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General Discussion  » Why World of Warcraft is the King of Kings, The Greatest, The number one of all MMO's.

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  handlewithcare

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2/03/14 11:46:37 AM#41

I am waiting for titan ,not going to level to 85 to play new content .

if I could jump in without the shlep of levelling to 85 I would.

biggest is not always the best.

  djazzy

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2/03/14 11:50:54 AM#42
Originally posted by handlewithcare

I am waiting for titan ,not going to level to 85 to play new content .

if I could jump in without the shlep of levelling to 85 I would.

biggest is not always the best.

well actually, you'll get leveled to 90 if you buy their new expansion. plus there is good possibility that they will have the ability to purchase level 90 characters in the cash shop at some point

  GwapoJosh

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2/03/14 11:51:47 AM#43
Originally posted by djazzy

Is this a sports competition? Does it matter?

Is Titanic the best movie of all time?

Wow that brings back memories..  I took my first girlfriend ever to see that movie. I thought she badly wanted to see it. She assumed I wanted to see it.  Later on, it turned out we both didn't want to watch that crap.  Lessons learned lol..  And now back on topic..

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  Roguewiz

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2/03/14 12:00:49 PM#44

What makes WoW the "King" is the fact that anyone with a computer, access to a method of payment, and half a brain can play this game.  It is accessible.  It dropped at the right time.  People wanted something new.  Everquest, while a great game in it's own right; wasn't for everyone.  Some may argue that WoW isn't for everyone, and they're right.  However, Blizzard did something right when a late 50s grandma who has never played a MMO can install the game and start playing with minimal difficulty.

I'd like to see someone do the same research on Everquest.  Considering how old the game is, the data would be mind blowing.

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  IDontThinkSoNo

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2/03/14 12:02:34 PM#45
Meh.
  Husvik

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Having fun who cares.

2/03/14 12:05:05 PM#46
Yeah it was good back in the day.
  GeezerGamer

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2/03/14 12:14:29 PM#47

Just yesterday, I canceled my WoW Subscription.

Scenarios? Dungeons? Professions? Faction Rep? 

These activities are trumped by a few hours on Timeless Isle.

So now it's Raid or PVP. Big choices there.

 

 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Kyleran

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2/03/14 1:32:56 PM#48

Originally posted by DamonVile
What do you think would happen if every mmo gamer voted right now...not just people who happen to read forums. If the best isn't decided by the most popular what arbitrary conditions do decide it ?

Since choosing to decide it by popularity is an arbitrary (but probably the most important condition to a dev/publisher) criteria, you could easily pick other criteria such as complexity of design, features, or even how much it encourages player socialization, which is what most people are doing when trying to justify why their game (EVE in my case) is better than WOW.   Which is why you have to clearly define what you want to measure before declaring anything as the best.

 

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by MMOGamer71
With billions served, McDonalds is the best food ever !!!

That comparison has always been nonsense.

Why does McDonalds serve billions? Because there's a damned McDonalds restaurant in almost every city of every country in the world.

MMORPGs are a totally different beast. You can log in any of them from your home, they don't need to have a store in every city.

You are oversimplifying, management of company, price vs value, marketing and likely a dozen more factors all come together to explain why McDonald's is so popular. 

Same thing with MMORPG's, there are many factors that make WOW what the titan (pun intended) it is in terms of popularity, not just it's availability. 

In fact, when you think about it, WOW was one of the first MMO's to target running on low end computers (prior to this most MMO's expected the users to have a $1500-2500 PC to run well) so in many ways it mimic'd McDonalds by making it accessable to everyone and was likely a great contributor to it's success.

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  GeezerGamer

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2/03/14 1:54:50 PM#49
Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by DamonVile
What do you think would happen if every mmo gamer voted right now...not just people who happen to read forums. If the best isn't decided by the most popular what arbitrary conditions do decide it ?

Since choosing to decide it by popularity is an arbitrary (but probably the most important condition to a dev/publisher) criteria, you could easily pick other criteria such as complexity of design, features, or even how much it encourages player socialization, which is what most people are doing when trying to justify why their game (EVE in my case) is better than WOW.   Which is why you have to clearly define what you want to measure before declaring anything as the best.

 

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by MMOGamer71
With billions served, McDonalds is the best food ever !!!

That comparison has always been nonsense.

Why does McDonalds serve billions? Because there's a damned McDonalds restaurant in almost every city of every country in the world.

MMORPGs are a totally different beast. You can log in any of them from your home, they don't need to have a store in every city.

You are oversimplifying, management of company, price vs value, marketing and likely a dozen more factors all come together to explain why McDonald's is so popular. 

Same thing with MMORPG's, there are many factors that make WOW what the titan (pun intended) it is in terms of popularity, not just it's availability. 

In fact, when you think about it, WOW was one of the first MMO's to target running on low end computers (prior to this most MMO's expected the users to have a $1500-2500 PC to run well) so in many ways it mimic'd McDonalds by making it accessable to everyone and was likely a great contributor to it's success.

It's also not the best analogy to begin with. Contrary to current popular comparisons, people really don't consume MMORPGs like they do their hamburgers.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  User Deleted
2/03/14 1:59:29 PM#50
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by DamonVile
What do you think would happen if every mmo gamer voted right now...not just people who happen to read forums. If the best isn't decided by the most popular what arbitrary conditions do decide it ?

Since choosing to decide it by popularity is an arbitrary (but probably the most important condition to a dev/publisher) criteria, you could easily pick other criteria such as complexity of design, features, or even how much it encourages player socialization, which is what most people are doing when trying to justify why their game (EVE in my case) is better than WOW.   Which is why you have to clearly define what you want to measure before declaring anything as the best.

 

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by MMOGamer71
With billions served, McDonalds is the best food ever !!!

That comparison has always been nonsense.

Why does McDonalds serve billions? Because there's a damned McDonalds restaurant in almost every city of every country in the world.

MMORPGs are a totally different beast. You can log in any of them from your home, they don't need to have a store in every city.

You are oversimplifying, management of company, price vs value, marketing and likely a dozen more factors all come together to explain why McDonald's is so popular. 

Same thing with MMORPG's, there are many factors that make WOW what the titan (pun intended) it is in terms of popularity, not just it's availability. 

In fact, when you think about it, WOW was one of the first MMO's to target running on low end computers (prior to this most MMO's expected the users to have a $1500-2500 PC to run well) so in many ways it mimic'd McDonalds by making it accessable to everyone and was likely a great contributor to it's success.

It's also not the best analogy to begin with. Contrary to current popular comparisons, people really don't consume MMORPGs like they do their hamburgers.

This is what I was getting at earlier. It's a weak analogy. 

  GeezerGamer

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2/03/14 2:03:04 PM#51
Originally posted by Fappuccino
 

This is what I was getting at earlier. It's a weak analogy. 

Yeah, most of them are.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Holophonist

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2/03/14 2:05:24 PM#52
Originally posted by xpowderx
Originally posted by funyahns
Commercial success does not equate to best quality.  Now WoW is a good mmo but trying to say because it makes X amount of money means it is better than anyone else is wrong.

Never said anything about quality, nor anything about how much money WOW makes(neither does the link). Perhaps reading comprehension is in order.  Thanks though for the input!

 

You said it's the greatest. That's a statement of quality. Also, if this post is not about quality, then what is the point? That it is the most popular? What "naysayers" are you talking about? The ones that deny cold hard facts about subscription numbers?
  Holophonist

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2/03/14 2:12:34 PM#53
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Fappuccino
 

This is what I was getting at earlier. It's a weak analogy. 

Yeah, most of them are.

 

It's not a weak analogy. It's basically saying that popularity doesn't necessarily equal quality. As others have pointed out, the details don't matter. It doesn't matter if there's a McDonald's on every corner. It doesn't matter if they put lsd in their burgers. The point is that there are factors other than quality that determine popularity.
  Darknessguy64

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2/03/14 2:15:23 PM#54
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
With billions served, McDonalds is the best food ever !!!

 

Ah, the old McDonalds argument. It works if WoW cost much less and offered less quality to get those high numbers.

 

However, WoW costs just as much (if not more) as other MMO's and still is king. Do people choose McDonalds over a juicy steak? No. They choose the better meal. i.e. WoW is the Steak "For Most People". Obviously there are different tastes. That's why there are more games available then just WoW.

 

I know I won't change your opinion, but at least I took a shot at showing how stupid the McDonalds argument is.

  User Deleted
2/03/14 2:22:15 PM#55
Originally posted by Darknessguy64
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
With billions served, McDonalds is the best food ever !!!

 

Ah, the old McDonalds argument. It works if WoW cost much less and offered less quality to get those high numbers.

 

However, WoW costs just as much (if not more) as other MMO's and still is king. Do people choose McDonalds over a juicy steak? No. They choose the better meal. i.e. WoW is the Steak "For Most People". Obviously there are different tastes. That's why there are more games available then just WoW.

 

I know I won't change your opinion, but at least I took a shot at showing how stupid the McDonalds argument is.

I think we need to leave the whole discussion at this because neither side will budge. No one's going to be convincing anyone else of anything other than what each person believes to be true.

Round and round it goes.

  GeezerGamer

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2/03/14 2:31:47 PM#56
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Fappuccino
 

This is what I was getting at earlier. It's a weak analogy. 

Yeah, most of them are.

 

It's not a weak analogy. It's basically saying that popularity doesn't necessarily equal quality. As others have pointed out, the details don't matter. It doesn't matter if there's a McDonald's on every corner. It doesn't matter if they put lsd in their burgers. The point is that there are factors other than quality that determine popularity.

About the closest comparison in this analogy would be this:

People like to eat at McDonald's because they want to. People play WoW because they want to.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Colt47

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2/03/14 2:32:09 PM#57

Well, as a bunch of previous users want to use McDonalds hamburgers and steaks for an analogy, World of Warcraft is both the Steak and the McDonalds Sandwiche: You just have to know where to look.   For example, in the US KFC is a fast food franchise that we casually go to eat at, yet in Japan KFC is actually more of a middle tier restaurant chain.  The fact is that WoW is using different monetization models depending on the region, and one monetization model is clearly a fast food cash grab strategy.

Unfortunately, us users don't have any infographics to look at to make sense of the player populations by region, but if I were a betting man, the World of Warcraft population growth is happening in Asia, while the North American, European, and Australian populations are declining.   That is what I'm taking away from the community at the moment, anyway.

  GeezerGamer

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2/03/14 3:08:54 PM#58
Why don't we compare video games to video games instead of dinner?

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Darknessguy64

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2/03/14 3:12:49 PM#59
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Why don't we compare video games to video games instead of dinner?

 

Because you can't eat video games silly Geezer!

  Holophonist

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2/03/14 3:27:41 PM#60
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Fappuccino
 

This is what I was getting at earlier. It's a weak analogy. 

Yeah, most of them are.

 

It's not a weak analogy. It's basically saying that popularity doesn't necessarily equal quality. As others have pointed out, the details don't matter. It doesn't matter if there's a McDonald's on every corner. It doesn't matter if they put lsd in their burgers. The point is that there are factors other than quality that determine popularity.

About the closest comparison in this analogy would be this:

People like to eat at McDonald's because they want to. People play WoW because they want to.

Ugh. There is simply nothing wrong with the McDonald's analogy. It's meant to point out that popularity and quality don't necessarily go hand in hand. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about this. 

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