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General Discussion  » Why World of Warcraft is the King of Kings, The Greatest, The number one of all MMO's.

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  Ezhae

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2/02/14 2:42:14 PM#21

"The best" is generally rather subjective term, since what might be great for you probably won't be for someone else. I'm pretty sure WoW is the best MMO ever for some people. 

The fact, however, remains that over last year WoW was the only MMO to actually provide (and keep providing) full package of experience. In a way thanks to it being on the market for so long, giving the devs time to implement and polish features, but it sometimes felt like the other big titles that tried to be the "next big thing" never actually learned from WoW's success. 

Whenever a new title was released it's strengths usually were all piled up in single part of the game. If a game had good PvP it's PvE aspect were terrible and vice versa, great story/levelling hampered by unresponsive controls/combat , endgame vs early game, etc. While WoW never really was exceptional in any of it's aspects it managed to keep the balance between all of them which is what allows Blizzard to still keep a decently sized playerbase (there are still EU servers with login queues during prime time) 

  User Deleted
2/02/14 2:58:00 PM#22
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by Fappuccino
Originally posted by iridescence

I guess the OP thinks McDonald's makes the best food ever created, Justin Bieber is one of the best musicians in history and the Twilight and Transformers movies are some of the best films ever made.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

What you posted can also be filed under several fallacies.

I don't see how. It's simply applying the "It's popular/sells a lot so it's the best!" argument of the OP to other media.

Exactly. They're completely unrelated. 

A and B are popular.

A and B are of questionable quality.

C is also popular therefore C is of poor quality as well.

 

A conclusion is being made based on a premise that lacks support. That is, that WoW is of questionable quality.

 

The OP shared a link "supporting" the claim that WoW is the "greatest" and "number one of all MMOs." 

To discredit these claims, we need to compare apples to apples. Not apples to oranges (McD's and Biebs).

  DamonVile

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2/02/14 3:19:12 PM#23
What do you think would happen if every mmo gamer voted right now...not just people who happen to read forums. If the best isn't decided by the most popular what arbitrary conditions do decide it ?

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  sportsfan

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2/02/14 5:32:17 PM#24

WOW is one eye in the land of the complete  blind.

Frankly the crappy quality of video games in general makes me sick.

I bought a second hand copy of Dragon Age and "played" it for a few hours.

I stood perplex: do people spend their precious limited hours for such things ???

 

C.R.A.P. It is not too difficult to be King when the rest is subpar.

  MortisRex

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2/02/14 5:33:54 PM#25
Originally posted by funyahns
Commercial success does not equate to best quality.  Now WoW is a good mmo but trying to say because it makes X amount of money means it is better than anyone else is wrong.

Financial success is a subjective metric. It is proven to be the most financially successfully mmorpg, therefore projecting subjective observations in lieu of quantifiable data is actually far more disingenuous than the original premise. Just as the people harping on Justin bieber and McDonald s are making spurious comparisons. Regardless of your personal tastes, all of the above have objectively measurable markers of great success.  it flies in the face of all logic to say these are not huge successes. When someone makes a post addressing the subjective merits, then perhaps subjective observations or personal taste will have a bearing on the subject at hand, but when discussing success, it's pure delusion to argue against the success of WoW, Bieber, or McDonald's. 

  iridescence

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2/02/14 5:34:16 PM#26
Originally posted by Fappuccino
 

A and B are popular.

A and B are of questionable quality.

C is also popular therefore C is of poor quality as well.

 

Yes but you are totally mis-stating my argument.  I'm not trying to prove that WoW is poor quality. I am trying to show that there is little or no link between popularity and quality. Correctly stated  it would be:

 

A and B are very popular and of dubious quality.

C is very popular. The popularity of C isn't strong evidence of its quality because A and B demonstrate that it's possible for things of low quality to be popular.

 

WoW might be a great game but if you want to make that argument   you need to use something other than "a lot of people buy and play it!" as an argument.

 

 

  Shadoed

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2/03/14 8:54:40 AM#27
I think that most posts here completely miss the point, whichever way you look at WoW or Blizzard it is an impressive number of stats about a game that is both loved and hated in equal measures and has survived at the top of it's game for a long time now.

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  Canibaloler

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2/03/14 9:19:00 AM#28
If WoW is a king, he definitely would be Joffrey baratheon that everyone hates him and want him dead :P
  Betaguy

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2/03/14 9:24:32 AM#29
Originally posted by xpowderx

While there are naysayers who would like to say differently. Thought I would share some interesting facts about our beloved World of Warcraft, Also why no mmo on the market can touch WOW!.

 

Here is the link:http://media.wow-europe.com/infographic/en/world-of-warcraft-infographic.html  

Too much to post here! Hope you enjoy!

 It does everything better than every other mmo currently on the market.   By the looks of things also better than any MMO coming in the next year or two as well.  The only one that seems to be so vastly different and interesting is The Repopulation, here's hoping.

  Slampig

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2/03/14 9:25:57 AM#30
I still have a heck of a fun time playing this game. I do usually tend to stick in games for long periods of time, I have been here from beta, so for me, it is a winner.

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  WolfHaart

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2/03/14 9:30:15 AM#31

Sure, WoW has succeeded where others have not.

But to me, WoW is far from "King of MMO's". Numbers are numbers, looks good.

But to me, a good game comes down to what I feel about it. Not if it got big numbers it can brag about.

Also, I find people who's braging about this and that kinda anoying.

So yeah... To me the dicision whats a good game or not, comes down to the individual in question, not braging numbers.

But congrats WoW. Thanks for keeping my games free from the young ones.

  Betaguy

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Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

2/03/14 9:39:24 AM#32
Originally posted by PrinceDamien

Sure, WoW has succeeded where others have not.

But to me, WoW is far from "King of MMO's". Numbers are numbers, looks good.

But to me, a good game comes down to what I feel about it. Not if it got big numbers it can brag about.

Also, I find people who's braging about this and that kinda anoying.

So yeah... To me the dicision whats a good game or not, comes down to the individual in question, not braging numbers.

But congrats WoW. Thanks for keeping my games free from the young ones.

 It's not just numbers, the game play is also king. So many mini style of game types, so many great features, what you have to say? No other MMO does it better.

  Gravarg

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2/03/14 9:42:41 AM#33
People vote with their dollars, and which company was it that has over $12 Billion sitting in a bank?
  Shadoed

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2/03/14 9:55:55 AM#34
Originally posted by PrinceDamien

Sure, WoW has succeeded where others have not.

But to me, WoW is far from "King of MMO's". Numbers are numbers, looks good.

But to me, a good game comes down to what I feel about it. Not if it got big numbers it can brag about.

Also, I find people who's braging about this and that kinda anoying.

So yeah... To me the dicision whats a good game or not, comes down to the individual in question, not braging numbers.

But congrats WoW. Thanks for keeping my games free from the young ones.

I totally agree with you on the fact that whether a game is good or not is a very personal thing, but i don't see any bragging in this thread, the link is a link to pure facts about the game, no bragging, no one-upmanship, just plain and simple facts about what has been a very popular game in the years that it has been around.

It highlights how widespread the influence has been across the world, how much work has gone in to making it and keeping it relevant to it's player base and to me just how much support goes in to keep it up and running given it's size and complexity. I personally think that regardless of whether you like the game or not, you can't help but be impressed with some of those stats and whether you see them a bragging or just the pure facts does not take away from how impressive they are.

It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.

  alyndale

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2/03/14 9:56:40 AM#35
Originally posted by xpowderx

While there are naysayers who would like to say differently. Thought I would share some interesting facts about our beloved World of Warcraft, Also why no mmo on the market can touch WOW!.

 

Here is the link:http://media.wow-europe.com/infographic/en/world-of-warcraft-infographic.html  

Too much to post here! Hope you enjoy!

Yes! Yes, Blizzard gave us the best mmo we have ever seen. Nothing has touched it popularity-wise from 2004 through 2013. Nothing will ever again reach the stratosphere of gaming goodness than what World of Warcraft accomplished. We must bow down in awe at the advertisement that we see here. It is truth, and the truth will set us free! WoW is the McDonald's of mmo's. Yes, oh my heavenly cerebrum yes, WoW is just like Coca Cola. Not since Jell-O have seen anything as all encompassing as Azeroth! Why even, dare I say, even peanut butter pales at the "wonderfulness" of Horde vs. Alliance, GASP, I said oh my gee, I said it! Better than peanut butter...

So what...Before the steam engine there was only wind power or horse power or foot power. People laughed and scoffed that a contraption like a steam engine would EVER take the place of God's own breath in the form of wind power. Yeah well once uh the steam engine became the NUMBER 1 way to travel in the "Victorian Age", someone dared to claim that we could fly. Now, well, that's just going one step too far. NO MAN CAN FLY. Ha! Well now once we got into the air, well that's the "cat's pajamas", huh? I mean it's the "ultimate" way to travel. But, guess what? Some absolute nut-case makes a claim that we can leave the stratosphere altogether and...and..GOOD GRIEF, GO TO THE MOON! Absurd!

Yeah, Blizzard timed it perfectly, they borrowed ideas from the very game the top devs at Blizz were playing, (EverQuest), and made it a world-wide sensation. One hundred million humanoids have logged in and traveled Azeroth! Super wonderful and jiminy cricket, Batman, nothing else will EVER be as good as orcs, humans, night elves, dwarves, gnomes, skelly-people, cow people, jahmmin' trolls, snooty fruity blood elves, space goats, and so on and so forth. Goodness gracious, great balls o' fire WoW's end game philosophy of raiding and PVP e-sports are just way too next-gen to ever be out-done...EVER! I mean, HALLELUJIA! <looks up and smiles> History has a funny way of overtaking the "norms" we tend to get used to, doesn't it? Just ask Michael Dell and all the other guys and gals that have changed the way we think and communicate. Mike Morhaime knows this as well anyone in this genre we call Massively multi Player Online Games.

It goes as it goes, and something will eventually come along to stupefy our children just as we were with WoW. It is the nature of the beast to improve, gain knowledge, and improve on a current idea. It will happen.

Just watch, stayed tuned...

Alyn

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Just gimme some truth
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  WolfHaart

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2/03/14 10:49:09 AM#36
Originally posted by Shadoed
Originally posted by PrinceDamien

Sure, WoW has succeeded where others have not.

But to me, WoW is far from "King of MMO's". Numbers are numbers, looks good.

But to me, a good game comes down to what I feel about it. Not if it got big numbers it can brag about.

Also, I find people who's braging about this and that kinda anoying.

So yeah... To me the dicision whats a good game or not, comes down to the individual in question, not braging numbers.

But congrats WoW. Thanks for keeping my games free from the young ones.

I totally agree with you on the fact that whether a game is good or not is a very personal thing, but i don't see any bragging in this thread, the link is a link to pure facts about the game, no bragging, no one-upmanship, just plain and simple facts about what has been a very popular game in the years that it has been around.

It highlights how widespread the influence has been across the world, how much work has gone in to making it and keeping it relevant to it's player base and to me just how much support goes in to keep it up and running given it's size and complexity. I personally think that regardless of whether you like the game or not, you can't help but be impressed with some of those stats and whether you see them a bragging or just the pure facts does not take away from how impressive they are.

I did not mean for it to sound as facts that they were braging or anything. It was only my personal opinion. As I see it as "Hey people, look how good we are. Why not join the train?" kinda thing. But ofc, the numbers are impressive I cant deny that. And with the upcoming expansion with reworked models I can see that WoW will still go strong, with the graphics updating to more today-graphics.

Anyways, I should have mentioned more closely that what I wrote was only my own opinion of things.

  iridescence

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2/03/14 11:16:56 AM#37
Originally posted by Shadoed

ongrats WoW. Thanks for keeping my games free from the young ones.

I totally agree with you on the fact that whether a game is good or not is a very personal thing, but i don't see any bragging in this thread, the link is a link to pure facts about the game, no bragging, no one-upmanship, just plain and simple facts about what has been a very popular game in the years that it has been around.

I don't know how you could look at even just the title of this thread and not see childish fanboy bragging. Sure we all know WoW has sold a shit ton of copies and a lot of people love it. Literally everyone posting on MMORPG.com knows that. Cut and pasting Blizzard marketing material on here is just dumb.

 

You want me to pat Blizzard on the back for making a very lucrative game? Sure, if I was looking to invest in an MMO in 2004 WoW would've been an awesome choice. It probably still is even in 2014. Since I play MMOs though, not invest money in them, the only test that matters to me is "Is it fun to play?" and for me personally WoW failed that test.

 

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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2/03/14 11:38:04 AM#38
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
With billions served, McDonalds is the best food ever !!!

That comparison has always been nonsense.

Why does McDonalds serve billions? Because there's a damned McDonalds restaurant in almost every city of every country in the world.

MMORPGs are a totally different beast. You can log in any of them from your home, they don't need to have a store in every city.

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  djazzy

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2/03/14 11:40:38 AM#39

Is this a sports competition? Does it matter?

Is Titanic the best movie of all time?

  Canibaloler

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2/03/14 11:46:33 AM#40
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by MMOGamer71
With billions served, McDonalds is the best food ever !!!

That comparison has always been nonsense.

Why does McDonalds serve billions? Because there's a damned McDonalds restaurant in almost every city of every country in the world.

MMORPGs are a totally different beast. You can log in any of them from your home, they don't need to have a store in every city.

Your avatar wins the internets on this topic.. sir  xD

 

Edit: Dont forget china has the biggest population on earth so its the best country to live.  -_-

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