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General Discussion  » Poll - was the decision regarding the CE and pre-orders worth the backlash?

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  waynejr2

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1/30/14 12:10:24 AM#21
Originally posted by funyahns
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by DamonVile

When it comes to games your avg gamers don't rally behind a cause, doesn't argue about payment models, don't rage about development directions....or anything else you see go on, on forums.

They buy a game, play it till they get bored and then buy something else.

+1.  If anything I feel sad and embarrased for the adults who are buttsore over this.  Children get a pass on getting upset.

IMO, any press is good press as it gets people to hear about the game.

 Yes because calling people buttsore is a way to show how adult and mature you are.  I suppose though children getting a pass is fair enough to explain it away.   I don't think most people honestly care about this game enough either way.  The problem is that other gamers jumping up to throw good money after bad effects all of us.

 I think a lot you are underestimating the knowledge base of people outside of forums.  Pretending that you know more about them and acting as if they cannot process the information and come out to the same conclusions is pretty insulting to them.  Anyone who is going to agree to buy a game and then subscribe to is going to do a little homework on the subject. Not just randomly throw money away at it.

 

Buttsore is just meaning upset.  If I wrote upset, you might say I was insulting. If I used yet another term, you might make another claim.  Deal with it.

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  DamonVile

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1/30/14 12:13:59 AM#22
Originally posted by reeereee
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by DamonVile

When it comes to games your avg gamers don't rally behind a cause, doesn't argue about payment models, don't rage about development directions....or anything else you see go on, on forums.

They buy a game, play it till they get bored and then buy something else.

+1.  If anything I feel sad and embarrased for the adults who are buttsore over this.  Children get a pass on getting upset.

IMO, any press is good press as it gets people to hear about the game.

Zenimax is way more savvy than I realized if they did this just to piss people off so they would then go generate free advertising for ESO. 

 

Although I completely disagree with DamonVile's main point as it applies to mmos.  Almost everyone I've ever met in an mmo and talked to at length had played numerous other mmos, was fairly aware of what other mmos were out there, and already had an opinion of some sort as to why they were or were not good... granted it might not be heavily researched and they certainly weren't arguing over payment models but they were very aware of what was going on and generally had a reason for why they were playing that particular mmo over others and why they would or would not play an upcoming release. 

 

Although it's possible I only talk to nerds in mmos and that would actually explain a lot. 

 

Now console players are a whole nother story and I would 100% agree there.

I never said ppl didn't know about other mmos or that they didn't have opinions. I said they don't piss and moan about them on forums and little things like what's in a CE pre sale isn't what makes them decide to play a game or not.

Things like the type of content, classes, type of pvp etc are all huge factors in them buying a game. Your avg person looks for a game to play not for things to bitch about on a forum. The people going all chicken little about this where not looking for a game to play, they were looking for an excuse not to.

  neum

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1/30/14 12:16:36 AM#23
What backlash?  Oh the same crap from the trolls that smear every game.  If someone thinks the game sucks then just shut up and do not play it.

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  funyahns

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1/30/14 12:18:03 AM#24
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by funyahns
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by DamonVile

When it comes to games your avg gamers don't rally behind a cause, doesn't argue about payment models, don't rage about development directions....or anything else you see go on, on forums.

They buy a game, play it till they get bored and then buy something else.

+1.  If anything I feel sad and embarrased for the adults who are buttsore over this.  Children get a pass on getting upset.

IMO, any press is good press as it gets people to hear about the game.

 Yes because calling people buttsore is a way to show how adult and mature you are.  I suppose though children getting a pass is fair enough to explain it away.   I don't think most people honestly care about this game enough either way.  The problem is that other gamers jumping up to throw good money after bad effects all of us.

 I think a lot you are underestimating the knowledge base of people outside of forums.  Pretending that you know more about them and acting as if they cannot process the information and come out to the same conclusions is pretty insulting to them.  Anyone who is going to agree to buy a game and then subscribe to is going to do a little homework on the subject. Not just randomly throw money away at it.

 

Buttsore is just meaning upset.  If I wrote upset, you might say I was insulting. If I used yet another term, you might make another claim.  Deal with it.

  Its not insulting its just sophomoric  phrase to use when talking about maturity levels.  In this case bad press is not good though unless they are planning to come out later and say they have listened to feedback and will address the issue.  Which is possibility sense there seems to be a lot of dislike for what they are doing with this.   Its difficult to justify when one of your leads has mocked f2p and pay gates.

  Prod1702

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1/30/14 12:34:53 AM#25
the way they are doing the CE goes to show how much a money grab this game is going to be. They want to charge $79 for you be able to play a race that should be part of the game no matter what. Then they want to charge you $15 a month to be able to keep playing the game after 30 days. I am sure I will be called a troll for this, but man am I happy I am not buying this game. I could care less that the NDA is still up but for people that haven't played the beta yet and have yet to buy the game, do yourself a favor and wait to buy it. So far the beta blows big time. 
  artemisentr4

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1/30/14 1:24:20 AM#26
Originally posted by Prod1702
the way they are doing the CE goes to show how much a money grab this game is going to be. They want to charge $79 for you be able to play a race that should be part of the game no matter what. Then they want to charge you $15 a month to be able to keep playing the game after 30 days. I am sure I will be called a troll for this, but man am I happy I am not buying this game. I could care less that the NDA is still up but for people that haven't played the beta yet and have yet to buy the game, do yourself a favor and wait to buy it. So far the beta blows big time. 

Could just be the player that blows, but I wouldn't know.

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  karmath

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1/30/14 1:34:32 AM#27
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by markrain5
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Thinking that sentiments on this forum, positive or negative, are in any way representative of general public opinion would be a mistake.  Backlash here does not necessarily indicate any kind of "substantial" backlash.

I've seen backlash everywhere and I go on a ton of different ESO sites and forums...

Replace "this forum" with "forums," and I still stand by the point.  In the context of the millions of people who might buy this game, the ones hanging out on the internet talking about it two months before hand aren't even a drop in the bucket.

+1

-1. You should know better.

  CazNeerg

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1/30/14 3:44:38 AM#28
Originally posted by karmath

-1. You should know better.

So you think internet forums are a representative sample of the gaming public?

Every time I see the word "backlash" in the context of this "issue," I remember the episode of Frasier where his fan club stages a public protest over his being fired.  There were three of them, and they were all nuts.

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  DrSmaSh

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1/30/14 4:47:09 AM#29

Will it hurt them? Depends on what their goal is. If their goal is to just cash grab as much as possible, than this is the only way.

But I would not disregard us so easily. Us, the vocal minority. Gone are the days of old school marketing, where customers are lonely islands in the sea of market. Where they have no contact with each other and the seller's word is the only word they hear.

That's behind us, in some areas more than others. Today's customer is smarter, they have access to internet and with that they are exposed to many opinions. Us, the vocal minority, are actually trend setters, some more than others. Us, who speak up, help in shaping up general opinions.

Companies can no longer get away with things so easily. There are sits, blogs and VODs dedicated to helping consumer do the right thing. They are dedicated to protecting the consumer and forcing companies to do their very best. Places like Rock, Paper, Shotgun or TotalBiscuit for instance - I'll take their word over companies PR every day of the week. Why? Because there is no conflict of interest. RPS or TB will not get any richer if we buy ESO or not, but ESO's marketing department will.

Word of mouth, that's the strongest marketing. If you build and maintain good public image, you'll have easier time achieving your goals. And Zenimax is not doing itself any favours right now. And people are right when they say it all smells fishy.

They are asking a lot of money for a product we can't even see yet and more importantly, they are going against their own words. So will it hurt em? The way this is going, I still think this is the only way for them to make most money out of ESO. They are not trying to improve their public image, they are not trying to build relationship with dedicated gaming community. Those things would indicate that they have long term plans for the game. But their current actions are telling a different story, one that has become the norm in MMOs and gaming in general.

Grab as much money as you can and run for the hills.

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  Vonatar

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1/30/14 4:59:14 AM#30
The cost of anything unaffordable is unfair in the eyes of the person who can't afford it.
  dumpcat

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1/30/14 8:14:54 AM#31

Originally posted by Vonatar
"The cost of anything unaffordable is unfair in the eyes of the person who can't afford it."

 

 

And they feel as if an injustice has been dealt to them....Gotta love the entitlement generation.

  Pigozz

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1/30/14 8:22:24 AM#32

It has hurt Mass Effect3, it killed THQ publisher

 

It will definately hurt ESO

Too bad .. just as the game started to look promising..

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  Brabbit1987

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1/30/14 8:27:33 AM#33
Originally posted by Pigozz

It has hurt Mass Effect3, it killed THQ publisher

 

It will definately hurt ESO

Too bad .. just as the game started to look promising..

Ah .. I knew this situation seemed familiar! XD Mass effect 3 did this crap too. I remember it getting tons of backlash.

Hmmm ... you would think other companies would learn by now. Either that or maybe they did learn. They learned people will still buy it anyway.

  killion81

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1/30/14 8:32:09 AM#34
Originally posted by Prod1702
the way they are doing the CE goes to show how much a money grab this game is going to be. They want to charge $79 for you be able to play a race that should be part of the game no matter what. Then they want to charge you $15 a month to be able to keep playing the game after 30 days. I am sure I will be called a troll for this, but man am I happy I am not buying this game. I could care less that the NDA is still up but for people that haven't played the beta yet and have yet to buy the game, do yourself a favor and wait to buy it. So far the beta blows big time. 

 

I also wish there was a +1 button on these forums.  I agree that it is incredibly obvious that this is a huge money grab, particularly because this is all being released before the NDA is even lifted.  Potential buyers don't even have the proper avenues available to educate themselves on what they are purchasing.

  Nephelai

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1/30/14 8:34:06 AM#35
Originally posted by Margulis

 is whether or not that choice, in your mind, is worth the backlash and hate that the game is receiving as a result? 

What backlash? The people chucking a hissy fit on MMORPG won't even amount to 0.01% of the game population. I'd bet there's an order of magnitudes more people that have already bought the CE edition than those whining on these forums.

  killion81

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1/30/14 8:36:24 AM#36
Originally posted by dumpcat

Originally posted by Vonatar
"The cost of anything unaffordable is unfair in the eyes of the person who can't afford it."

 

 

And they feel as if an injustice has been dealt to them....Gotta love the entitlement generation.

 

And it's a false argument.  Basically the straw man logical fallacy.

 

Most of the people that I see calling this out as a money grab are people that have purchased more expensive CEs in the past.  Many of them are also supporters of the subscription model.

 

There is a very large difference between not being able to afford something and feeling like something is designed to take advantage of the consumer.

  Iselin

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1/30/14 8:39:01 AM#37
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by dumpcat

Originally posted by Vonatar
"The cost of anything unaffordable is unfair in the eyes of the person who can't afford it."

 

 

And they feel as if an injustice has been dealt to them....Gotta love the entitlement generation.

 

And it's a false argument.  Basically the straw man logical fallacy.

 

Most of the people that I see calling this out as a money grab are people that have purchased more expensive CEs in the past.  Many of them are also supporters of the subscription model.

 

There is a very large difference between not being able to afford something and feeling like something is designed to take advantage of the consumer.

Take advantage of who? Both people who have been wanting to play as an Imperial all along?

  Shaigh

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1/30/14 8:44:40 AM#38
Originally posted by Pigozz

It has hurt Mass Effect3, it killed THQ publisher

 

It will definately hurt ESO

Too bad .. just as the game started to look promising..

Let's not forget Dead Space 3 with their ingame microtransactions and the secret world with their P2P+costume shop. It wasn't just the backlash that caused them to flop, but it played a part in the weak sales.

  killion81

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1/30/14 8:46:35 AM#39
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by dumpcat

Originally posted by Vonatar
"The cost of anything unaffordable is unfair in the eyes of the person who can't afford it."

 

 

And they feel as if an injustice has been dealt to them....Gotta love the entitlement generation.

 

And it's a false argument.  Basically the straw man logical fallacy.

 

Most of the people that I see calling this out as a money grab are people that have purchased more expensive CEs in the past.  Many of them are also supporters of the subscription model.

 

There is a very large difference between not being able to afford something and feeling like something is designed to take advantage of the consumer.

 

Haha take advantage of its consumers oh man too funny!  How does a video game take advantage of their consumer?  You have a choice you buy it or you don't.  

 

I bet most of you already had your eso release complaint form filled out months ago.  All you had to do was insert whatever they were added to CE version.  

 

The monetization methods of any product or service can be designed in a way to take advantage of the consumer.  There are entire consumer advocacy groups designed to prevent this type of behavior and without them, things would be a lot worse for everyone.  Why?  Because a ton of people take the same stance that you are.

 

You are welcome to laugh about it all you want.  However, laughing at something does not change it's validity.

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1/30/14 8:55:17 AM#40
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by dumpcat

Originally posted by Vonatar
"The cost of anything unaffordable is unfair in the eyes of the person who can't afford it."

 

 

And they feel as if an injustice has been dealt to them....Gotta love the entitlement generation.

 

And it's a false argument.  Basically the straw man logical fallacy.

 

Most of the people that I see calling this out as a money grab are people that have purchased more expensive CEs in the past.  Many of them are also supporters of the subscription model.

 

There is a very large difference between not being able to afford something and feeling like something is designed to take advantage of the consumer.

 

Haha take advantage of its consumers oh man too funny!  How does a video game take advantage of their consumer?  You have a choice you buy it or you don't.  

 

I bet most of you already had your eso release complaint form filled out months ago.  All you had to do was insert whatever they were added to CE version.  

 

The monetization methods of any product or service can be designed in a way to take advantage of the consumer.  There are entire consumer advocacy groups designed to prevent this type of behavior and without them, things would be a lot worse for everyone.  Why?  Because a ton of people take the same stance that you are.

 

You are welcome to laugh about it all you want.  However, laughing at something does not change it's validity.

All sales are designed to take advantage of the consumer. It's a question of degrees.

I still struggle to see how Zenimax are taking advantage of the consumer to a degree warranting complaint. They are exercising typical supply and demand principles in my view, by selling something people want to buy in order to realise an early return on investment.

Prior to pre-order we all presumed that (a) Imperial is not a playable race, and (b) races are faction locked. Now we discover that neither restriction is absolute, if you are prepared to pre-order and/or buy the Imperial Edition.

Does it make a difference to the consumer that some people will be Imperials, or that some people will play as Khajiit in the Daggerfall Covenant? I can't see how, other than coveting what someone else has.

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