few different things why the game seems to be getting the worst pre-launch hype I've seen of an MMO.

 

1.  One of the biggest mmo news sites Massively has a negative agenda towards the game and consistently tries to make it look as bad as possible any chance they get.  Bree to Play, the editor-in-chief has a grudge against the game because she feels Zenimax didn't respect Massively and show them any attention at one of the gaming conventions.  She had a few personal blog posts about this a few years ago, I don't know if they are still up or not.  I think with all the hooplah lately she may have deleted them but I read them at one point and it was pretty obvious she felt a lot of resentment towards Zenimax and ESO.

Weird, I would like to see some sort of evidence.

 

2.  Despite the masses saying they don't want themepark clones - the vast majority of mmo gamers do want themepark clones.  Just look at the media positivity and hype towards Wildstar.  Endless amounts of complaints I have heard about ESO are because it doesn't stick to typical themepark model conventions.  "No minimap!!  That's stupid!!??"  "I can't see damage numbers on top of mobs!!??  I hate that!!"  "Crafting is too complex!!!" etc etc.

I rarely see any of those complaints. I see a lot of combat, animations, questing focus, empty world, no reason to group and linearity as the main complaints. Those have actually been a staple for themepark MMORPGs for a very long time now. 

 

3.  Most people who are in positions of doing reviews for these sites are the wow generation of mmo gamers grown up.  And while ESO is a themepark it does not seem to appeal to the typical wow mmo player or themepark clone mmo gamer.  Again see number 2.

That could be a possibility. But I also think that there are a lot of themepark themes in the game that a WoW player should be able to wrap their head around.

 

4.  Long history of single player RPG single player games.  Making into an mmo has resulted in many mmo players being unhappy with elements that are too Elder Scrolls like and Elder Scrolls fans being unhappy it's too mmo like.

Yeah, I see this as a major issue as well. It's just a really tough IP to tackle from the get go. The expectations for this game are all over the place and it makes it a really difficult game to nail down.

 

5.  America more and more loves to see a big name crash and burn.  Whether it's a celebrity, sports team, video game, etc.  If it's a big name, it just results in glee for so many people to see it's demise.

I don't know about this. Schadenfreude has been going on for as long as man has existed. If you look as recently as GW2, that was extremely hyped with admittedly more than a few people that hated it and expressed their negative opinion about it. But has anything this big recently gotten this much negativity? Maybe everything has changed in America since then, but I think it's more likely people just don't like the early game very much so far.

 

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

This is pretty unfair. Why are the bandwagoners not excited instead of upset? It's because word of mouth has become so pervasive that this offering just wasn't that great. You can claim people that don't like the game, because someone told them it was bad are sheep. You can also claim the people like the game, because people told them it was good are sheep. It just so happens that far more people are reporting that it's not so great and word of mouth is spreading.

I like your post. It gives food for thought. I disagreed with some stuff and some stuff I thought took things a little too far. But I still liked it.

 

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  jesad

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2/11/14 1:45:09 AM#90
Originally posted by gestalt11

Let me make this as clear as I can.

 

By and large the "media" do nothing but lie.  They do it by omission and comission and sometimes by out right making shit up.  They are just so willfully non-observant they don't even understand they are doing it.  It's not a lie if you believe it, Jerry.  Also many of them are just plain corrupt (either for money or ideaology, no difference there really.  Ideaology always comes back to money either yours or someone else's), probably most of them to some degree.

 

One of the biggest lies of the past 6 decades or so is that of a professionally trained to be objective press whose job is to provide you information.  This is a bald faced lie.  There is a reason many older newspapers in the US have names like "The [City] Democrat".  Its because before this trend they didn't feel like they needed to hide what everyone already knew.  That paper had certain loyalties.  Some papers portrayed themselves are more rounded but there were literally tons of newspapers all over the country that proclaimed their loyalties one way or the other.

 

And then slowly they all started to pretend to be fair or objective until there was a monolithic professional facade, yet we all still know one obvious fact.  They can't find an objective fact even if was glued to their asses and they are supposedly paid to find things out (hah good joke there, they are really paid to just talk about stuff.  Finding stuff out is for detectives dontchaknow.

 

The modern age of the internet is erroding this fakery.  Slowly but surely we are returning to ideas of a less modern time.  It is ironic that modern technology is just proving to restore something everyone took for granted as a fact 100 years ago.  By and large the press lies and does little else.

Love this guy.

  kkarrabbass

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2/11/14 1:47:29 AM#91
Originally posted by LisaFlexy22

I think it's a combination of a few different things why the game seems to be getting the worst pre-launch hype I've seen of an MMO.

 

1.  One of the biggest mmo news sites Massively has a negative agenda towards the game and consistently tries to make it look as bad as possible any chance they get.  Bree to Play, the editor-in-chief has a grudge against the game because she feels Zenimax didn't respect Massively and show them any attention at one of the gaming conventions.  She had a few personal blog posts about this a few years ago, I don't know if they are still up or not.  I think with all the hooplah lately she may have deleted them but I read them at one point and it was pretty obvious she felt a lot of resentment towards Zenimax and ESO.

 

2.  Despite the masses saying they don't want themepark clones - the vast majority of mmo gamers do want themepark clones.  Just look at the media positivity and hype towards Wildstar.  Endless amounts of complaints I have heard about ESO are because it doesn't stick to typical themepark model conventions.  "No minimap!!  That's stupid!!??"  "I can't see damage numbers on top of mobs!!??  I hate that!!"  "Crafting is too complex!!!" etc etc.

 

3.  Most people who are in positions of doing reviews for these sites are the wow generation of mmo gamers grown up.  And while ESO is a themepark it does not seem to appeal to the typical wow mmo player or themepark clone mmo gamer.  Again see number 2.

 

4.  Long history of single player RPG single player games.  Making into an mmo has resulted in many mmo players being unhappy with elements that are too Elder Scrolls like and Elder Scrolls fans being unhappy it's too mmo like.

 

5.  America more and more loves to see a big name crash and burn.  Whether it's a celebrity, sports team, video game, etc.  If it's a big name, it just results in glee for so many people to see it's demise.

 

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

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  jesad

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2/11/14 2:03:08 AM#92
Originally posted by LisaFlexy22

I think it's a combination of a few different things why the game seems to be getting the worst pre-launch hype I've seen of an MMO.

 

1.  One of the biggest mmo news sites Massively has a negative agenda towards the game and consistently tries to make it look as bad as possible any chance they get.  Bree to Play, the editor-in-chief has a grudge against the game because she feels Zenimax didn't respect Massively and show them any attention at one of the gaming conventions.  She had a few personal blog posts about this a few years ago, I don't know if they are still up or not.  I think with all the hooplah lately she may have deleted them but I read them at one point and it was pretty obvious she felt a lot of resentment towards Zenimax and ESO.

 

2.  Despite the masses saying they don't want themepark clones - the vast majority of mmo gamers do want themepark clones.  Just look at the media positivity and hype towards Wildstar.  Endless amounts of complaints I have heard about ESO are because it doesn't stick to typical themepark model conventions.  "No minimap!!  That's stupid!!??"  "I can't see damage numbers on top of mobs!!??  I hate that!!"  "Crafting is too complex!!!" etc etc.

 

3.  Most people who are in positions of doing reviews for these sites are the wow generation of mmo gamers grown up.  And while ESO is a themepark it does not seem to appeal to the typical wow mmo player or themepark clone mmo gamer.  Again see number 2.

 

4.  Long history of single player RPG single player games.  Making into an mmo has resulted in many mmo players being unhappy with elements that are too Elder Scrolls like and Elder Scrolls fans being unhappy it's too mmo like.

 

5.  America more and more loves to see a big name crash and burn.  Whether it's a celebrity, sports team, video game, etc.  If it's a big name, it just results in glee for so many people to see it's demise.

 

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

Had to have a cigarette after this.  Epic post.  Covered everything I was thinking plus taught me a couple of things I didn't know.  The only thing I think you could have added would have been Everquest guilt.

A LOT of people I know are waiting, hardcore, for Next to come out and they are violently afraid of getting hooked on anything else before that happens.  So when this thing pops up, and it not only seems good but seems like something that might cause them to have to choose come next winter, they immediately start to downplay it in hopes that it will help them ignore it while they wait for Georgeson to return with the grail (no offense to Georgeson or Next cause I love those guys, just saying).

There are even folks out there feeling this way about Garriott and McQuaids new things.  All of it adds to the din of naysayers that will, no doubt, eventually end up coming around if this thing delivers on what a lot of people THINK is going to happen.

I can't really say.  All I know is that I haven't heard a lot of opinions that I put any weight into either way based on any kind of real standards.  What did that Angry Mike or Joe or whatever guy say at the end?  "It would be the best thing ever if it were free to play?"  What in the world is that?  That's a whole other argument thrust into what is supposed to be a game review.  One that has little, if nothing, to do with whether the game is actually good or not.

But that goes back to what you were saying.

  kkarrabbass

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2/11/14 2:28:22 AM#93
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by LisaFlexy22

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

This is pretty unfair. Why are the bandwagoners not excited instead of upset? It's because word of mouth has become so pervasive that this offering just wasn't that great. You can claim people that don't like the game, because someone told them it was bad are sheep. You can also claim the people like the game, because people told them it was good are sheep. It just so happens that far more people are reporting that it's not so great and word of mouth is spreading.

I like your post. It gives food for thought. I disagreed with some stuff and some stuff I thought took things a little too far. But I still liked it.

 

Let's agree to disagree.

Have your ever seen people gathering around person telling them that everything is good, wonderful and perfect?

People gather around person telling them that everything is bad, wrong, requires to be put down.

Because they all already have experienced some bad things in their past, and readily expect them to happen again.

Same with players. From many of those point of view, easier to assume that this game will follow typical for latest games way.

Crowd always tent to believe bad news bearers.

  emperorwings

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2/11/14 2:32:57 AM#94
I'll be buying it even if some famous gamer dude says it's crap and lists in details the reason why. Because for me an old chinese quote "A true traveller has no fixed plan, and is not intent on arriving" in other words just be in the world and experiene it without worrying about leveling or finishing the game.

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  kkarrabbass

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2/11/14 2:37:24 AM#95
Originally posted by jesad
Originally posted by LisaFlexy22

I think it's a combination of a few different things why the game seems to be getting the worst pre-launch hype I've seen of an MMO.

 

1.  One of the biggest mmo news sites Massively has a negative agenda towards the game and consistently tries to make it look as bad as possible any chance they get.  Bree to Play, the editor-in-chief has a grudge against the game because she feels Zenimax didn't respect Massively and show them any attention at one of the gaming conventions.  She had a few personal blog posts about this a few years ago, I don't know if they are still up or not.  I think with all the hooplah lately she may have deleted them but I read them at one point and it was pretty obvious she felt a lot of resentment towards Zenimax and ESO.

 

2.  Despite the masses saying they don't want themepark clones - the vast majority of mmo gamers do want themepark clones.  Just look at the media positivity and hype towards Wildstar.  Endless amounts of complaints I have heard about ESO are because it doesn't stick to typical themepark model conventions.  "No minimap!!  That's stupid!!??"  "I can't see damage numbers on top of mobs!!??  I hate that!!"  "Crafting is too complex!!!" etc etc.

 

3.  Most people who are in positions of doing reviews for these sites are the wow generation of mmo gamers grown up.  And while ESO is a themepark it does not seem to appeal to the typical wow mmo player or themepark clone mmo gamer.  Again see number 2.

 

4.  Long history of single player RPG single player games.  Making into an mmo has resulted in many mmo players being unhappy with elements that are too Elder Scrolls like and Elder Scrolls fans being unhappy it's too mmo like.

 

5.  America more and more loves to see a big name crash and burn.  Whether it's a celebrity, sports team, video game, etc.  If it's a big name, it just results in glee for so many people to see it's demise.

 

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

Had to have a cigarette after this.  Epic post.  Covered everything I was thinking plus taught me a couple of things I didn't know.  The only thing I think you could have added would have been Everquest guilt.

A LOT of people I know are waiting, hardcore, for Next to come out and they are violently afraid of getting hooked on anything else before that happens.  So when this thing pops up, and it not only seems good but seems like something that might cause them to have to choose come next winter, they immediately start to downplay it in hopes that it will help them ignore it while they wait for Georgeson to return with the grail (no offense to Georgeson or Next cause I love those guys, just saying).

There are even folks out there feeling this way about Garriott and McQuaids new things.  All of it adds to the din of naysayers that will, no doubt, eventually end up coming around if this thing delivers on what a lot of people THINK is going to happen.

I can't really say.  All I know is that I haven't heard a lot of opinions that I put any weight into either way based on any kind of real standards.  What did that Angry Mike or Joe or whatever guy say at the end?  "It would be the best thing ever if it were free to play?"  What in the world is that?  That's a whole other argument thrust into what is supposed to be a game review.  One that has little, if nothing, to do with whether the game is actually good or not.

But that goes back to what you were saying.

I think, there is some point to it. And may be not only  Everquest related.

  BeansnBread

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2/11/14 2:37:24 AM#96
Originally posted by kkarrabbass
Originally posted by BeansnBread
Originally posted by LisaFlexy22

6.  Herd mentality bandwagonners.  A vast majority of people hating on ESO hate it because their friends hate it, or they read an article that hates it and there is a twisted sense of camaraderie joining in the hate of something.  Or they already hate it, decided to try beta and went into it 100% wanting to hate it so looked for anything to validate their already conceived opinion of the game.

This is pretty unfair. Why are the bandwagoners not excited instead of upset? It's because word of mouth has become so pervasive that this offering just wasn't that great. You can claim people that don't like the game, because someone told them it was bad are sheep. You can also claim the people like the game, because people told them it was good are sheep. It just so happens that far more people are reporting that it's not so great and word of mouth is spreading.

I like your post. It gives food for thought. I disagreed with some stuff and some stuff I thought took things a little too far. But I still liked it.

 

Let's agree to disagree.

Have your ever seen people gathering around person telling them that everything is good, wonderful and perfect?

People gather around person telling them that everything is bad, wrong, requires to be put down.

Because they all already have experienced some bad things in their past, and readily expect them to happen again.

Same with players. From many of those point of view, easier to assume that this game will follow typical for latest games way.

Crowd always tent to believe bad news bearers.

Not in my experience. I think that traditionally, hype gets people to act more like bandwagoners FOR the game rather than negative Nancys. We see it again and again. People apologizing and inventing strange situations to defend whatever they are hyped for. I'll give you that it goes both ways, but at least with AAA MMORPGs, I have always seen WAY more positive word of mouth than negative word of mouth pre-launch. And of course the "month after release negativity" sets in.

 

Even if what you say is true, there really isn't anything wrong with that. If people act very negatively towards the game before launch and a lot of people don't buy it at launch, positive word of mouth can spread post launch. As it did for WoW. I always get the feeling on this site that people don't realize that actually waiting to buy a game after launch to hear the reviews and word of mouth is probably a good thing for the consumer.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  MMOExposed

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2/11/14 2:40:45 AM#97

OP

 

this game, unlike those other games you listed, was based off the hype of another video game from another genre alone.

 

SWTOR was hyped off of mainly the IP. But also KoTOR

Warhammer hyped from IP.

GW2 hyped up from being B2P

etc etc

 

ESO is being hype from Skyrim/Oblivion. So many of those Elder Scrolls fans were doing the early attacking of the game during what would normally be considered the hype phase of the game. It ruined a lot of the hype that it could have got.

 

So out the box it had negative views.

 

Then when beta hit as well as news on the game design, people got to see what normally happens with bad game designed MMOs. the game design turned people away, and at the same time, it didnt have the blind hype to keep people interested beyond the bad game design.

  Kickaxe

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2/11/14 2:59:05 AM#98

Helluva a lot of insane in this thread.

 

So there were some previews of a game's early levels.  Some of those previews were negative.  Maybe the full game will elicit a different response from those same previewers.  Maybe not.  We can only wait and see.

 

In the meantime shouldn't we pile as much baggage onto this topic as we can muster?

 

Ya, I know; it's history repeating itself.

  otacu

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2/11/14 3:10:36 AM#99
Originally posted by Dulu

Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

 

Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

 

And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

 

My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

 

What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

 

I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

It's quite simple and logic actually.

Press rate 10 what's actually worth 8. Subtract 2-3 points and you're good to go

So with ESO a press rating of 6 is actually a 4.

 

It's either this or a well organized and secretive plot by the competitors combined. I don't know... i think the first options is more likely.

  freegames

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2/11/14 3:10:49 AM#100
Its true that Elder Scrolls is fine in itself, but many players are looking at the price of the game and get turned off at the start. There are plenty of so called good games that people do not like and plenty of so called bad games that people love. Games are subjective and having a single person like or dislike something may be fine, but the idea you have from a game is simply playing it yourself and judging. Many people are simply turned off by the 60 + 15 monthly which is 30 more than most other well known monthly subbed mmos on release. Though it is similar in pricing to some collectors editions and this one has a 80 and 100 collectors edition. Each person has a different view on the pricing, but it looks similar in pricing of other games without a sub. They also have to make back their development costs and marketing costs and there are rumors it costs them over 200m + marketing/packaging costs of maybe 50m. As long as they have at least 3 million sub for 4-5 months it should be fine or just play with the numbers until they make half a billion in that year. We could always youtube elder scrolls for the lazy. There is not plot, although a site that reviews a ton of mmos may judge them with more critical points than another gaming site. mmm food
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