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  Yamota

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Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

 
OP  1/29/14 5:43:07 PM#1

The whole point of getting a sub. based game is that everyone pays the same fee and get the same starting conditions. But lo and behold, collectors edition not only gives you bonus experience, a faster mount and a completely new race?

This is so wrong on atleast two ways. First, obviously, the fact that if you buy a collectors edition you will get significant exclusive content but also sets a precedence for the inevitable cash shop. Do you really think that if they offered this race in the collectors edition, they aren't going to offer the same or similar in the cash shop? Effectively turning this game to your typical F2P game, except it is not F2P. It is box+SUB and now also exclusive content which you need to pay for on top of the montly sub.

So true subscription based games, as we know it, are dead. RIP.

Either accept this cash shop plus P2P nonsense or move on from the MMO genre. Looking more and more to do the latter. Sad to see such a promising genre which started with UO (for me atleast) get turned into this.

  someforumguy

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1/29/14 5:44:18 PM#2
Yeah, so far this game seems to be like any F2P or B2P game *(cash shop, exclusives) with a sub on top of it.
  Raoul9753

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1/29/14 5:46:27 PM#3

The mount is not faster. You only get it for free.  "Explore Tamriel faster" is saying that you can move faster on a horse and you have it from the very beginning.

 

The race isnt even that big of a deal, since the racial skills are not that impressive.

 

Bonus experience if you play with a friend. That will become common work when the "get a friend to play the game"gets on.

 

You guys are seriously overreactiong about a trivial thing.

 

 

  Sandio

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1/29/14 5:47:13 PM#4

How many topics do you want to create?

Lets see whats going on at the end..

 

edit: +1 to Raoul

  muffins89

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1/29/14 5:50:15 PM#5
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

I think the prostitute mod corrupted your game files man. -elhefen

  Yamota

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Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

 
OP  1/29/14 5:53:03 PM#6
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

  GeezerGamer

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1/29/14 5:55:32 PM#7
Originally posted by Yamota

The whole point of getting a sub. based game is that everyone pays the same fee and get the same starting conditions. But lo and behold, collectors edition not only gives you bonus experience, a faster mount and a completely new race?

This is so wrong on atleast two ways. First, obviously, the fact that if you buy a collectors edition you will get significant exclusive content but also sets a precedence for the inevitable cash shop. Do you really think that if they offered this race in the collectors edition, they aren't going to offer the same or similar in the cash shop? Effectively turning this game to your typical F2P game, except it is not F2P. It is box+SUB and now also exclusive content which you need to pay for on top of the montly sub.

So true subscription based games, as we know it, are dead. RIP.

Either accept this cash shop plus P2P nonsense or move on from the MMO genre. Looking more and more to do the latter. Sad to see such a promising genre which started with UO (for me atleast) get turned into this.

The closest game to your definition would probably be FF14. It seems to be doing quite well. The next would probably be WoW. IT's still doing quite well.

But there aren't many.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  deakon

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1/29/14 5:59:18 PM#8
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

This

 

The only "bad" or "unusual" thing here is having the race exclusive to CE owners, but tbh I expect them to open that up to the rest of us eventually, it will either be a prestige class rewarded for completing the 50+ and the 50++ content, or (and I hope they dont go this route) a small micro-transaction (they did say services like race/name change)

  deakon

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1/29/14 6:00:43 PM#9
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

Any race/faction doesn't cost you any extra you just have to buy any version of the game

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6704

Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

 
OP  1/29/14 6:02:44 PM#10
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

Any race/faction doesn't cost you any extra you just have to buy any version of the game

Any pre-order version.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

1/29/14 6:09:31 PM#11

Like SWTOR and how they had the VIP area with exclusive armor and weapons and the like?

I mean honestly this isn't new.  And it surely isn't killing sub games.

FFXIV doesn't sell exp boosts, nor does FFXI.  Let's see, wow is offering the ability to buy a level 90... so I mean the slippery slope sure is getting slippery there.

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/29/14 6:12:58 PM#12
Why does it matter what the revenue model is, as long as you have fun when you play the game?

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  deakon

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1/29/14 6:13:58 PM#13
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

Any race/faction doesn't cost you any extra you just have to buy any version of the game

Any pre-order version.

 

That costs you no extra money at all

  rockin_ufo

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Posts: 377

Zoraï

1/29/14 6:16:21 PM#14
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

Any race/faction doesn't cost you any extra you just have to buy any version of the game

Any pre-order version.

 

That costs you no extra money at all

So explain to me how if I buy this game a month down the line (for obvious reasons like making sure the game actually has substance *cough*NDA hiding a lot of info* and me not being able to set down a 60$ investment. How will I, dear sir, be able to play with friends in another race or get the Imperial faction?

Whenever i step outside, somebody claims to see the light
It seems to me that all of us have lost our patience.
'cause everyone thinks they're right,
And nobody thinks that there just might
Be more than one road to our final destination--

  Torvaldr

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1/29/14 6:17:15 PM#15
Originally posted by Laughing-man

Like SWTOR and how they had the VIP area with exclusive armor and weapons and the like?

I mean honestly this isn't new.  And it surely isn't killing sub games.

FFXIV doesn't sell exp boosts, nor does FFXI.  Let's see, wow is offering the ability to buy a level 90... so I mean the slippery slope sure is getting slippery there.

The difference here is that Firor explicitly stated that they chose P2P because they didn't think pay-gates and cash shop "nickel and dime" methods were a good fit for the game, as opposed to B2P or some other sub-free option. He also said no cash shop or mtx, but they're doing mtx and and will have a shop where they sill account services and "fun stuff" (whatever that is). If they would just be honest and up front about what they're doing I wouldn't care how they monetized.

It's not much different than TOR, except we see that TOR only became really successful after they dropped the box fee and made the sub optional. After that they became one of the most successful cash shops in the last year.

Curse you AquaScum!

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/29/14 6:23:03 PM#16
Originally posted by rockin_ufo

So explain to me how if I buy this game a month down the line (for obvious reasons like making sure the game actually has substance *cough*NDA hiding a lot of info* and me not being able to set down a 60$ investment. How will I, dear sir, be able to play with friends in another race or get the Imperial faction?

How many games can you think of where the collector's edition and/or pre-order bonuses stayed exclusive forever, rather than just for a period of time before an opportunity to buy them separately was introduced?  This likely isn't a case of getting exclusive content, it's a case of getting earlier access by showing earlier support.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  Mpfive

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Joined: 8/25/13
Posts: 297

1/29/14 6:26:02 PM#17
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by rockin_ufo

So explain to me how if I buy this game a month down the line (for obvious reasons like making sure the game actually has substance *cough*NDA hiding a lot of info* and me not being able to set down a 60$ investment. How will I, dear sir, be able to play with friends in another race or get the Imperial faction?

How many games can you think of where the collector's edition and/or pre-order bonuses stayed exclusive forever, rather than just for a period of time before an opportunity to buy them separately was introduced?  This likely isn't a case of getting exclusive content, it's a case of getting earlier access by showing earlier support.

Indeed, usually a little after launch you have the option to upgrade the standard to CE, they done it in SWTOR and rift:)

  rockin_ufo

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Zoraï

1/29/14 6:26:56 PM#18
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by rockin_ufo

So explain to me how if I buy this game a month down the line (for obvious reasons like making sure the game actually has substance *cough*NDA hiding a lot of info* and me not being able to set down a 60$ investment. How will I, dear sir, be able to play with friends in another race or get the Imperial faction?

How many games can you think of where the collector's edition and/or pre-order bonuses stayed exclusive forever, rather than just for a period of time before an opportunity to buy them separately was introduced?  This likely isn't a case of getting exclusive content, it's a case of getting earlier access by showing earlier support.

So I have to pay more to play a race. I love this F2P game...oh wait.

Whenever i step outside, somebody claims to see the light
It seems to me that all of us have lost our patience.
'cause everyone thinks they're right,
And nobody thinks that there just might
Be more than one road to our final destination--

  deakon

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1/29/14 6:27:22 PM#19
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

Any race/faction doesn't cost you any extra you just have to buy any version of the game

Any pre-order version.

 

That costs you no extra money at all

So explain to me how if I buy this game a month down the line (for obvious reasons like making sure the game actually has substance *cough*NDA hiding a lot of info* and me not being able to set down a 60$ investment. How will I, dear sir, be able to play with friends in another race or get the Imperial faction?

There is no imperial faction, there's an imperial race that you can only access by buying the CE, it states in the FAQ you can upgrade to the CE version at any time you want post launch and unlock all the digital CE items.

 

You can still play with friends you might be restricted on YOUR racial choice but there's no restriction on your faction choice.

 

What I think your trying to ask, is how will you be able to unlock races for every faction? Truth is I have no idea, but neither do you or the OP. For all we know completing a factions story line could open that faction's races (a bit like swtor does now with no charge) and completing both the 50+ and 50++ (the solo end game) content could open up ALL races including the imperials. That's as safe and accurate assumption as it being hidden behind a pay wall

 

 

  rygard49

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1/29/14 6:30:14 PM#20
Originally posted by rockin_ufo
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by deakon
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by muffins89
collectors editions have been giving exclusive digital content for a decade.

Like a whole new race and any race/faction combination possible? Yeah, I dont think so...

Any race/faction doesn't cost you any extra you just have to buy any version of the game

Any pre-order version.

 

That costs you no extra money at all

So explain to me how if I buy this game a month down the line (for obvious reasons like making sure the game actually has substance *cough*NDA hiding a lot of info* and me not being able to set down a 60$ investment. How will I, dear sir, be able to play with friends in another race or get the Imperial faction?

Play with friends in any faction by making a character of one of that factions races.

The Imperial race you shouldn't feel entitled to at all. As of now, the only people playing as an Imperial will be those who have invested more money than you were willing to. You may be able to unlock it later, but that's a chance you'll have to take in order to play it safe and wait to see how the game is.

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