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General Discussion  » ~If They Sell Founder's Packs Alpha/Beta For EQ-Next, Will You Buy It?~

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  jpaprocki

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2/05/14 1:19:28 PM#21
NO.  I will never pre-order anything from Sony.  In fact, I have no interest at all in Landmark and minimal in Next.  I have had enough of the Freemium games.

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  Ice-Queen

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OP  2/05/14 1:21:05 PM#22
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by Rusque
Originally posted by Ice-Queen

May go ahead and get the alpha today. I was impressed with their NDA lifting so soon, and that shows confidence in their product. That goes a long way to change my mind to buy it, when at first I wasn't interested because F2P.

Don't think I've seen a more bizarre reason to purchase something. Maybe you meant to say, "The game looked like fun, so I might be buying into Alpha even though it's F2P."

But being impressed with their NDA status as the reason to buy something . . . kinda weird no?

I don't think that's weird. Look at ESO, it's coming into another beta weekend event, nearing the launch date and the NDA is still in full effect. That tells me that ZO is trying to hide whatever bad publicity they know their game is going to receive. The fact that SOE has lifted the NDA in an Alpha version of their game shows how committed they are to being as transparent as they can be during their development process. It also shows that they have full confidence in their own product, and are willing to take both positive and negative comments.

I'm not a big Sony fan, but that goes a long way with me to gain respect in their decision to lift the NDA and like you said shows they have full confidence in their product, willing to take the good with the bad feedback. With today's mmorpg's we don't see that very often with a company.

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  JJ82

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2/05/14 1:22:29 PM#23

I went with undecided because I still haven't seen enough about it, unlike Landmark which I know enough about but still didn't get a founders pack because I don't think the perks they offered at their prices was worth it. I don't get founders packs for MMOs for the alpha/beta accesses, its more for the perks. Shroud of the Avatar however was slightly different because I wanted to help fund the game more than anything else.

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  JJ82

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2/05/14 1:23:27 PM#24
Originally posted by Ice-Queen

I'm not a big Sony fan, but that goes a long way with me to gain respect in their decision to lift the NDA and like you said shows they have full confidence in their product, willing to take the good with the bad feedback. With today's mmorpg's we don't see that very often with a company.

Or a forum.

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  blastermaster

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2/05/14 1:56:12 PM#25
Originally posted by Ice-Queen
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by Rusque
Originally posted by Ice-Queen

May go ahead and get the alpha today. I was impressed with their NDA lifting so soon, and that shows confidence in their product. That goes a long way to change my mind to buy it, when at first I wasn't interested because F2P.

Don't think I've seen a more bizarre reason to purchase something. Maybe you meant to say, "The game looked like fun, so I might be buying into Alpha even though it's F2P."

But being impressed with their NDA status as the reason to buy something . . . kinda weird no?

I don't think that's weird. Look at ESO, it's coming into another beta weekend event, nearing the launch date and the NDA is still in full effect. That tells me that ZO is trying to hide whatever bad publicity they know their game is going to receive. The fact that SOE has lifted the NDA in an Alpha version of their game shows how committed they are to being as transparent as they can be during their development process. It also shows that they have full confidence in their own product, and are willing to take both positive and negative comments.

I'm not a big Sony fan, but that goes a long way with me to gain respect in their decision to lift the NDA and like you said shows they have full confidence in their product, willing to take the good with the bad feedback. With today's mmorpg's we don't see that very often with a company.

 

Just want to forward you to this thread that discuss that NDA lift. 

While I'm happy to see it being lifted, I think it can't be compared to other "typical" mmo.

Keeping the NDA up just did'nt made any sense (type of game, type of "collaborative project", fact that they already sold access to it, etc..), so I don't think it has anything to do with confidence or not..  and I would be really surprised if they handled EQN the exact same way, (I would like it though and be happy!).

To answer the OP though, I would probably get it after (if) the NDA is lifted soon after alpha access are given (like EQNL).

 

(BTW, that's not to say that I agree with TESO keeping it's NDA up at this point, but that's another story.. ;) )

 

  DeserttFoxx

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2/05/14 2:01:32 PM#26
I will buy whatever the $79.99 option is, like I do for every game I buy.

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  Nadia

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2/05/14 2:19:06 PM#27
Originally posted by SuperNick

GW2 couldn't even come close to balancing the no-trinity system for PvE so I don't see how Sony are going to manage it.

GW1 did fine for balancing no-trinity system for PVE

  User Deleted
2/05/14 2:40:32 PM#28
No, because Landmark is basically their map/campaign editor.  If you've already put in for Landmark  you HAVE bought into a piece of EQN.  Maybe SOE doesn't see that but it seems extremely greedy for people who bought into to Landmark to not get grandfathered into an EQN founders pack.  I think it's only fair since those people paid a lot of money for basically a map/campaign editor.  Landmark buy in should equal Next founders pack free pass.
  rojoArcueid

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2/05/14 2:47:09 PM#29
not for a free to play game. I really want to play it but i am not that desperate. If there was a box price i could be persuaded into buying it early, but theres no box price so ill wait for the free launch and then support the game (IF the cash shop is decent)

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  MindTrigger

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2/05/14 4:21:53 PM#30
Originally posted by Pyatra
No, because Landmark is basically their map/campaign editor.  If you've already put in for Landmark  you HAVE bought into a piece of EQN.  Maybe SOE doesn't see that but it seems extremely greedy for people who bought into to Landmark to not get grandfathered into an EQN founders pack.  I think it's only fair since those people paid a lot of money for basically a map/campaign editor.  Landmark buy in should equal Next founders pack free pass.

I don't know why I want to educate people who can't be bothered to do it themselves, but here goes:

Landmark will be a full game, complete with PvE and group content.  It will be largely driven by the players, but it's not just "map editor".  Furthermore, currently, all you do in the game is craft/build, and that's because it's in a barebones alpha state for testing the building tools and systems.

I do happen to agree with you that Landmark folks should at least get into beta of EQN, but I won't be surprised if that doesn't happen.

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  skyline385

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2/05/14 4:33:52 PM#31
Originally posted by Kaneth
Originally posted by Rusque
Originally posted by Ice-Queen

May go ahead and get the alpha today. I was impressed with their NDA lifting so soon, and that shows confidence in their product. That goes a long way to change my mind to buy it, when at first I wasn't interested because F2P.

Don't think I've seen a more bizarre reason to purchase something. Maybe you meant to say, "The game looked like fun, so I might be buying into Alpha even though it's F2P."

But being impressed with their NDA status as the reason to buy something . . . kinda weird no?

I don't think that's weird. Look at ESO, it's coming into another beta weekend event, nearing the launch date and the NDA is still in full effect. That tells me that ZO is trying to hide whatever bad publicity they know their game is going to receive. The fact that SOE has lifted the NDA in an Alpha version of their game shows how committed they are to being as transparent as they can be during their development process. It also shows that they have full confidence in their own product, and are willing to take both positive and negative comments.

Partial NDA is being lifted this weekend and it's been announced that there will be no Marks on your screen this weekend meaning that even if you leak it, you aren't getting caught no matter how much the NDA is lifted. You will be seeing lots of ESO videos after this weekend test.

And SOE lifted the NDA because they are selling the Alphas and Betas. Most of the games (DayZ, Rust, Assetto Corsa, Entropy, Starpoint Gemini and the list goes on and on) which sell early access lift the NDAs. SOE isn't doing anything special in that. ESO isn't selling you Alphas/Betas.

Pre-orders are different as you can cancel them anytime, even after the NDA gets lifted. ESO might have some faults but not lifting the NDA isn't one of them. Even FFXIV last year started pre-orders without lifting the NDA until 20 days later.

Gotta love them paranoid armchair detectives on the forums....

  centkin

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2/05/14 4:38:35 PM#32

I consider myself an asset as an alpha(which they USED to call beta before beta became what they used to call stress testing) who actually does real testing.  I am not going to pay for the privilege of said.  They can pick me or not. 

It seems REALLY DUMB to me to charge for people testing your game.  All you will get that way is voyeurs.  You want skilled testers: people who will actually try to break things and report on how things can be broken.

If you aren't making bug reports frequently then you aren't doing your job as a tester or it is one heck of a polished game (this is assuming you are in the game early enough to make a difference).

  skyline385

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2/05/14 4:43:56 PM#33
Originally posted by centkin

I consider myself an asset as an alpha(which they USED to call beta before beta became what they used to call stress testing) who actually does real testing.  I am not going to pay for the privilege of said.  They can pick me or not. 

It seems REALLY DUMB to me to charge for people testing your game.  All you will get that way is voyeurs.  You want skilled testers: people who will actually try to break things and report on how things can be broken.

If you aren't making bug reports frequently then you aren't doing your job as a tester or it is one heck of a polished game (this is assuming you are in the game early enough to make a difference).

You can't get skilled testers because Alpha/Beta testers are selected randomly if not by giving Early access. 

And secondly, they aren't asking you to pay to test the game. They are offering a premium to those who are excited enough for the game to skip the random selection process and get in directly. There is nothing new in this. Either depend on your luck to get selected from a pool of hundreds of thousands or pay a premium to get ahead of everyone else and get in the Alpha. You can either battle it out with the competition or pay a premium to get in.

  ReaperUk

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2/05/14 5:16:45 PM#34
Originally posted by centkin

I consider myself an asset as an alpha(which they USED to call beta before beta became what they used to call stress testing) who actually does real testing.  I am not going to pay for the privilege of said.  They can pick me or not. 

It seems REALLY DUMB to me to charge for people testing your game.  All you will get that way is voyeurs.  You want skilled testers: people who will actually try to break things and report on how things can be broken.

If you aren't making bug reports frequently then you aren't doing your job as a tester or it is one heck of a polished game (this is assuming you are in the game early enough to make a difference).

What your post suggests to me is that you're a serial alpha/beta tester who applies to join every new game going in the testing phase, whilst convincing yourself that your the worlds gift to gaming developers.

If you'd have done the most basic research into EQNL, you'd have realised you're just the sort of person they don't want in their alpha phase. You've used the word "Testing" or "Tester" five times in your short post whereas that's not what the EQNL alpha phase is about at all. Testing in the sense you mention will come later in the beta stages. For now, they only want people who are genuinely passionate about the game to play the game as far as it's been developed so far and to give their opinions and suggestions of how the game should evolve. Of course we can report bugs but that's not the main focus at all. I don't even know how to report a bug come to think of it.

Everyone in the EQNL alpha phase has paid $60-$100 dollars to do so. There are no free wheelers at all. Only people with a genuine interest in the success of the game are welcome at this stage of development.

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

2/05/14 5:39:03 PM#35

A big NO.

I am sure it will be a pretty good game but i am not supporting any lame tactics by developers.They want you to  pay a founders,then a sub fee then cash shop lol,no way in hell would i support that.

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  Tokken

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2/05/14 5:42:45 PM#36

yup, I will buy it

  Torvaldr

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2/05/14 5:46:39 PM#37

I'm undecided.

If they keep with their current NDA philosophy, if they have a refund policy like they do now, and if the game looks interesting, then I probably would. I don't really want to do a lot of testing, but wouldn't mind getting in a little early if it looks appealing to me.

Their newer position on the NDA and taking the positive and negative feedback means a lot to me. Transparency is something I value.

The no trinity concept sounds great to me if they have defined roles like healer, support, and damage dealer. It's really the snap aggro tank thing I hate about the trinity, not roles. Both GW1 and Lineage have no trinity and they work great without it.

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  BeansnBread

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2/05/14 5:47:03 PM#38
Originally posted by Wizardry

A big NO.

I am sure it will be a pretty good game but i am not supporting any lame tactics by developers.They want you to  pay a founders,then a sub fee then cash shop lol,no way in hell would i support that.

There actually isn't a sub fee. And once the game is released, there is also no box fee. It's going to be a F2P game with a cash shop. Some people have said it might work something like PS2 where you can grind for stuff or you can pay to get things faster.

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  Mawnee

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2/05/14 5:59:28 PM#39
6 months ago I would have said no. But out of sheer boredom I did so for Landmark. The way these guys are running things and communicating. And the way this world feels. I'm in. They are doing a fantastic job and it makes me a believer again to see just how passionate and committed they are.
  Dreamo84

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2/05/14 6:03:34 PM#40
Try and stop me!

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