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  jgankum

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1/29/14 5:39:48 PM#21


Originally posted by Yamota
The whole point of getting a sub. based game is that everyone pays the same fee and get the same starting conditions.

Not at all. I don't pay a subscription for "fairness". I pay the sub for professionally developed content. Most of the free MMOs I have played get stale after a few days.

  CazNeerg

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1/29/14 5:40:00 PM#22
Originally posted by Gilllean

I agree and this was a bad move from Zenimax I don't know who they hired as a marketing leading but he is a idiot .

First Game always was looking bad. 90 % of beta testers bashed the game.  In official gameplay game was looking horrible. Witch started the holy war if ESO will fail or not . 

Now they started Pre order   game is under NDA  most of people don't know anything about the game.

PACK and pre order give a clear  thought that game will have a cash shop.

With race Treasure map.  I'm rely disappointed.

I'm not ready to give 54 Euro or  75$$  if you're from EU for something I never seen Oh wait I've seen a cinematic and a few game plays COOL take my money ZENIMAX are you retarded

90% of people who are willing to violate the NDA bashing the game =/= 90% of all those who actually played bashing the game.

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  Hermod

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1/29/14 5:43:30 PM#23
Originally posted by jgankum

 I don't pay a subscription for "fairness". I pay the sub for professionally developed content.

This

  Calven

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1/29/14 5:45:04 PM#24

At first I was mostly surprised by how these pre-order bonuses effectively cast aside the lore they build the game upon. But what I'm most surprised about is how people willingly throw money at developers for extra items they should be entitled to when they bought the game. I'm actually quite stunned by people who defend this development of buying content that should be in the game box. Why do you want to pay more.. for something you should be owning already? Why? Why on earth would you want to lose money that way? You should say "I will buy the game and be able to play everything in it, because that is what I've paid for. I will not accept that the developers restrict parts of the game I've already purchased and demand that I pay additional fees to unlock these features"

Why do you pay extra money for something you should be having in the standard box?

CE should offer real lige, tangible items that only they can have. I don't mind them getting fluff items as long as everyone else who also paid for the game can buy them in-game, for in-game currencies, at high prices. That way they remain rare and exclusive. But races are NOT vanity nor fluff items. In a game such as Elder Scrolls races are undoubtedly an important part of the lore. Everything involves the differences and conflicts between races. By excluding everyone else from a race, even though they paid for the game, ESO can no longer claim to be a subscription based game. It is, instead, a subscription game with limited content which can be unlocked by paying more money.

 

I'm still baffled by the people who seemingly cannot fathom how they are entitled to the game and all its content upon purchasing it. Can anyone tell me why you'd want to pay more when you should be getting it with the standard edition?

  Jyiiga

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1/29/14 5:47:15 PM#25

Um no, you're wrong. There are plenty of other sub games with exclusive perks for CE editions.

Liberated Borg anyone?

  Volgore

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1/29/14 5:47:24 PM#26

Give the people a game that is actually worth their time, has some depth, exploring and is a real adventure and everyone will gladly pay for it.

Unfortunately, the industry does not get this and ten years after WoW the investors still think that they can catch a slice with another clone.

I guess its not that people want F2P in first place, its mostly that they dont want to pay for the crap that gets released.

  Margulis

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Posts: 1643

1/29/14 5:51:20 PM#27
I don't really care about the mount or the ring, it's the Imperial race thing that I think is ridiculous.
  PsychoticHamster

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Joined: 12/01/12
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1/29/14 5:51:24 PM#28
Originally posted by Raoul9753

The mount is not faster. You only get it for free.  "Explore Tamriel faster" is saying that you can move faster on a horse and you have it from the very beginning.

 

The race isnt even that big of a deal, since the racial skills are not that impressive.

 

Bonus experience if you play with a friend. That will become common work when the "get a friend to play the game"gets on.

 

You guys are seriously overreactiong about a trivial thing.

 

 

Really? You count races as trivial? What if Trion had charged you extra to play an elf? Blizzard a human? Its not very trivial message to send if we acquiesce and buy this shit. Who knows what they'll charge you for in the future then? If we tell gaming companies its okay to charge us extra for the basest of guaranteed content what do you think will be monetized next? This is just greed in its purest form.

  jgankum

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1/29/14 5:53:20 PM#29


Originally posted by Calven
At first I was mostly surprised by how these pre-order bonuses effectively cast aside the lore they build the game upon. But what I'm most surprised about is how people willingly throw money at developers for extra items they should be entitled to when they bought the game. I'm actually quite stunned by people who defend this development of buying content that should be in the game box. Why do you want to pay more.. for something you should be owning already? Why? Why on earth would you want to lose money that way? You should say "I will buy the game and be able to play everything in it, because that is what I've paid for. I will not accept that the developers restrict parts of the game I've already purchased and demand that I pay additional fees to unlock these features"

Why do you pay extra money for something you should be having in the standard box?

CE should offer real lige, tangible items that only they can have. I don't mind them getting fluff items as long as everyone else who also paid for the game can buy them in-game, for in-game currencies, at high prices. That way they remain rare and exclusive. But races are NOT vanity nor fluff items. In a game such as Elder Scrolls races are undoubtedly an important part of the lore. Everything involves the differences and conflicts between races. By excluding everyone else from a race, even though they paid for the game, ESO can no longer claim to be a subscription based game. It is, instead, a subscription game with limited content which can be unlocked by paying more money.

 

I'm still baffled by the people who seemingly cannot fathom how they are entitled to the game and all its content upon purchasing it. Can anyone tell me why you'd want to pay more when you should be getting it with the standard edition?


I'm kind of baffled as to why you think your "entitled" to something you are not willing to pay for. There are two editions of the game. You are only "entitled" to what each edition list as content.

If you bought a base model car, do you truly believe your entitled to all of the premium features just because they exist?

  rygard49

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1/29/14 5:56:23 PM#30
Originally posted by Calven

At first I was mostly surprised by how these pre-order bonuses effectively cast aside the lore they build the game upon. But what I'm most surprised about is how people willingly throw money at developers for extra items they should be entitled to when they bought the game. I'm actually quite stunned by people who defend this development of buying content that should be in the game box. Why do you want to pay more.. for something you should be owning already? Why? Why on earth would you want to lose money that way? You should say "I will buy the game and be able to play everything in it, because that is what I've paid for. I will not accept that the developers restrict parts of the game I've already purchased and demand that I pay additional fees to unlock these features"

Why do you pay extra money for something you should be having in the standard box?

CE should offer real lige, tangible items that only they can have. I don't mind them getting fluff items as long as everyone else who also paid for the game can buy them in-game, for in-game currencies, at high prices. That way they remain rare and exclusive. But races are NOT vanity nor fluff items. In a game such as Elder Scrolls races are undoubtedly an important part of the lore. Everything involves the differences and conflicts between races. By excluding everyone else from a race, even though they paid for the game, ESO can no longer claim to be a subscription based game. It is, instead, a subscription game with limited content which can be unlocked by paying more money.

 

I'm still baffled by the people who seemingly cannot fathom how they are entitled to the game and all its content upon purchasing it. Can anyone tell me why you'd want to pay more when you should be getting it with the standard edition?

You're entitled to exactly what the developer tells you that you're paying for, and no more. If $60 buys me a basic bicycle with a bell, but $80 buys my friend that same bike with a horn and some sweet handlebar tassels, I'm not entitled to raise hell with the company that I didn't receive a horn and tassels with my lesser purchase.

The same applies here. They spent development time above and beyond the scope of the regular game to make the imperial race. Part of the extra cost of the CE includes that invested time. They feel that they want to be compensated for that effort, and you're not entitled to that content unless you pay them what they think it's worth.

  DamonVile

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1/29/14 6:01:38 PM#31

I don't know why people are flipping out about the CE but seem fine with a cash shop in a sub game. That's really the death blow to any p2p = better argument.

They've been giving mounts away in CE boxes for years. The race is a low blow but will really only hurt the lore nuts. This company is obviously fine with pushing as far as they can go with all of this. Thing is...someone has to go too far one day, is it going to be them ?

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  Gilllean

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Joined: 1/04/14
Posts: 188

1/29/14 6:03:27 PM#32

Funny i signed to beta 10 accounts but none was invited BUT on all I recived Pre order info.

GJ Zenimax NDA the game and sell pre order hmm  you fell it ? I fell smell of scum and obt but hurt

  spizz

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Joined: 7/11/04
Posts: 2585

1/29/14 6:06:00 PM#33
Originally posted by Calven

At first I was mostly surprised by how these pre-order bonuses effectively cast aside the lore they build the game upon. But what I'm most surprised about is how people willingly throw money at developers for extra items they should be entitled to when they bought the game. I'm actually quite stunned by people who defend this development of buying content that should be in the game box. Why do you want to pay more.. for something you should be owning already? Why? Why on earth would you want to lose money that way? You should say "I will buy the game and be able to play everything in it, because that is what I've paid for. I will not accept that the developers restrict parts of the game I've already purchased and demand that I pay additional fees to unlock these features"

Why do you pay extra money for something you should be having in the standard box?

CE should offer real lige, tangible items that only they can have. I don't mind them getting fluff items as long as everyone else who also paid for the game can buy them in-game, for in-game currencies, at high prices. That way they remain rare and exclusive. But races are NOT vanity nor fluff items. In a game such as Elder Scrolls races are undoubtedly an important part of the lore. Everything involves the differences and conflicts between races. By excluding everyone else from a race, even though they paid for the game, ESO can no longer claim to be a subscription based game. It is, instead, a subscription game with limited content which can be unlocked by paying more money.

 

I'm still baffled by the people who seemingly cannot fathom how they are entitled to the game and all its content upon purchasing it. Can anyone tell me why you'd want to pay more when you should be getting it with the standard edition?

 

This is exactly my thought about the lore. If you did read about ESO and factions there is so much written about dominant races and factions.  Ingame the world lives from diversity of regions and culture, all depandant which faction you join and where your adventure start.

Why suddenly such a harsh change in the form of  "hey lets mix all races up and factions have nothing to do anymore with culture/region and dominant races" ??


 

Originally posted by Cougan
Originally posted by Entinerint
Originally posted by spizz
Originally posted by Rusque

In the last two decades I've seen many CE's of various games, ordered quite a few of them myself. Most often paying a bit much for what was received, sometimes feeling let down after opening them up. This is really a very well put together CE and I hope that the Imperial race is permanently exclusive to CE players (it likely won't be, but that's okay I wasn't expecting something this good anyway).

Retail Box Imperial CE for me

Digital Imperial CE for wife

 

I'm a happy camper, I'm sure others are as well.

 

* Explorers Pack

PLAY ANY RACE
IN ANY ALLIANCE

This is actually what I dont like that much, races should be bound to certain alliances. Whats the point to have races and alliances when suddenly everyone who has pre-purchased can jump around.

 

 

 

By the way.....

Starting April 4th, 2014 all customers who pre-purchased the Digital Standard Edition can upgrade to the Digital Imperial Edition

Why the eff should races be bound to alliances?  That would make ZERO sense for TES.  ESO =/= DAOC

 

To be fair it is called Alliance Vs Alliance not race vs race or elves vs nords lol so I agree

 

You are fighting for your countries of your faction, maybe some stray imperials and other races settled there before the war even began. Im sure they wouldnt all be imprisoned or executed.

 

 

 

 

Each faction is dominated by a certain culture and races ingame and this reflects also the lore and aswell the look of such areas. Whats the point when suddenly more decide to play a nord race but join a faction in the "pacific region", this doesnt fit.

 

The dominant race of the Ebonheart Pact was the Nord. The Dunmer and, eventually, the Argonian joined forces along with the Nords to survive the Second Akaviri Invasion. The leader of the faction was High King Jorunn. He, however, did not have all the power over the provinces, as a Great Moot was summoned, a council of all the allied races, whom he had to hear out.[10]

 

The dominant race of the Daggerfall Covenant was the Breton. With the help of their merchant' skillful diplomacy, the Daggerfall Covenant manages to ally with the races of Redguard and Orsimer. The faction was led by the merchant High King Emeric.[9]

 

The faction's dominant race was the Altmer, who ensured that the races of Bosmer and Khajiit would join their cause. The Aldmeri Dominion was led by the young Altmer Queen Ayrenn.[8]

 

They all change this suddenly because they want to make some cash with pre-orders ? WTF

  atuerstar

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1/29/14 6:12:22 PM#34

I was going to say something about rewarding financial elitism with a good old white power race to lord over the peasants but - I was already not buying into this terrible money grab. To me this is just another nail in a coffin that was already welded shut.

  Miblet

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1/29/14 6:13:57 PM#35
Originally posted by rygard49

The same applies here. They spent development time above and beyond the scope of the regular game to make the imperial race. Part of the extra cost of the CE includes that invested time. They feel that they want to be compensated for that effort, and you're not entitled to that content unless you pay them what they think it's worth.

That's the thing though, the game is still in development.  Still has 2 months left (well a bit under but not far off).  There is nothing to suggest this wasn't in the scope of their development <snip! damn NDA>.

This is Day 1 on disk DLC, it was produced within the budget of the original product and is being sold as it is because selling a £50 game with a £20 CE bonus upgrade gets more apathy than a £70 game.

You are however spot on and it is Zenimax's right to charge whatever the hell it wants.  It's up to consumers to choose if they support the actions of the companies, and I have no doubt this will get a huge thumbs up.

  d_20

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1/29/14 6:20:58 PM#36

To me, an Elder Scrolls game is about freedom, so any race/faction combination should be in it from the beginning.

 

Pets in an ES game are lame. Okay, a dog or a wolf, maybe.

 

Seriously, that is cash-shop-type garbage.  It does kind of go against what Zeni were saying about their reasons for this being a sub-based game.

 

People will say, yeah, "they have to eat." But if they actually make a good game that people  want to play, and if the sub-based game is actually viable in today's market, they will make money. They don't need to trash up the game with tacky items. I'm not saying this is what's happening. But it is a slippery slope and we've all seen it happen before.

  psiic

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1/29/14 6:24:07 PM#37
Pfft whatever our whole guild just bought the game. 
  spizz

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1/29/14 6:24:58 PM#38
Originally posted by d_20

To me, an Elder Scrolls game is about freedom, so any race/faction combination should be in it from the beginning.

 

Pets in an ES game are lame. Okay, a dog or a wolf, maybe.

 

Seriously, that is cash-shop-type garbage.  It does kind of go against what Zeni were saying about their reasons for this being a sub-based game.

 

People will say, yeah, "they have to eat." But if they actually make a good game that people  want to play, and if the sub-based game is actually viable in today's market, they will make money. They don't need to trash up the game with tacky items. I'm not saying this is what's happening. But it is a slippery slope and we've all seen it happen before.

What do you think about the Lore and description of Factions about ESO in their wiki ? Because the dominance of certain races combined in factions is written here and not just a mix up. Are people defining EOS suddenly by themselves hehe

 

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Factions_%28Online%29

 

  Kuinn

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1/29/14 6:35:48 PM#39
People are looking at it from the wrong angle, it's the cash shop invading every style of games. I was shocked when I learned that Dead Space 3 had cash shop in it, thank god nothing in the shop was neccessary for a proper gameplay experience but still it was crazy a game like that had cash shop. Wont be long until 9 out of 10 games has cash shop regardless what style or payment method games they are.
  temporary_user

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1/29/14 6:35:51 PM#40
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

Any race/faction doesn't cost you any extra you just have to buy any version of the game

Any pre-order version.

 

That costs you no extra money at all

So explain to me how if I buy this game a month down the line (for obvious reasons like making sure the game actually has substance *cough*NDA hiding a lot of info* and me not being able to set down a 60$ investment. How will I, dear sir, be able to play with friends in another race or get the Imperial faction?

 

You'll have to purchase the Explorer's Pack from the cash shop.  Pre-orders include the Explorer's Pack for free.  Yes, it's complete BS.  Unfortunately it's not going to stop the sheeple from flocking.  Welcome to the future of shady MMORPG business practice.

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