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  Tokken

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1/30/14 10:17:37 AM#21


Originally posted by SuperNick
Really guys? I've seen people who have gone as far as saying "Bethesda are disrespecting me! Never buying their game again" and "I'm looking at potential lawsuits right now"

So the complaints thus far:

  • If I don't buy an Imperial version, I will never get my Imperial race.
  • If I don't pre-order, I will never get to play any race on any faction. This game has a sub. It will be F2P in a week.
Let's evaluate the statements. Firstly, we'll start with how ESO isn't going to be paywalled. If you didn't buy an Imperial version or pre-order, it stands to reason those things are going to be achievable in-game otherwise they'd be.. paywalled?     Matt Firor said the game, in addition to the monthly fee, would offer players a chance to spend more on items in an in-game cash shop. “There won’t be anything like bonus points, but we will have a shop to buy kind of fun stuff and services too like name changes and things like that,” he said. So yes, there will be a cash shop but jumping on the worst possible scenario of having to "buy" the Imperial race and the any race/any faction functionality? Chill out and wait to see what finishing the Newgame++ yields. Plenty of MMOs work in this framework where you can add the entitlements offered by collectors editions to your account later down the road.   People need to calm down and wait for actual facts. You don't kick your community in the face by forcing them down routes, you give them attractive options that they can CHOOSE to pay a little extra for to have it sooner, much like the horse.   Lastly, am I the only one who thinks a sub model is just fine for games that are actually good and make good decisions? Sure, SWTOR went free, it was a crap game. It had poor business decisions made all around and it did that to survive the crap decisions. Yeah, GW2 was free from the start, it's entire model is based around minor content updates. LOTRO went free, aye, after 6 years? Old games do well to go free, it breathes life into them for a few more years.   I don't go to a restaurant and have a bad meal then become bitter towards every restaurant from that point on - simply put, I never really know until I've tried it or at least read a multitude of reviews. So why would I do it with an MMO when I have no facts to speak of?   So hey, calm down for just a few minutes, hold off on the lawsuits and buy the game you're probably going to buy anyway.


LOL. I want a cash shop, too. I will still play the game.

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  Margrave

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1/30/14 10:21:55 AM#22

I was very skeptical of TESO, then I got into beta. I know, I know.... NDA. Can't say I was in beta.

Well, I was. And even though some people here say that their time in beta showed them that it wasn't for them I had a very opposite reaction. I feel in love with it. Is it for everyone, no. At this point there is no mmorpg that will be a one size fits all. The market has too much choice, and options for that.

I have been a die-hard f2p supporter. I love the chance to 'try before buy' in titles. I think it's great. I one of those that loves Neverwinter. This title has had me tempted to pay the sub again. The first one to tempt me was FFXIV, and I resisted. The last numbers I saw about them were that they were at 1 mil subs. That's more than enough to keep a game running well. I continued to resist, and delved deeper into f2p titles. Then I played TESO, and loved it.

I have since pre-ordered, and can't wait. Will it go f2p? There's no telling. But there are still sub titles out there that are living just fine. No one will hit the WoW numbers again. That was just really great timing with an amazing IP. The market is drastically different now. There's lots more fish in this pond now...

  User Deleted
1/30/14 10:23:03 AM#23
Originally posted by aesperus
Originally posted by Tygranir
Originally posted by Tredo
It's super easy to explain  this game... it's not very good at all. If you played Skyrim you have played ESO, only difference is some extra people running around.

If you didn't enjoy Skyrim... why would you even be interested in ESO?

I've got to wonder this as well, and yet he's not alone.

This game is literally elder scrolls, done as an MMO. He's right about that. They've said that is what this game is going to be. And now, it's somehow 'crap' because of it.

Makes about as much sense as going onto the Warhammer boards and saying 'this game will suck, because I hate space marines'.

I knew there was something I forgot to do today!

 

But seriously I see your point.

  greenreen

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1/30/14 10:28:05 AM#24
Originally posted by asrlohz

That Matt Firor quote is old and outdated. Paul Sage put those rumours to rest. But considering the recent events, it might as well be a cash shop since they are going to be selling the imperial race in their store as an "upgrade" for the standard TES:O edition.

 

Also, Bethesda won't fall. Nor will Zenimax Media. Maybe ZOS but most likely not. It's the same as the doomsayers said about Mists of Pandaria when it was released. "Oh, this is surely the end of Blizzard". For gods sake no. It's not, these are multi billion companies. They are worth more than you, your father and the previous 19 generations of your family ever were and the future 12 generations of your line will ever be.

 

Hopefully they won't all be doomsayers. The game will most likely make a profit, but it won't be the game I had hoped for and will most likely not captivate me for very long with this "Purchase Convenience" options that have recently been installed.

But it's still too early to say. Considering the amount of dust this announcement has brought up I think it's plausible that they might retract and redesign their marketing and launch.

This is the Sage interview where they said - the cash shop was misunderstood or badly worded.

There isn't a cash shop in the way we call it cash shop. It's not microtransactions. It's for "services" like a name change request.

It's in this audio interview link starting at about minute 0:12:00 / 1:23:41

http://skyrimofftherecord.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/ep81final.mp3

  Iselin

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1/30/14 10:29:43 AM#25
Originally posted by Fdzzaigl
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

You will most probably be able to buy those things in the cash shop, eventually.

Does that make it alright? No.

Everything is eventual...

All things come to those who wait...

 

"Eventually" may take a good while to come around but who can argue with your logic?

As you can also read in my reply, I absolutely do not agree with the approach they're taking.

Based on the fact that they have cash shop plans already though, I'm pretty sure they'll try to nickle & dime the hell out of it even more.

Well that's where your logic stops and your speculative opinions begin. I have no comment on those other than to say that my crystal ball must be a different brand than yours.

 

Do P2P games eventually go F2P? Well the odds are in favor of that being true since it has happened to almost all of them...but you never know.

  Reham79

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1/30/14 10:32:50 AM#26
Didn't you guys see the scientific poll on this site by Capt Picard.  Out of 500 people 30% won't be buying eso.  After that scientific poll they might as well shut down.  
  JJ82

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1/30/14 10:33:43 AM#27
Originally posted by SuperNick

Really guys? I've seen people who have gone as far as saying.

Really guys? I've seen people who have gone as far as saying, "The game has to be made with racial/faction locks for realm pride" and "TESO is an MMO and sacrifices must be made from SPRGs so racial locks make sense!"

And now

"Offering a preorder special to allow any race/faction makes perfect sense".

Anything to blindly defend the game no matter WHAT!

See, there is a flip side to everything isn't there, sadly, the ones complaining had a legit complaint, that race/faction locks were not needed....you guys however, have no ground to stand on and Zenimax are the ones that took it from you.

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  User Deleted
1/30/14 10:35:31 AM#28

Where did all these ESO white knights suddenly appear from?  Guess its just par for the course when a new game is nearly out.

I do have to laugh that the same people that were saying 'Guys settle down its only appearance gear for Imperials! It's definitely not a locked race!' are now saying 'Guys they are totally going to unlock it for free when you beat the game!'.  I mean really... no.  Otherwise they would have said 'unlock the Imperial race early' or 'Play the Imperial race before everyone else'.  So delusional.

  lizardbones

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1/30/14 10:40:18 AM#29
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Didn't you guys see the scientific poll on this site by Capt Picard.  Out of 500 people 30% won't be buying eso.  After that scientific poll they might as well shut down.  

 

24% are on the fence too.  I think current numbers leave 38% buying the game.  Considering only 5% to 10% of the gamer population ever buys any given game, that is ridiculously good news.  We can expect, what, 70 million copies sold?

 

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  Niall18

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1/30/14 10:41:04 AM#30

ESO Isnt dead. Alot of people will buy into this crap of a module they have. Zen will make a Sh*t ton of money opening day. Zen will continue to make a sh*t ton of money for a year off of subs & when they feel they have made enough money & people start leaving the game, Zen will be the heros of the F2P MMORPG market for saying they are going to go free 2 play so that everyone can play. ESO sees a HUGE income of new players, Where more then 30% of that influx of players will spend money in the cash shop giving Zen an other Sh*t ton of money. 

This is the Business module for AAA MMOs. & people seem shocked buy it. SWTOR did it. Rift did it (Probly not on purpose but they still did it). Tera did it.

Its a dam good marketing/Business, They get 3 influxes of money Box Price, Sub Count, Then F2P Cash Shop. And when you think of it, They have 2 launches, An money is highest when players are 1st introduced.

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  Badaboom

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1/30/14 10:41:42 AM#31

Can someone tell me what is ESO offering that is different from GW2?  From what I see it is the same type of skill system and same type of pvp (with no open world pvp) but with no dynamic events.  GW2 did not have a lasting replayability (at least not for me or my friends), so what is ESO offering that's different to keep you playing for years? 

 

Edit:  Sorry if this is coming off like a troll, but I'm really pessimistic about this latest AAA offering.

  Fdzzaigl

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1/30/14 10:42:06 AM#32
Originally posted by Iselin

As you can also read in my reply, I absolutely do not agree with the approach they're taking.

Based on the fact that they have cash shop plans already though, I'm pretty sure they'll try to nickle & dime the hell out of it even more.

Well that's where your logic stops and your speculative opinions begin. I have no comment on those other than to say that my crystal ball must be a different brand than yours.

 

Do P2P games eventually go F2P? Well the odds are in favor of that being true since it has happened to almost all of them...but you never know.

Apparently I was going by outdated statements about the cash shop plans, therefore I retract that last statement.
 

However, if they might not make the current bonuses available at all later on, would that be a better thing? Honestly, in my opinion, it's a screwed up situation either way due to the nature of the bonuses.

If you want my crystal ball though, I think mine is completely aligned with yours when it comes to the odds of P2P games going F2P.

 

Originally posted by Badaboom
Can someone tell me what is ESO offering that is different from GW2?  From what I see it is the same type of skill system and same type of pvp (with no open world pvp) but with no dynamic events.  GW2 did not have a lasting replayability (at least not for me or my friends), so what is ESO offering that's different to keep you playing for years?

It's not the same as GW2 at all, believe me. The skill system is different in that you get 3 skill lines for your class and then skill lines for weapon types (but a weapon skill does the same thing for anyone).

There are dynamic events in the form of Dark Anchors, well sort of.

 

Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  Iselin

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1/30/14 10:43:19 AM#33
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Didn't you guys see the scientific poll on this site by Capt Picard.  Out of 500 people 30% won't be buying eso.  After that scientific poll they might as well shut down.  

 

24% are on the fence too.  I think current numbers leave 38% buying the game.  Considering only 5% to 10% of the gamer population ever buys any given game, that is ridiculously good news.  We can expect, what, 70 million copies sold?

 

That was my conclusion too... science is science and what's more scientific than an MMORPG poll? Am I right or am I right?

 

Damn...should have made that last part into a poll 

  Coldren

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1/30/14 10:43:57 AM#34
Originally posted by Margrave

I was very skeptical of TESO, then I got into beta. I know, I know.... NDA. Can't say I was in beta.

Well, I was. And even though some people here say that their time in beta showed them that it wasn't for them I had a very opposite reaction. I feel in love with it. Is it for everyone, no. At this point there is no mmorpg that will be a one size fits all. The market has too much choice, and options for that.

I have been a die-hard f2p supporter. I love the chance to 'try before buy' in titles. I think it's great. I one of those that loves Neverwinter. This title has had me tempted to pay the sub again. The first one to tempt me was FFXIV, and I resisted. The last numbers I saw about them were that they were at 1 mil subs. That's more than enough to keep a game running well. I continued to resist, and delved deeper into f2p titles. Then I played TESO, and loved it.

I have since pre-ordered, and can't wait. Will it go f2p? There's no telling. But there are still sub titles out there that are living just fine. No one will hit the WoW numbers again. That was just really great timing with an amazing IP. The market is drastically different now. There's lots more fish in this pond now...

I agree with this.

I have played it as well, and loved it. The only thing I don't agree with is the F2P philosophy. I have not found a F2P I enjoy, or enjoy for very long, so for me, a subscription is not a big deal, nor is the potential that they may have a cash shop in the future.

Maybe it is for some, but I'm a firm believer in "You get what you pay for". The moment I don't think I'm getting my money's worth, I stop paying for it and go elsewhere. I'm also not under the misgiving that I am entitled to anything - They state what they will give you for the price they are asking, nothing more, nothing less. 

I believe F2P has brougth about some of the worse personalities in the MMO community. Not ALL people who support F2P are the issue, clearly.. but there are quite a few mouth pieces for it.

 

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1/30/14 10:44:01 AM#35
Originally posted by Badaboom

Can someone tell me what is ESO offering that is different from GW2?  From what I see it is the same type of skill system and same type of pvp (with no open world pvp) but with no dynamic events.  GW2 did not have a lasting replayability (at least not for me or my friends), so what is ESO offering that's different to keep you playing for years? 

 

Edit:  Sorry if this is coming off like a troll, but I'm really pessimistic about this latest AAA offering.

Totally agree with you and I think its 3 months and done for this game.

  Iselin

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1/30/14 10:46:47 AM#36
Originally posted by Fdzzaigl
Originally posted by Iselin

As you can also read in my reply, I absolutely do not agree with the approach they're taking.

Based on the fact that they have cash shop plans already though, I'm pretty sure they'll try to nickle & dime the hell out of it even more.

Well that's where your logic stops and your speculative opinions begin. I have no comment on those other than to say that my crystal ball must be a different brand than yours.

 

Do P2P games eventually go F2P? Well the odds are in favor of that being true since it has happened to almost all of them...but you never know.

Apparently I was going by outdated statements about the cash shop plans, therefore I retract that last statement.
 

However, if they might not make the current bonuses available at all later on, would that be a better thing?

Honestly, in my opinion, it's a screwed up situation either way due to the nature of the bonuses.

Yes, to me it would be.

 

I've always been a proponent of having a small number of "defectors" playing in their off-alliance - the Imperial thing just came out of the blue and I wasn't expecting that at all. But my emphasis is in "small numbers". I wouldn't want it to be a universal option so the numbers can be kept low.

  Skeeter50

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1/30/14 10:47:24 AM#37
Originally posted by Badaboom

Can someone tell me what is ESO offering that is different from GW2?  From what I see it is the same type of skill system and same type of pvp (with no open world pvp) but with no dynamic events.  GW2 did not have a lasting replayability (at least not for me or my friends), so what is ESO offering that's different to keep you playing for years? 

 

Edit:  Sorry if this is coming off like a troll, but I'm really pessimistic about this latest AAA offering.

I played GW2, and let me say I THINK ESO will do right everything GW2 tried and failed.

 

The PvP will be the best skill based game of your young lives.

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1/30/14 10:48:21 AM#38
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Betaguy
It's the same few folks that post this doom gloom for all games...they been here years.

I'm starting to think they've branched out and are now doing the drama queen thing on multiple accounts as well.

A lot of people who just signed up too, probably got banned on their other accounts.

  Coldren

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1/30/14 10:48:47 AM#39
Originally posted by Badaboom

Can someone tell me what is ESO offering that is different from GW2?  From what I see it is the same type of skill system and same type of pvp (with no open world pvp) but with no dynamic events.  GW2 did not have a lasting replayability (at least not for me or my friends), so what is ESO offering that's different to keep you playing for years? 

 

Edit:  Sorry if this is coming off like a troll, but I'm really pessimistic about this latest AAA offering.

I would say several of those statements are wrong. Having played both, I can say for certain it plays substancially different than GW2, and it will definitely have a longer replayability that GW2 did not have for me, either. My opinion, of course.

I wish I could say more.. and I will. As soon as the NDA lifts. That's likely the most detail you'll get for the time being.

  Coated

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1/30/14 10:49:42 AM#40

This is all pointless because ESO will do well overall....

Not because of game play, not because of voice acting, not because of innovation. It will do well because it is has Elder Scrolls in the title. I could make a stick figure MMORPG with 2 minutes of content, slap Elder Scrolls in the title and I would make back 10 fold what I put into the development. The same could be said for TOR, Diablo3, Starcraft2 and an arsenal of titles riding off the success of its predecessors.

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